I guess I just don't get why people are so negative on him and ready to move on. Do we not know how hard it is to actually get a decent QB in this league? There are teams that have been searching for one for decades. If you have a young guy who shows signs and has a chance to develop, it is exciting.

 

In the beginning of the year sure you could say eh I don't think he's going to be good enough he hasn't showed anything, and you could defend that. But now as he plays better and better it just looks like people hate him for whatever reason, I guess because he's not the prototypical cannon arm pocket passer everyone thinks we need.

8 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I guess I just don't get why people are so negative on him and ready to move on. Do we not know how hard it is to actually get a decent QB in this league? There are teams that have been searching for one for decades. If you have a young guy who shows signs and has a chance to develop, it is exciting.

 

In the beginning of the year sure you could say eh I don't think he's going to be good enough he hasn't showed anything, and you could defend that. But now as he plays better and better it just looks like people hate him for whatever reason, I guess because he's not the prototypical cannon arm pocket passer everyone thinks we need.

There is an element of irrational hatred towards Hurts, no doubt about it, but I think for the most part, the criticism of him stems from his talent limitations.

When you look at young QBs like Burrow or Herbert, you can't help but feel envious when realizing that Hurts will never be close to them.

4 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

There is an element of irrational hatred towards Hurts, no doubt about it, but I think for the most part, the criticism of him stems from his talent limitations.

When you look at young QBs like Burrow or Herbert, you can't help but feel envious when realizing that hurts will never be close to them.

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

There is an element of irrational hatred towards Hurts, no doubt about it, but I think for the most part, the criticism of him stems from his talent limitations.

When you look at young QBs like Burrow or Herbert, you can't help but feel envious when realizing that hurts will never be close to them.

This I get. But this is an unrealistic viewpoint.

Burrows and Herberts are rare. Hurts will for sure likely never be Joe Burrow. However, you don't have to be that to win the SB, otherwise the best QB in the NFL would just win it every year.

Not sure why you'd want to just sit around for 5 decades being upset we don't have Joe Burrow or Dan Marino at QB every year. 

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And 3 of those turnovers came in 1 game. A weird game where the whole team played badly against a bad team. That doesn't excuse Hurts but it does give some context. 

I think the high ankle injury has actually been good for Hurts. It's meant he has had to stay in the pocket more and work through his progressions. 

 

4 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I guess I just don't get why people are so negative on him and ready to move on. Do we not know how hard it is to actually get a decent QB in this league? There are teams that have been searching for one for decades. If you have a young guy who shows signs and has a chance to develop, it is exciting.

 

In the beginning of the year sure you could say eh I don't think he's going to be good enough he hasn't showed anything, and you could defend that. But now as he plays better and better it just looks like people hate him for whatever reason, I guess because he's not the prototypical cannon arm pocket passer everyone thinks we need.

Yep - just have a look at the QBs drafted over the past few years (say since 2018). Burrow, Herbert, Allen and Murray are studs and I would take them over Hurts. But they are not available and were drafted 1, 6, 7 and 1 respectively in the first round. 

Now look at some of the other QBs drafted in higher spots than Hurts. Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Rosen (10), Daniel Jones (6), Haskins (15), Lock (42), Tua (5), Love (26),.

Would you take any of those guys over Hurts? I wouldn't (there's an argument for Tua, but I would stay with Hurts). 

He's doing well and he was a good pick. He's not shown himself to be the answer yet, but he's earned himself another year to show that he might be.

2 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

This I get. But this is an unrealistic viewpoint.

Burrows and Herberts are rare. Hurts will for sure likely never be Joe Burrow. However, you don't have to be that to win the SB, otherwise the best QB in the NFL would just win it every year.

Not sure why you'd want to just sit around for 5 decades being upset we don't have Joe Burrow or Dan Marino at QB every year. 

I get it. As I said, Hurts being an average QB at his age and salary is darn good deal, but going forward will he be good enough to commit to a second contract?

He would need to show significant improvement, not impossible, but I can't help but feel skeptical.

