15 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Stand up guy. True leader of men. 

 

The video has gone viral.  There are news reports internationally on this.  There's now 3 different angles and all of them are scary to watch.  Even when I first saw it I said Jalen was literally seconds away from the rail falling on top of him.  At least 6 fans were on that rail so the weight of the rail and the fans could have been really bad.   Jalen's instincts and speed went into play and he just reacted so quickly while it coming down so fast.    I'm sorry zip ties don't cut it, get it together Washington.  

5 hours ago, Swoop said:

I don't disagree, but we aren't taking 2 LBs in the first.

I would look at this guy as a 2nd LB pick later in the draft.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/sirvocea-dennis-pitt-olb-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

I would look at this guy as a 2nd LB pick later in the draft.

https://www.profootballnetwork.com/sirvocea-dennis-pitt-olb-nfl-draft-scouting-report-2022/

Yeah, I like him too. Think he could at minimum play to Singletons level, if not better. 

Absolutely worth a look a little later in the draft

6 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

 

The video has gone viral.  There are news reports internationally on this.  There's now 3 different angles and all of them are scary to watch.  Even when I first saw it I said Jalen was literally seconds away from the rail falling on top of him.  At least 6 fans were on that rail so the weight of the rail and the fans could have been really bad.   Jalen's instincts and speed went into play and he just reacted so quickly while it coming down so fast.    I'm sorry zip ties don't cut it, get it together Washington.  

It's all part of the promo for the new team name...the Washington Zippies!

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

To me they need to address all 3 levels of their defense and do it in the first (or ok maybe one of them can be a second round pick). Go and get a DE, LB and a S. Bring back McLeod and Harris, bring back Nelson and develop McPhearson for another year. 

Eagles need A LOT still. D Line is old. Linebackers need an upgrade. Secondary is aging. But I have an issue with going for need all the time. I wouldn't have a problem drafting somebody like Jameson Williams if he drops and going one offensive player and two defensive players in the first round. There's more than one round to improve the team. There's more than one draft to improve the team. 

17 minutes ago, shlo said:

Eagles need A LOT still. D Line is old. Linebackers need an upgrade. Secondary is aging. But I have an issue with going for need all the time. I wouldn't have a problem drafting somebody like Jameson Williams if he drops and going one offensive player and two defensive players in the first round. There's more than one round to improve the team. There's more than one draft to improve the team. 

Oh I agree with you there. Sorry I should caveat what I said. You absolutely should consider BPA and not draft purely for need. Weigh up and consider BPA vs the player that fills a need and consider how much difference there is in terms of value and grading etc. 

2 hours ago, shlo said:

Eagles need A LOT still. D Line is old. Linebackers need an upgrade. Secondary is aging. But I have an issue with going for need all the time. I wouldn't have a problem drafting somebody like Jameson Williams if he drops and going one offensive player and two defensive players in the first round. There's more than one round to improve the team. There's more than one draft to improve the team. 

 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Oh I agree with you there. Sorry I should caveat what I said. You absolutely should consider BPA and not draft purely for need. Weigh up and consider BPA vs the player that fills a need and consider how much difference there is in terms of value and grading etc. 

I think that's true to a degree, but I think it's pretty essential they use two first round picks on the D and one if possible on DE/Edge. The D literally needs help at every position so there should be some value pick there. I wouldn't be too upset if he drafted 1 offensive player, but if we do, I want the other 2 firsts and the second used on the D.

With Hurts likely not playing in Week 18, he will finish as PFF's 10th ranked QB for the 2021 season.

Good for him.

23 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

With Hurts likely not playing in Week 18, he will finish as PFF's 10th ranked QB for the 2021 season.

Good for him.

Interesting note: I read an article where it implied that Jalen is actually a hot commodity in NFL circles and teams are willing to give up a first to get him from the Eagles if they decide to go in a different direction. His contract and versatility has teams intrigued.

On 1/5/2022 at 8:35 AM, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

To me they need to address all 3 levels of their defense and do it in the first (or ok maybe one of them can be a second round pick). Go and get a DE, LB and a S. Bring back McLeod and Harris, bring back Nelson and develop McPhearson for another year. 

