14 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Brady just got shutout by the Saints and struggled against the Jets. Every player is fallible. 

NO! ONLY HURTS

6 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Listen, right now its props to Jalen time, we're going to the playoffs, 99% of the fanbase is happy. It's all good.

BUT, if we get curbstomped in the first game and he puts up like 9 points or something, all the questions about him will come roaring to the forefront.

That's why it's not smart to crown him or cement him as the franchise QB yet.

You mean like what Wentz did in his only playoff game in 5 seasons?  Didn’t stop a legion of washers from anointing him the savior 😂.

40 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

You mean like what Wentz did in his only playoff game in 5 seasons?  Didn’t stop a legion of washers from anointing him the savior 😂.

Now, now let’s cut the beanbaggers some slack! I mean it’s not like some other quarterback came in and won a bunch of playoff games in multiple seasons and a Super Bowl while Wentz was here! They had no choice but to anoint him! 

By the way Jalen Hurts will be the youngest quarterback to ever start a playoff game for the Eagles. Jalen Hurts starting a playoff game is still younger than Wentz was when he debut for the Eagles. Hurts is better than the majority of the rookie quarterbacks in this past draft, and younger than the quarterbacks (better than those guys too) coming out in 2022. Get with the program people. Hurts is the quarterback. 

8 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

Yeah, I'm with you. I've made my desire to get one of the big 3 QBs evident, so I won't get into that. But if the choice comes down to Hurts or a 1st rd rookie, give me Hurts.

I like Pickett, but not enough to spend the draft capital required for him. Roll with Hurts for another year and then revisit the position in the 2023 off-season.

And that's fine if you want one of the big 3 QBs. I don't but look I can see why people would want Rodgers. I can even see why some would want Watson for his on field ability.

If Pickett is on the board when we pick then I'm OK with it. But I don't think he will be and we shouldn't trade up as you say. 

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

So he's not that bad then. 

3 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Just play smart football, keep the mistakes to a minimum and if all other pieces fall into place than your shot at the trophy is as good as any other "elite" squad. Hurts has a winners mentality, you can see it. Hes getting better. Hes going to make bone headed plays, as does Brady. These guys are human mot robots.

I honestly think... If this defense was given some weapons (and if Gannon can actually get the best out of them) then this team would have an even better chance next year with Hurts. Who knows if the D could get a stop or two against KC we may win that game. Same against the Chargers. Yes Hurts needs to be better and I think his ceiling is limited but I do think you can, and we have, win with him.

12 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So he's not that bad then. 

He’s not. 

Jalen vs Lamar?

 

https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanpalmer/video/7049073873232497967?sender_device=mobile

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

He’s not. 

His big issue that needs to be worked on in the offseason is the deep ball accuracy. They’re always underthrown. I don’t think it’s an arm strength issue. He may not have a cannon but his arm is strong enough to make the deep throw. He’s just off on his timing and accuracy on those balls. 
 

His passing numbers will look much better if he can just work on that aspect of his game. Hopefully he can improve there in the offseason. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

By the way Jalen Hurts will be the youngest quarterback to ever start a playoff game for the Eagles. Jalen Hurts starting a playoff game is still younger than Wentz was when he debut for the Eagles. Hurts is better than the majority of the rookie quarterbacks in this past draft, and younger than the quarterbacks (better than those guys too) coming out in 2022. Get with the program people. Hurts is the quarterback. 

 

I've have to listen all year to "He's not a QB but a running back", "Let's get Watson, Wilson and Rodgers (Though none of them want to come here)", "Time for Minshew Mania (Off one game Vs the Jets)", "Tank for Draft picks" blah, blah, blah.   It's time for people to accept the truth and reality.  Jalen is a winner period and has lead this team to a Playoff Berth and is a Pro Bowl Alternate in his first full season as a starter.   Yes he didn't do it alone but he was a very important reason we are here being a QB.   Our Historic Running Game this year, a lot of could be credited to what Jalen brings to the table.  I know Carson leaving was polarizing.  I know naturally everything was going to be dissected from Jalen because yes Carson leaving was hard for a lot of fans.  I know Jalen had some big shoes to fill coming off our Super Bowl Era.   