2 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

That still leaves a wall of of QBs between him and top 10. Plus next year, another batch of QBs will be in the mix. And you keep bringing up money like Jones and Burrow are expensive to their team right now. No rookie contract is expensive anymore. Also, good qbs get paid. It's how the NFL works. Adding those players will always be temporary. They are the training wheels for young qbs until they develop to stand on their own. My issue is more with his fans than him. If people would stop jumping for joy for a guy who improved from worst to 20th, and doesn't even have a 2/1 td/int ratio in this NFL just blows my mind. If they simply left it "he has earned next year", many people would just leave it alone. It's the Church of Hurts that drives people nuts. If he was asked to be anything more than he is now, he would collapse on himself. He may develop into something more, but I feel the team will have to evolve to cover his weakness than him covering the teams weaknesses

There won’t be another batch of QBs in the mix next year that are even worth considering as a top 10 QB. This class is horrendous. 

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

I get it. As I said, Hurts being an average QB at his age and salary is darn good deal, but going forward will he be good enough to commit to a second contract?

He would need to show significant improvement, not impossible, but I can't help but feel skeptical.

I'm with you on the second contract. If he's not a clear top 15 guy at the end of next year then no thanks lets move on. I think there's a legitimate shot at him getting there though. Plus there are no other reasonable options anyway so lets see what happens.

Do you people ever get sick of making the same arguments in 5 different threads every single day of the week? Then when another game is played do it all over again  for another week... People love smashing their face against the wall repeatedly I guess lol. 

10 minutes ago, BirdsFanBill said:

This I get. But this is an unrealistic viewpoint.

Burrows and Herberts are rare. Hurts will for sure likely never be Joe Burrow. However, you don't have to be that to win the SB, otherwise the best QB in the NFL would just win it every year.

Not sure why you'd want to just sit around for 5 decades being upset we don't have Joe Burrow or Dan Marino at QB every year. 

 

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I get it. As I said, Hurts being an average QB at his age and salary is darn good deal, but going forward will he be good enough to commit to a second contract?

He would need to show significant improvement, not impossible, but I can't help but feel skeptical.

re talent - I do think Hurts is talented, but in a very different way to Burrow/Herbert. I think sometimes his ability to make plays with his legs is underappreciated on this board. I grant you, he doesn't have the pure passing talent of Burrow or Herbert, but he is difficult to defend as a true dual threat QB.

I agree we will need to carefully consider whether to give him a second contract or not and indeed whether he should start beyond 2022. But I don't think he needs to make a significant improvement, he just need to improve a bit. Now that is not as easy as it sounds in the NFL. Teams have a year of tape on him and next year he will probably face a harder schedule.

But as I said in my previous post, if he can just raise his completion percentage by 3/4 per cent and improve a bit on deep balls and his reading, then he and the Eagles are in pretty good shape.

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I get it. As I said, Hurts being an average QB at his age and salary is darn good deal, but going forward will he be good enough to commit to a second contract?

He would need to show significant improvement, not impossible, but I can't help but feel skeptical.

I think it's all about preparation with Hurts, just like it is with all QBs. 

It's very rare that a QB can rely on his physical abilities alone and be consistently successful in the NFL, this is not the college game. 

If he's get his mind in the playbook and know the schemes and concepts of what the plays are trying to accomplish he'll be successful, if he thinks he "got this" and relax this summer,it's going to be the SOS.

He also should work on the fundamentals of throwing on the run to the left and right, he has to be more accurate when doing so.

Needless to say, Sirianni plays a big part in the playbook and know the schemes and concepts of what the plays are trying to accomplish, if they're on the same page we'll know.

2 hours ago, dawkins4prez said:

Over the 1st 7 weeks he was passing for 316/gm.  Take the Colts out and he was still at 294.5/gm and absolutely zero of that was garbage time, every game was close and his running game was a mess.  When you are Lamar or Hurts your target is 275 because you are already doing a bunch of damage with your legs.  these guys are built to manage running games and kill you when you over commit. 

 

The big question is can they throw when they fall behind.  We just saw Hurts throw 230+ and pull it off.  You want him to throw 300 in that suituation and murder a bad Washington team, give him more receivers.

You realize there's more to passing than passing yards, right? 