Not a big fan of McPhearson. Seems kind of small and slow for an outside corner to me. 

"It seems like both of the Eagles’ offensive minds were energized, not deterred, by the prospect of working with Hurts, which comes through in the variety of ways in which we see the quarterback deployed. In that Saints game, which was instructive viewing, giving us a glimpse at the Eagles against one of the top defenses in football, we saw Hurts slinging the ball from an empty set, hitting some quick Alabama-like RPOs and then running some delayed handoff zone read, which looked like it came straight out of the Wake Forest playbook as Hurts isolated Cam Jordan and held the ball until Jordan committed to the running back. He is just enough Lamar Jackson, just enough Russell Wilson and just enough Josh Allen to make it all work. The genius of the playbook is that it doesn’t require Hurts to be any one of those quarterbacks full-time.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/01/06/eagles-most-interesting-offense-jalen-hurts

SI seems to think the Eagles have one of the most "fascinating” offenses led by Jalen Hurts. The Eagles right now are "one of the best explosive play offenses in the NFL right now.” Maybe before we just assume that this is a one and done for Hurts people might want to consider that a) it is rumored that the owner and not Howie is the one that wanted him, and b) the coaches and the team have embraced him and have figured out how to run an offense around him. 

It's interesting to me that while our pass game isn't great in terms of raw numbers, it is actually very efficient.

Our net yards per attempt, which is basically the yards gained per drop back (minus sack yardage) is 12th in the league. It's one reason that we are tied for 8th in yards per play.

Yards per play is a really important stat to judge an offense. Tennessee is the only playoff team this year not in the top 14, and their offense fell off a cliff after Henry's injury.

I think 8th is pretty good considering the relative inexperience of our offense and the fact that we have an obvious problem at wr2.

It's also notable that the Chiefs are the only team within the top 10 in both rushing and passing. We are third in passing and, as noted, 12th in passing. It is also notable that Hurts became a more efficient passer as our running game took over. So while he was passing less, his average yards per attempt went up. I think this bodes well for next season, as it makes it easier for Hurts to pass against defenses that are focused on stopping the run.   

 

 

 

 

14 hours ago, jsb235 said:

It's interesting to me that while our pass game isn't great in terms of raw numbers, it is actually very efficient.

Our net yards per attempt, which is basically the yards gained per drop back (minus sack yardage) is 12th in the league. It's one reason that we are tied for 8th in yards per play.

Yards per play is a really important stat to judge an offense. Tennessee is the only playoff team this year not in the top 14, and their offense fell off a cliff after Henry's injury.

I think 8th is pretty good considering the relative inexperience of our offense and the fact that we have an obvious problem at wr2.

It's also notable that the Chiefs are the only team within the top 10 in both rushing and passing. We are third in passing and, as noted, 12th in passing. It is also notable that Hurts became a more efficient passer as our running game took over. So while he was passing less, his average yards per attempt went up. I think this bodes well for next season, as it makes it easier for Hurts to pass against defenses that are focused on stopping the run.   

 

 

 

 

Our big benefit with the running game is that we can create a lot of misdirection in the backfield so it prevents the opponents' front 7 from pinning their ears back. It's also the reason I absolutely hate when we run empty sets now because it takes away our main advantage on offense.

On 1/7/2022 at 10:14 AM, bitbased said:

Our big benefit with the running game is that we can create a lot of misdirection in the backfield so it prevents the opponents' front 7 from pinning their ears back. It's also the reason I absolutely hate when we run empty sets now because it takes away our main advantage on offense.

I’ve never liked the empty se backfield. It’s never seemed to work. They should completely dump it. 

On 1/4/2022 at 2:12 PM, D-Shiznit said:

There is an element of irrational hatred towards Hurts, no doubt about it, but I think for the most part, the criticism of him stems from his talent limitations.

When you look at young QBs like Burrow or Herbert, you can't help but feel envious when realizing that Hurts will never be close to them.

Hurts was R2 and perhaps overdrafted by a round at that. Those guys were both top half of R1. They SHOULD be better. If they’re not, that’s more ergregious than Hurts not being at their level. 

