2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

 

The difference is, there are those of us who want him to be McNair, and those of us who want him to be Tebow. Personally, I think the ones who want him to be Tebow, and who are actively rooting for it, are crap human beings. I don't get why they would actively root against the interests of their team, to the point where, on Sunday, when Hurts was playing poorly, one of them specifically called me out to gloat about his performance. Luckily Hurts turned it around, but I see that poster took no joy in that, because here he is again, crapping all over Hurts. And for what? So he can appear to be smarter than those of us who want Hurts to succeed? Not realizing that we want Hurts to succeed not because we think he is anything special, but because it would be a good outcome for our team.

 

So you'd prefer that Hurts be a long-tenured QB that never wins a SB instead of a player the franchise recognizes isn't good enough, replaces him, and then wins a SB?

Jeez..I thought I was negative.  

I think the crap human being is the one who apparently doesn't care if the Eagles win a SB.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So you'd prefer that Hurts be a long-tenured QB that never wins a SB instead of a player the franchise recognizes isn't good enough, replaces him, and then wins a SB?

Jeez..I thought I was negative.  

I think the crap human being is the one who apparently doesn't care if the Eagles win a SB.

Yeah, were all hoping Jalen Hurts is Trent Dilfer.

Dufus

2 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

Yeah, were all hoping Jalen Hurts is Trent Dilfer.

Dufus

A player in year 2 at the crossroads of a long-term commitment...the UPSIDE comparisons are a collection of QB's who ultimately were not good enough.  Sounds great, sign me up for that for the next 8 years.  

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

A player in year 2 at the crossroads of a long-term commitment...the UPSIDE comparisons are a collection of QB's who ultimately were not good enough.  Sounds great, sign me up for that for the next 8 years.  

Yeah that extra $200,000 hes going to make next year on his contract that expires in 2024 is really going to burden us.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

Steve McNair, in his first full season (three years into his career), had a completion rate of 52 percent, threw for 2,665 yards, with 14 TDs, 13 INTs, a 70.4 QB rating, 674 rushing yards with 8 TDs. Two years later his team was in the Super Bowl.

If we are going to compare Hurts to Tebow, we also have to compare him to McNair.

No one knows what Hurts is going to be. He may be Tebow or McNair.

The difference is, there are those of us who want him to be McNair, and those of us who want him to be Tebow. Personally, I think the ones who want him to be Tebow, and who are actively rooting for it, are crap human beings. I don't get why they would actively root against the interests of their team, to the point where, on Sunday, when Hurts was playing poorly, one of them specifically called me out to gloat about his performance. Luckily Hurts turned it around, but I see that poster took no joy in that, because here he is again, crapping all over Hurts. And for what? So he can appear to be smarter than those of us who want Hurts to succeed? Not realizing that we want Hurts to succeed not because we think he is anything special, but because it would be a good outcome for our team.

But I guess it is true what they say, some people just want to see the world burn.

So good luck on Sunday. Maybe Hurts will play bad enough for you to really let me have it. And then you can smugly sit by while this team misses the playoffs and desperately tries to sort out its qb situation in the offseason, along with 20 other crap teams, going to bed at night with the comfort of knowing that you knew Hurts was Tebow and not McNair, and that if only the team, and posters like myself, had listened to you, they would have been better off, because you are so much smarter.

Well, I don't know if Hurts is McNair or Tebow. I don't pretend to have that much football knowledge. And I think anyone who does is just throwing darts, and digging themselves into a position built on a mountain of ignorance. So win or lose Sunday, I will be fine. So do me a favor, and don't @ me again if Hurts plays bad. I don't need any more crap human beings in my life.

First, I would say that passing in the 90s is infinitely different than it is today, where the game caters to offense.

Secondly, I would never want Hurts to be Tebow. I have said a number of times that I hope he's the greatest Eagle, QB, etc to ever put on a jersey, but I dont see it. I have never actively rooted against him, nor would I, but I would prefer my QB to be able to, you know, throw the ball well.

Thirdly, I'm sorry you're so sensitive.

I know this is lost on you (and others), but openly criticizing the starting QB doesnt mean that myself or others want him to be bad. It becomes frustrating, because we know he is. In no universe would we sign up for mediocre QB play.

1 hour ago, BirdsFanBill said:

What I'm saying is Hurts is not Tim Tebow. If you think Hurts isn't good enough now and wont ever be, that's fine and a judgement call by you. But calling him Tim Tebow is just not accurate and a reach to defend your position. 

The statistical comparisons are silly. I've seen the same thing comparing him to McNabb and other good QBs in the past.

 

How about Trubisky with legs? 

Inconsistent passing like Trubisky, but can cover up his shortcomings with mobility. This is how I see hurts. He made the playoffs and pro bowl, but nobody wants him as their starter atm. This is how I see Hurts as a QB atm

4 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

How about Trubisky with legs? 

