35 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Yep, since week 8 he has proven he is better than and you can win with him against

Jared Goff 

Teddy Bridgewater

Trevor Siemian

Garrett Gilbert

Mike Glennon / Jake Fromm

Taylor Heineicke

The one thing this Eagle's season proved is how bad the NFL as a product is right now. The eagles are better than the NFL bottom feeders, but I doubt they're much more than that. I hope I'm wrong. 

35 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Yep, since week 8 he has proven he is better than and you can win with him against

Jared Goff 

Teddy Bridgewater

Trevor Siemian

Garrett Gilbert

Mike Glennon / Jake Fromm

Taylor Heineicke

Yeah so he's better than those guys. Right now he's better than Lawrence, Fields and Wilson. He's better than Lance. He's better than Jones... He's better than the Houston starter. He's better than at least 10 starters in the NFL. 

13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah so he's better than those guys. Right now he's better than Lawrence, Fields and Wilson. He's better than Lance. He's better than Jones... He's better than the Houston starter. He's better than at least 10 starters in the NFL. 

Which speaks to how bad the league is right now. We could have said the same about Rodney Peete when he was the Eagles starter for a playoff game. 

15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah so he's better than those guys. Right now he's better than Lawrence, Fields and Wilson. He's better than Lance. He's better than Jones... He's better than the Houston starter. He's better than at least 10 starters in the NFL. 

He's a top 20 QB for sure, for the contract he has, it's a pretty good deal.

I doubt his ceiling and how much he can improve though.

23 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Which speaks to how bad the league is right now. We could have said the same about Rodney Peete when he was the Eagles starter for a playoff game. 

Yeah it does I don't dispute that. But as I've said Hurts has shown you can win and you can compete with him as your starter. Would you like better? Absolutely yes. 

21 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

He's a top 20 QB for sure, for the contract he has, it's a pretty good deal.

I doubt his ceiling and how much he can improve though.

I think he's right in the middle of the pack... But with his legs, his ability to make plays and that he's not a turnover machine I think you can win with him. For now I'll take that. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he's right in the middle of the pack... But with his legs, his ability to make plays and that he's not a turnover machine I think you can win with him. For now I'll take that. 

Yeah, I'm with you. I've made my desire to get one of the big 3 QBs evident, so I won't get into that. But if the choice comes down to Hurts or a 1st rd rookie, give me Hurts.

I like Pickett, but not enough to spend the draft capital required for him. Roll with Hurts for another year and then revisit the position in the 2023 off-season.

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

He's a top 20 QB for sure, for the contract he has, it's a pretty good deal.

I doubt his ceiling and how much he can improve though.

We need to start to move on from this line of thinking. He has made a big enough jump this year that no rational person should be confident in what his ceiling is.

The guy went from a run first QB that was benched at Alabama to arguable a top 15 QB in the NFL in about 3 years. That’s insane.

Oh and he’s clearly better than the kid he was benched for at Alabama.

I’m hoping the kid continues to push himself to tap every inch of what he has over the next 2 years or so and then we can make a judgment as to what his ceiling is.

5 minutes ago, Thrive said:

We need to start to move on from this line of thinking. He has made a big enough jump this year that no rational person should be confident in what his ceiling is.

The guy went from a run first QB that was benched at Alabama to arguable a top 15 QB in the NFL in about 3 years. That’s insane.

Oh and he’s clearly better than the kid he was benched for at Alabama.

I’m hoping the kid continues to push himself to tap every inch of what he has over the next 2 years or so and then we can make a judgment as to what his ceiling is.

I disagree, especially with the bolded.  He has not made a big jump at all, and the win streak was because of the level of competition, and taking the ball out of his hands.  We are the lowest percentage passing team in the NFL.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I disagree, especially with the bolded.  He has not made a big jump at all, and the win streak was because of the level of competition, and taking the ball out of his hands.  We are the lowest percentage passing team in the NFL.

He has factually made a large jump. You can’t disagree with facts unless your are a TATER. Whether the jump he made is sufficient to provide comfort as to the state of the QB situation is the more relevant inquiry.

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

He has factually made a large jump. You can’t disagree with facts unless your are a TATER.

What facts are those ??

Just now, downundermike said:

What facts are those ??

His completion percentage has increased in an amount akin to Mcnabb’s percentage increase from year 1 to year 2.

He had a similar completion percentage in year 1 that Josh Allen did and made a bigger jump in year 2. He also had more passing yards in year 2 than Josh Allen did. He also had more rushing yards as well.

I use Josh for obvious reasons.

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

His completion percentage has increased in an amount akin to Mcnabb’s percentage increase from year 1 to year 2.

He had a similar completion percentage in year 1 that Josh Allen did and made a bigger jump in year 2. He also had more passing yards in year 2 than Josh Allen did. He also had more rushing yards as well.

I use Josh for obvious reasons.