57 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Hurts was R2 and perhaps overdrafted by a round at that. Those guys were both top half of R1. They SHOULD be better. If they’re not, that’s more ergregious than Hurts not being at their level. 

That's true based on expectations from their draft position... But then look at Wilson who was drafted in the third round. He's had a great career. Dak is having a really good career, and he's still got many years to go, and he was a mid round pick. 

23 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's true based on expectations from their draft position... But then look at Wilson who was drafted in the third round. He's had a great career. Dak is having a really good career, and he's still got many years to go, and he was a mid round pick. 

Wilson was only drafted that low because of his height and that's really it. Dak has definitely outplayed his draft position but, he isn't elite either. 

You can argue that is why guys like hurts are over drafted. People don't want to pass up the next Wilson. 

26 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's true based on expectations from their draft position... But then look at Wilson who was drafted in the third round. He's had a great career. Dak is having a really good career, and he's still got many years to go, and he was a mid round pick. 

Wilson was a diamond in the rough. The list of highly successful day 2-3 QBs isn’t exactly long. He dropped due to height. Dak is definitely on the short list of day 3 guys who outperform their draft spot. 

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Wilson was a diamond in the rough. The list of highly successful day 2-3 QBs isn’t exactly long. He dropped due to height. Dak is definitely on the short list of day 3 guys who outperform their draft spot. 

How long is the list of highly successful QBs itself? What percentage of day 1 QBs are in that group? I guess it would require defining what exactly that means. Kirk Cousins (rd. 4), for example has had more success than RG3 (rd 1), but would he be labeled as "highly successful?" If winning Super Bowls defines success, then in the last 25 years we have seen a lot of Super Bowl winning QBs that were not picked in the 1st round. Kurt Warner is in the HOF. Brees and Brady will surely get in. Foles won't, but he was SB MVP and will be a legend here. Even Brett Favre was a 2nd rounder. If one wants to argue that McNabb is an example of a highly successful QB (and I would support that notion), players like him that were 1st rounders that actually panned out are rare. The list of 1st round failures is very long:  (since 1995)

Kerry Collins, Jim Druckenmiller, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown, Chad Pennington, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, Jason Campbell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, EJ Manuel, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Mitchell Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins. I left off guys like Ryan Tannehill, D. Jones, Baker Mayfield, etc... that may still be added to the list of disappointments later. 

 

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

How long is the list of highly successful QBs itself? What percentage of day 1 QBs are in that group? I guess it would require defining what exactly that means. Kirk Cousins (rd. 4), for example has had more success than RG3 (rd 1), but would he be labeled as "highly successful?" If winning Super Bowls defines success, then in the last 25 years we have seen a lot of Super Bowl winning QBs that were not picked in the 1st round. Kurt Warner is in the HOF. Brees and Brady will surely get in. Foles won't, but he was SB MVP and will be a legend here. Even Brett Favre was a 2nd rounder. If one wants to argue that McNabb is an example of a highly successful QB (and I would support that notion), players like him that were 1st rounders that actually panned out are rare. The list of 1st round failures is very long:  (since 1995)

Kerry Collins, Jim Druckenmiller, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Daunte Culpepper, Cade McNown, Chad Pennington, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Patrick Ramsey, Carson Palmer, Byron Leftwich, Kyle Boller, Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, Jason Campbell, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Mark Sanchez, Josh Freeman, Sam Bradford, Tim Tebow, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Robert Griffin, Brandon Weeden, EJ Manuel, Blake Bortles, Johnny Manziel, Teddy Bridgewater, Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Paxton Lynch, Mitchell Trubisky, Sam Darnold, Josh Rosen, Dwayne Haskins. I left off guys like Ryan Tannehill, D. Jones, Baker Mayfield, etc... that may still be added to the list of disappointments later. 

 

Agreed. There are far more failures than successes. 

On 1/6/2022 at 7:22 PM, jsb235 said:

It's interesting to me that while our pass game isn't great in terms of raw numbers, it is actually very efficient.

Our net yards per attempt, which is basically the yards gained per drop back (minus sack yardage) is 12th in the league. It's one reason that we are tied for 8th in yards per play.