But he was thrown into the fire last year and had the Eagles in every single game they played including beating a powerful Saints Team at the time.   Nobody is saying he's beyond critic or criticism, every young QB could use improvement including Jalen.   But this rush to write him off is way to hyperbolic.   Let' the kid continue to develop and grow.    I see a young QB continue to progress and get better.   Also Jalen has played some Big Games in College, don't be shocked if or when he plays well in the Playoffs because he understands Big moments.   We've doubled our Win Total from last year in a "Rebuilding//Retooling" year.   He's played as well as Donovan did in his first full season.  And now he's younger than Donovan, Foles, and Carson in a playoff game.  He's already broke Eagles Records as well.     He's our QB for 2022,  and he's earned it.    

7 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Was it Hurts fault the D basically allowed WFT to march down and score the first drive? And because he couldn't replicate that its also all his fault? 

Are you trying to argue that Hurts had a complete game?

4 hours ago, nipples said:

His big issue that needs to be worked on in the offseason is the deep ball accuracy. They’re always underthrown. I don’t think it’s an arm strength issue. He may not have a cannon but his arm is strong enough to make the deep throw. He’s just off on his timing and accuracy on those balls. 
 

His passing numbers will look much better if he can just work on that aspect of his game. Hopefully he can improve there in the offseason. 

I’m not saying that Hurts doesn’t have things he needs to improve on, and frankly I believe he has the drive to get better at whatever is holding him back, but what I really think would help him improve would be another legitimate wide receiver. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So he's not that bad then. 

There's a portion of the fan base that keeps trying to sell the narrative that his passing is holding the team back. But when you distance yourself from the nonsense and look at some of the other resources (like the ones referenced in those tweets) that are designed to explain more clearly what the stats mean and listen to what other people around the NFL world are saying, you will hear a much different perspective about Hurts than you hear from that portion of the fan base. 

Right now he's an improving player. He has shown improvement over last season. He has shown improvement in the course of this season. He's leading an offense that is full of inexperienced players and they are improving together. I doubt anybody is declaring that Hurts has arrived as an elite player, but one would have to be blind to not see that he is trending in the right direction. There's plenty of more work to do and it seems Hurts isn't afraid to put in the work. 

8 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Theres a saying. Comparison is the killer of joy or happiness. Go sulk elsewhere, baby.

It's not sulking, the church of Hurts makes no sense. The guy is below average at best, yet he seems to get praise that honestly the coaching staff deserves from taking the ball out of his hands. He isn't a good quarterback, but a good pawn for 11v11 football. The touchdown runs he has could easily been achieved by a simple power back most situations. 

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

It's not sulking, the church of Hurts makes no sense. The guy is below average at best, yet he seems to get praise that honestly the coaching staff deserves from taking the ball out of his hands. He isn't a good quarterback, but a good pawn for 11v11 football. The touchdown runs he has could easily been achieved by a simple power back most situations. 

Agreed

I'll put it this way, if our starting RB played every game but one, was 20th plus in yards and touchdowns, and the people below him were all injured, or scabs, you would go into the off-season looking to upgrade. Everyone keeps talking about his improvement, but all he has done is become slightly better than the basement of the league

2 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Jalen vs Lamar?

 

https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanpalmer/video/7049073873232497967?sender_device=mobile

One thing the eagles can learn from Lamar's big passing breakout earlier in the year is: get the dude some WR's.  People were all over Lamar can't throw until they gave him a full arsenal of pass catchers and viola, he was throwing for 275/gm.  Eagles need to do that for Hurts.  Goedert and Smith are a great foundation but everybody else is just role players or trash.  You want to score passing points with the big boys, you gotta have 3-4 legit weapons just like almost every other big time offense has (see: Dallas/Cincy/Rams/Chargers/Chiefs/Bucs/Cardinals).  The only outlier is Packers because Adams is a one man arsenal.

3 hours ago, EagleMatt said:

Jalen vs Lamar?

 

https://www.tiktok.com/@jordanpalmer/video/7049073873232497967?sender_device=mobile

So when cherry picked, Hurts is comparable to a QB that has long been criticized for his passing ability. As it turns out, Lamar has gotten consistently worse as a passer.

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

So he's not that bad then. 