Wow, improved from 50%, impressive.  He also has a completion percentage of 45.7% on passes beyond 3 yards of the line of scrimmage.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Wow, improved from 50%, impressive.  He also has a completion percentage of 45.7% on passes beyond 3 yards of the line of scrimmage.

That’s exactly right - what we needed to see this year was improvement, not a plateau. We have seen that. Whether it’s 50% or 60%. The question is how much more can he gin up from his body?

The rest of this is just odd rhetoric from conflicted Eagles fans who somehow have conflated their feelings about a preferred style of play to the efficacy of the product that Jalen is putting on the field.

4 minutes ago, Thrive said:

The rest of this is just odd rhetoric from conflicted Eagles fans who somehow have conflated their feelings about a preferred style of play to the efficacy of the product that Jalen is putting on the field.

Not conflicted at all.  Passing QB's win titles, #facts.

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not conflicted at all.  Passing QB's win titles, #facts.

Indeed those are the facts. But it’s also facts that those QBs are extremely hard to find - we won one with a passing QB who basically had to turn into Neo to win it. The other guy we thought was a passing QB basically regressed after an injury that took away his mobility (oddly enough, he was known as a mobile QB then but that’s a point that nobody brings up any more).
 

The fact is that the QB we currently have is doing the best he can to put a winning product on the field in year 2 and has improved. What he will be is to be determined. 

26 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I disagree, especially with the bolded.  He has not made a big jump at all, and the win streak was because of the level of competition, and taking the ball out of his hands.  We are the lowest percentage passing team in the NFL.

 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Not conflicted at all.  Passing QB's win titles, #facts.

Defenses and Olines win titles just as much. Come on...

Listen, right now its props to Jalen time, we're going to the playoffs, 99% of the fanbase is happy. It's all good.

BUT, if we get curbstomped in the first game and he puts up like 9 points or something, all the questions about him will come roaring to the forefront.

That's why it's not smart to crown him or cement him as the franchise QB yet.

4 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah so he's better than those guys. Right now he's better than Lawrence, Fields and Wilson. He's better than Lance. He's better than Jones... He's better than the Houston starter. He's better than at least 10 starters in the NFL. 

 

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

Not conflicted at all.  Passing QB's win titles, #facts.

Until a running QB does. It is inevitable.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah it does I don't dispute that. But as I've said Hurts has shown you can win and you can compete with him as your starter. Would you like better? Absolutely yes. 

I think he's right in the middle of the pack... But with his legs, his ability to make plays and that he's not a turnover machine I think you can win with him. For now I'll take that. 

Middle of the pack for a 23 year old quarterback is pretty darn good. Wentz as a rookie was basically middle of the pack. Honestly McNabb in his second year was more lower end than middle of the pack. Statistically he’s improved. The team has improved with him as their quarterback. He’s upped his passer rating, QBR, completion percentage, and yards per attempt while lowering his sack rate percentage. He has 2 4th quarter comebacks to go with 2 game winning drives this season. Jalen Hurts is actually younger than Kenny Pickett, yet everyone wants that guy. People are way too quickly to judge. 

41 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Middle of the pack for a 23 year old quarterback is pretty darn good. Wentz as a rookie was basically middle of the pack. Honestly McNabb in his second year was more lower end than middle of the pack. Statistically he’s improved. The team has improved with him as their quarterback. He’s upped his passer rating, QBR, completion percentage, and yards per attempt while lowering his sack rate percentage. He has 2 4th quarter comebacks to go with 2 game winning drives this season. Jalen Hurts is actually younger than Kenny Pickett, yet everyone wants that guy. People are way too quickly to judge. 

Fans are a fickle bunch. No wait. They're dumb as rocks.

17 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I really don't know why people think he sucks. Is he an elite QB? No. Is he ever going to reach that level? No probably not. But he doesn't suck. He's better than a number of starters in this league and he's proven you can win with him. 

Just play smart football, keep the mistakes to a minimum and if all other pieces fall into place than your shot at the trophy is as good as any other "elite" squad. Hurts has a winners mentality, you can see it. Hes getting better. Hes going to make bone headed plays, as does Brady. These guys are human mot robots.

15 hours ago, greend said:

So if Hurts could put together a complete game we might actually win a playoff game. 

Was it Hurts fault the D basically allowed WFT to march down and score the first drive? And because he couldn't replicate that its also all his fault? 

12 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Burrow has half of Hurts passing touchdown counts in just the last two weeks. Like come on! Why does Philly accept such mediocre QB play. Because he's an underdog story? It's ridiculous

Theres a saying. Comparison is the killer of joy or happiness. Go sulk elsewhere, baby.

1 hour ago, EagleMatt said:

Just play smart football, keep the mistakes to a minimum and if all other pieces fall into place than your shot at the trophy is as good as any other "elite" squad. Hurts has a winners mentality, you can see it. Hes getting better. Hes going to make bone headed plays, as does Brady. These guys are human mot robots.

Brady just got shutout by the Saints and struggled against the Jets. Every player is fallible.