Inconsistent passing like Trubisky, but can cover up his shortcomings with mobility. This is how I see hurts. He made the playoffs and pro bowl, but nobody wants him as their starter atm. This is how I see Hurts as a QB atm

How about Jalen Hurts is Jalen Hurts. There's some weird obsession with trying to figure out what QB in nfl history every young QB is going to be.

I'd like to just see what he's going to be. 

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

How about Trubisky with legs? 

Inconsistent passing like Trubisky, but can cover up his shortcomings with mobility. This is how I see hurts. He made the playoffs and pro bowl, but nobody wants him as their starter atm. This is how I see Hurts as a QB atm

A better Trubisky... Yeah I guess I can sort of see that. I think he's got better accuracy than Trubisky and he's more dynamic than him too but yeah I can sort of see that. 

To me he's a QB you can win with but not necessarily because of.

1 minute ago, BirdsFanBill said:

How about Jalen Hurts is Jalen Hurts. There's some weird obsession with trying to figure out what QB in nfl history every young QB is going to be.

I'd like to just see what he's going to be. 

 

Inconsistent passing , but can cover up his shortcomings with mobility. This is how I see hurts. He made the playoffs and pro bowl, but not everybody wants him as their starter atm. This is how I see Hurts as a QB atm

 

To your liking now sir?

31 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

A better Trubisky... Yeah I guess I can sort of see that. I think he's got better accuracy than Trubisky and he's more dynamic than him too but yeah I can sort of see that. 

To me he's a QB you can win with but not necessarily because of.

Is he?

2nd year trubisky 24/12 3200 66% 

2nd year hurts 16/9 2900 58.6% 

Definitely agree you can win with. I'm also looking at the schedule and realize quite a few qbs could of been on this team and beat who we've faced the last few weeks. I am all for letting hurts start next year btw. I'm not a huge fan of this draft class. If he cleans it up, sign him long term and let's go. Same feeling bears fans had a few years ago. 

 

52 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Is he?

2nd year trubisky 24/12 3200 66% 

2nd year hurts 16/9 2900 58.6% 

Definitely agree you can win with. I'm also looking at the schedule and realize quite a few qbs could of been on this team and beat who we've faced the last few weeks. I am all for letting hurts start next year btw. I'm not a huge fan of this draft class. If he cleans it up, sign him long term and let's go. Same feeling bears fans had a few years ago. 

 

I think he is yes. Ok sure the stats don't back that up but I think a number of those incompletions have been drops and thrown away passes. But look Hurts isn't an accurate QB so I'm not trying to say he is. I do think he's better than Trubisky though. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he is yes. Ok sure the stats don't back that up but I think a number of those incompletions have been drops and thrown away passes. But look Hurts isn't an accurate QB so I'm not trying to say he is. I do think he's better than Trubisky though. 

A better player, absolutely. I say it all the time, he's a really good player with average to below average arm talent. 

19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he is yes. Ok sure the stats don't back that up but I think a number of those incompletions have been drops and thrown away passes. But look Hurts isn't an accurate QB so I'm not trying to say he is. I do think he's better than Trubisky though. 

The last 2 games the Eagles have struggled with drops. 8 if I remember right. Let's not act like it's happened all year and that's why his completion percentage sucks

23 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he is yes. Ok sure the stats don't back that up but I think a number of those incompletions have been drops and thrown away passes. But look Hurts isn't an accurate QB so I'm not trying to say he is. I do think he's better than Trubisky though. 

 

1 minute ago, Godfather said:

The last 2 games the Eagles have struggled with drops. 8 if I remember right. Let's not act like it's happened all year and that's why his completion percentage sucks

I just googled it, two sites confirm Eagles have 17 dropped passes this year, 1.0625 per game.

Just now, downundermike said:

 

I just googled it, two sites confirm Eagles have 17 dropped passes this year, 1.0625 per game.

How many the last 2 games? 

Just now, Godfather said:

How many the last 2 games? 

Still looking

53 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

I just googled it, two sites confirm Eagles have 17 dropped passes this year, 1.0625 per game.

It's a stupid logic anyways. So Mitch Trubisky has never had passes dropped and he never threw a ball away? 

So using his logic Trubisky would still have a higher percentage. Unless of course no one ever dropped a pass for him.....

If receivers didn't drop passes his completion percentage would be higher..... Thanks for that info captain obvious. So would every other QBs in the league so he would still be where he is lmao. 

8 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It's a stupid logic anyways. So Mitch Trubisky has never had passes dropped and he never threw a ball away? 

So using his logic Trubisky would still have a higher percentage. Unless of course no one ever dropped a pass for him.....

If receivers didn't drop passes his completion percentage would be higher..... Thanks for that info captain obvious. So would every other QBs in the league so he would still be where he is lmao. 

Yep.  People act like only the lowest percentage passers have a ton of drops.  Herbert is 10th in completion percentage, Chargers drop the most passes.  Carr 5th in completion percentage, Raiders are 4th in drops.

5 hours ago, eagle45 said:

A player in year 2 at the crossroads of a long-term commitment...the UPSIDE comparisons are a collection of QB's who ultimately were not good enough.  Sounds great, sign me up for that for the next 8 years.  