 

14 minutes ago, Swoop said:

You realize there's more to passing than passing yards, right? 

 

Yeah, I watched the games.  Pretty much all of em. Lamar is an electric thrower, he throws an accurate dart with a quick release.  I think Hurts will have to run the offense better (go through more reads) to be as effective, he isn't quite the big play machine as Lamar with legs or arm.

 

If you want a top ranked offense you gotta find your way to about 375 yds/gm.  For Hurts to get there he is going to have to throw for at least 240-250 and run for another 40 or so.

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I said if he continues to develop he could be a borderline top 10 next year. I stand by that. He could also not develop and lose his job part way through 2022 or in 2023 and I would be fine with that.

But this Church of Hurts thing is a non-starter. Most "Hurts Huggers" have simply said that he is progressing and would like to see what he can do in 2022, given that there are no other better realistic options in free agency and the draft that wouldn't involve us sabotaging the rest of the team.

There have been far more "Hurts Haters" who have been calling for him to be benched at every available opportunity, rather than seeing how he develops and giving him time. 

Nailed it.

31 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Do you people ever get sick of making the same arguments in 5 different threads every single day of the week? Then when another game is played do it all over again  for another week... People love smashing their face against the wall repeatedly I guess lol. 

Just wait til they keep coming up with new variations of the same polls.

35 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Do you people ever get sick of making the same arguments in 5 different threads every single day of the week? Then when another game is played do it all over again  for another week... People love smashing their face against the wall repeatedly I guess lol. 

Welcome to the EMB, bro.

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Just wait til they keep coming up with new variations of the same polls.

I think that ship has sailed lol

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Nailed it.

The draft?

22 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I think that ship has sailed lol

The draft?

Still waiting on that. But I hear that THIS time...

10 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Still waiting on that. But I hear that THIS time...

Some one said it somewhere on here today. I'll find it lol

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

There is an element of irrational hatred towards Hurts, no doubt about it, but I think for the most part, the criticism of him stems from his talent limitations.

When you look at young QBs like Burrow or Herbert, you can't help but feel envious when realizing that Hurts will never be close to them.

And for every Burrow or Herbert there is a Dwayne Haskins, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky or Paxton Lynch.

I feel more envious on the supporting cast that Burrow and Herbert has. I really, really wanted Chase in the draft. 

2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

And for every Burrow or Herbert there is a Dwayne Haskins, Josh Rosen, Mitch Trubisky or Paxton Lynch.

I feel more envious on the supporting cast that Burrow and Herbert has. I really, really wanted Chase in the draft. 

Agree on Chase. I mean I like Devonta and I think he’s going to be a pro bowl caliber WR eventually, but Chase is going to be a top 3 WR in the league for a long time IMO. 

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

I get it. As I said, Hurts being an average QB at his age and salary is darn good deal, but going forward will he be good enough to commit to a second contract?

He would need to show significant improvement, not impossible, but I can't help but feel skeptical.

Hurts has already made significant improvement compared from year one to year two. He’s 23 years old and still has time to develop. This year and next if he stays in the system would be the first time he’s been in the same system ever. The point is he has time to improve and he’s young enough to continue to develop. Some stability and an additional wide receiver would help.

2 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

There is an element of irrational hatred towards Hurts, no doubt about it, but I think for the most part, the criticism of him stems from his talent limitations.

When you look at young QBs like Burrow or Herbert, you can't help but feel envious when realizing that Hurts will never be close to them.

And look and their teams record vs ours. Not so different with such great qb play. Not like our D has been carrying Hurts, quite the opposite.

2 hours ago, nipples said:

There won’t be another batch of QBs in the mix next year that are even worth considering as a top 10 QB. This class is horrendous. 

But the class of morons on here more than willing to draft someone next draft just to move on from Hurts, it seems. Anything for that next Matt Barkley.

10 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

And look and their teams record vs ours. Not so different with such great qb play. Not like our D has been carrying Hurts, quite the opposite.

Bengals won one of the toughest divisions in football, and their defense gives up more points than the Eagles.

Chargers have the same record, and their defense has given up 90 more points than the Eagles.

Both team also have a higher strength of victory than the Eagles.