Yards per play is a really important stat to judge an offense. Tennessee is the only playoff team this year not in the top 14, and their offense fell off a cliff after Henry's injury.

I think 8th is pretty good considering the relative inexperience of our offense and the fact that we have an obvious problem at wr2.

It's also notable that the Chiefs are the only team within the top 10 in both rushing and passing. We are third in passing and, as noted, 12th in passing. It is also notable that Hurts became a more efficient passer as our running game took over. So while he was passing less, his average yards per attempt went up. I think this bodes well for next season, as it makes it easier for Hurts to pass against defenses that are focused on stopping the run.   

 

 

 

 

I can’t help but wonder how much better our passing offense would be if the Eagles had a legit receiver option replacing Jalen Reagor. He is by far a greater liability than Hurts could ever be. 

36 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I can’t help but wonder how much better our passing offense would be if the Eagles had a legit receiver option replacing Jalen Reagor. He is by far a greater liability than Hurts could ever be. 

I don't think it's as much as you think. He isn't targeted a lot and he does get open. He has 3 drops on the season. He's only had one game where the drops hurt us (vs giants). Like pretty much all our WRs, he has blocked well, which is a big part of what the coach wants our WRs to do. Clearly his overall production is disappointing, but the overreaction to that is typical. If we throw 25 passes and 13 of those are targeting Smith and Goedert, that leaves a small portion available for the rest of the receiving targets. Unless you are faulting Reagor for the ineffectiveness of the WR screens he has caught, I think play design/overall execution have been bigger problems on those plays than just Jalen Reagor. 

Against the giants, he came up small and we lost the game. He acknowledged that. Because of the timing of those moments, it will be remembered as his worst game. He isn't the only player on this team that had a game like that this year. It doesn't mean that he can't have a better game. This just isn't an offense that spreads the ball around a lot in the air. I'm just not seeing how plugging in a "legit" WR2 is going to drastically change our offensive identity. If Reagor wasn't getting open, maybe you'd have a point. If he had a lot more than 3 drops on the season, again maybe you'd have a point. 

18 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't think it's as much as you think. He isn't targeted a lot and he does get open. He has 3 drops on the season. He's only had one game where the drops hurt us (vs giants). Like pretty much all our WRs, he has blocked well, which is a big part of what the coach wants our WRs to do. Clearly his overall production is disappointing, but the overreaction to that is typical. If we throw 25 passes and 13 of those are targeting Smith and Goedert, that leaves a small portion available for the rest of the receiving targets. Unless you are faulting Reagor for the ineffectiveness of the WR screens he has caught, I think play design/overall execution have been bigger problems on those plays than just Jalen Reagor. 

Against the giants, he came up small and we lost the game. He acknowledged that. Because of the timing of those moments, it will be remembered as his worst game. He isn't the only player on this team that had a game like that this year. It doesn't mean that he can't have a better game. This just isn't an offense that spreads the ball around a lot in the air. I'm just not seeing how plugging in a "legit" WR2 is going to drastically change our offensive identity. If Reagor wasn't getting open, maybe you'd have a point. If he had a lot more than 3 drops on the season, again maybe you'd have a point. 

Yeah I disagree. I don’t believe the player is reliable enough and that’s why Wentz, Hurts, and even Minshew basically ignored him. Frankly if he were more reliable the Eagles would throw it more, to him. At this point his touches are basically screens, reverses, and returns. We are also not seeing the burst of speed we have been promised he has. I think this team becomes a much better football team if they had a much more reliable option than what Reagor is currently providing. 

^^ He isn't targeted a lot because he blows. That alone hurts the offense.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yeah I disagree. I don’t believe the player is reliable enough and that’s why Wentz, Hurts, and even Minshew basically ignored him. Frankly if he were more reliable the Eagles would throw it more, to him. At this point his touches are basically screens, reverses, and returns. We are also not seeing the burst of speed we have been promised he has. I think this team becomes a much better football team if they had a much more reliable option than what Reagor is currently providing. 

I'm sure he has some highlight tape for you to prove you wrong lol.