 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

His big issue that needs to be worked on in the offseason is the deep ball accuracy. They’re always underthrown. I don’t think it’s an arm strength issue. He may not have a cannon but his arm is strong enough to make the deep throw. He’s just off on his timing and accuracy on those balls. 
 

His passing numbers will look much better if he can just work on that aspect of his game. Hopefully he can improve there in the offseason. 

 

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

There's a portion of the fan base that keeps trying to sell the narrative that his passing is holding the team back. But when you distance yourself from the nonsense and look at some of the other resources (like the ones referenced in those tweets) that are designed to explain more clearly what the stats mean and listen to what other people around the NFL world are saying, you will hear a much different perspective about Hurts than you hear from that portion of the fan base. 

Right now he's an improving player. He has shown improvement over last season. He has shown improvement in the course of this season. He's leading an offense that is full of inexperienced players and they are improving together. I doubt anybody is declaring that Hurts has arrived as an elite player, but one would have to be blind to not see that he is trending in the right direction. There's plenty of more work to do and it seems Hurts isn't afraid to put in the work. 

Hurts has improved significantly from last year:

Completion percentage up from 52% to 61%

RTG - up from 78 to 87

QBR - up from 34 to 49

PFF rating up from 56 to 81

Total turnovers from 6 in 4 games to 11 in 15 games - much better ratio.

Aside from that he has just looked better in recent weeks. Gone through his progressions, made some plays keeping his eyes downfield when scrambling (that pass to Ward was beautiful)

Are there areas for improvement. Absolutely. Needs to work on his deep ball and his reads and become a bit better passing in the red zone/goal to go situations.

But if he can continue to improve, he doesn't need to make significant improvements to be a borderline top 10 QB next year. Get that completion percentage up 3/4% and the rating/QBR up 5 points each.

Hurts for 2022. Get him some help with a proper WR2 and see how he does.

5 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

RTG - up from 78 to 87 - 21st in the league

QBR - up from 34 to 49 - 19th in the league

When you are really bad, you should improve.  He went from bad to barely average.  Not sure if that is something to hang your hat on.

30 minutes ago, downundermike said:

When you are really bad, you should improve.  He went from bad to barely average.  Not sure if that is something to hang your hat on.

I know you love making polls so in your honor after the playoff game I’ll make one and call it "Who Had the Better Eagles Playoff Premire.” Hurts or Wentz. Great right!?! 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

I know you love making polls so in your honor after the playoff game I’ll make one and call it "Who Had the Better Eagles Playoff Premire.” Hurts or Wentz. Great right!?! 

As long as Dominion isn't providing the voting machines.

23 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

 

Hurts has improved significantly from last year:

Completion percentage up from 52% to 61%

RTG - up from 78 to 87

QBR - up from 34 to 49

PFF rating up from 56 to 81

Total turnovers from 6 in 4 games to 11 in 15 games - much better ratio.

Aside from that he has just looked better in recent weeks. Gone through his progressions, made some plays keeping his eyes downfield when scrambling (that pass to Ward was beautiful)

Are there areas for improvement. Absolutely. Needs to work on his deep ball and his reads and become a bit better passing in the red zone/goal to go situations.

But if he can continue to improve, he doesn't need to make significant improvements to be a borderline top 10 QB next year. Get that completion percentage up 3/4% and the rating/QBR up 5 points each.

Hurts for 2022. Get him some help with a proper WR2 and see how he does.

Who does he unseat for top ten? I have Hurts at like 20ish.

Brady, Rodgers, Wilson, Herbert, Burrow, Watson, Jackson, Allen, Prescott, Tannehill, Murray, Carr, M. Jones, Stafford, Mahomes

Cousins, Tua, Wentz, Ryan, Big Ben  I have higher than him right now comfortably as QBs right now

Lawrence, Z. Wilson, Lance, Fields we can't judge yet and I guess Hurts falls in, but I feel at least two of this will fall into that top 15 in a year or two.

He's better than Heinicke, Taylor, Jimmy G., Dalton, Mayfield, Darnold, Bridgewaters

For him to be top 10, you are counting on a wall of people to collapse or him to just go leaps and bounds better.

 

 

 

3 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

As long as Dominion isn't providing the voting machines.

You make the choices bud.