No way in hell should Hurts be getting an extension. He’ll earn himself another year with his play this year but he has t shown anything close to enough to be locked into a massive extension. Would need to take a big step forward next year for me to be onboard with that.

43 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

No way in hell should Hurts be getting an extension. He’ll earn himself another year with his play this year but he has t shown anything close to enough to be locked into a massive extension. Would need to take a big step forward next year for me to be onboard with that.

Eagles would be foolish to extend Hurts anytime soon. He’s gotta earn that! Why are people even discussing that right now? Personally I think the Eagles are going in a different direction with this quarterback thing. I feel like they believe it’s better to have comparable quarterbacks not necessarily in play styles, but in contracts which will allow them to create better rosters. I think they’re realizing that having a guy does nothing for the team if that guy isn’t next level elite. Also if that guy gets hurt/sick and so forth the season is basically over. I feel like they’re going to move more into a direction better roster talent over banking on one quarterback. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Eagles would be foolish to extend Hurts anytime soon. He’s gotta earn that! Why are people even discussing that right now? Personally I think the Eagles are going in a different direction with this quarterback thing. I feel like they believe it’s better to have comparable quarterbacks not necessarily in play styles, but in contracts which will allow them to create better rosters. I think they’re realizing that having a guy does nothing for the team if that guy isn’t next level elite. Also if that guy gets hurt/sick and so forth the season is basically over. I feel like they’re going to move more into a direction better roster talent over banking on one quarterback. 

The NFL as a whole has become weird for QB extensions. Any QB who gets extended by the team that drafted them gets in excess of $30m/year. That outrageous cost impacts the rest of the roster buy works when you have an elite or very good QBs such as Mahomes but not if it’s a middle of the road / slightly above average QB like Cousins. 

Until now, not many team have really been comfortable letting these middle of the road QBs walk but I think that will change around the NFL as more teams realise the bind these massive QB contracts teams under with the alternative of trying to hit on a guy on a rookie contract or a slightly below average but drastically cheaper QB a better alternative. Browns and Mayfield will be interesting to watch this year - they would be silly to commit to him with a massive contest so what sort of contract does he get? Wonder if that’s the trigger for the price point starting to drop on these sort of QBs.

6 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

The NFL as a whole has become weird for QB extensions. Any QB who gets extended by the team that drafted them gets in excess of $30m/year.

Best thing I can say about Hurts…there’s no way he’s sniffing 30m per year.  The best argument to keep him under center is as a salary cap hack so they can stack up the rest of the roster.  Basically, everyone knows he’s not good, but if we can just eek out replacement level play, then it’ll be a salary cap coup.

 

3 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

So using his logic Trubisky would still have a higher percentage. Unless of course no one ever dropped a pass for him.....

Not necessarily because that assumes that QBs throw the ball away at a similar rate. 

37 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

The NFL as a whole has become weird for QB extensions. Any QB who gets extended by the team that drafted them gets in excess of $30m/year. That outrageous cost impacts the rest of the roster buy works when you have an elite or very good QBs such as Mahomes but not if it’s a middle of the road / slightly above average QB like Cousins. 

Until now, not many team have really been comfortable letting these middle of the road QBs walk but I think that will change around the NFL as more teams realise the bind these massive QB contracts teams under with the alternative of trying to hit on a guy on a rookie contract or a slightly below average but drastically cheaper QB a better alternative. Browns and Mayfield will be interesting to watch this year - they would be silly to commit to him with a massive contest so what sort of contract does he get? Wonder if that’s the trigger for the price point starting to drop on these sort of QBs.

2022 Cousins is a 45mil dead cap hit. Is that dude really worth a quarter of next seasons cap? Dude has a career losing record, and took over a team that lost in the NFC Championship in 2017, and has basically done little to nothing with them. With that salary a team could probably bring in 4 quality players. Is Cousins worth more than that? I don’t think so. 

Given what I see teammates and coaches talk about his work-ethic and drive I expect him to focus the off season on:

1. Body mechanics to improve as a consistently accurate thrower of the football.

2. Processing progressions and making faster decisions.

Both of these are related because if you don't have confidence in #1 you hesitate and windows are lost.  IMO that is a good part of why he doesn't pull the trigger.

I give him this off season to focus on those areas and I expect a significant leap in performance for next season.  If that is NOT what happens then I am starting to think that what we are seeing close to his ceiling with significant variance play to play and game to game.  If he focuses on other areas I will be disappointed and feel like he is unable to see where his issues are and appropriately focus on addressing them.

Edit:  Wanted to add this. Disclaimer: I still hate the Cowboys.  Dak Prescott was not a great consistently accurate QB coming out of College.  At some point a few years ago he really started working on his body mechanics and hip usage / throwing motion.  It is very evident in his improvement.  You can still see him running some of the same drills when he is doing his on field warm-ups pregame. (there is a hip snapping drill that looks ridiculous but it is how you continue to build that muscle memory).