48 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Great Jamarcus Russell story

One of his former teammates in an interview said his OC gave Russell a DVD of plays for him to study for an upcoming game. The next day the OC asked him which plays he felt most comfortable with and Russell said all of them. Turns out the OC purposely gave him a blank DVD to see if he would even watch it and obviously he didn't, lol.

Pretty sure it was the QB coach not the OC, none other than our old pal John Defilippo.

It’s the right move, and it has been the move. All of this trade for someone else was nothing more than wishful thinking. The funny thing is the people who see to expect Howie to make this bold of a move ( trading for quarterbacks who don’t even want to play here 😂) seem to at the same time think he’s the most incompetent GM of all time. You can’t have it both ways people. Anyways back to the point it’s obvious this team isn’t ready to compete with the big boys so Roseman and the brain trust has decided to roll with Hurts for at least another season. Look on the bright side some of you. If Hurts is as bad as some of you think then 2023 the Eagles should be in prime position to draft one of those 2023 prospects. 

34 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I’d caution against taking anything they say at face value. They’ve changed direction plenty of times in the past after saying one thing. 

When has Howie ever traded multiple first round picks for any veteran player? 

7 minutes ago, ToDie4Eagles said:

Pretty sure it was the QB coach not the OC, none other than our old pal John Defilippo.

Deflip was the only guy who coached Wentz hard. Not surprised it was the only time he looked elite too. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

It’s the right move, and it has been the move. All of this trade for someone else was nothing more than wishful thinking. The funny thing is the people who see to expect Howie to make this bold of a move ( trading for quarterbacks who don’t even want to play here 😂) seem to at the same time think he’s the most incompetent GM of all time. You can’t have it both ways people. Anyways back to the point it’s obvious this team isn’t ready to compete with the big boys so Roseman and the brain trust has decided to roll with Hurts for at least another season. Look on the bright side some of you. If Hurts is as bad as some of you think then 2023 the Eagles should be in prime position to draft one of those 2023 prospects. 

People are dumb. They think that because Howie has three first round picks he can just automatically trade for an elite QB like it's Madden franchise mode. It is so easy to spot the frauds on this board who have zero clue how the NFL and real world works.

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

When has Howie ever traded multiple first round picks for any veteran player? 

Not really relevant to my statement. I never said he would do that. Hurts may very well end up being the 2022 starter, but I have serious doubts this entire offseason goes by with them not at all looking into all possible options. 

So what you're saying is...

 

We're gonna build a car...without a steering wheel. 

Sounds like a solid idea 

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Not really relevant to my statement. I never said he would do that. Hurts may very well end up being the 2022 starter, but I have serious doubts this entire offseason goes by with them not at all looking into all possible options. 

Really and what are these "possible options” if not from some sort of trade? 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Really and what are these "possible options” if not from some sort of trade? 

Good luck getting a straight and knowledgeable answer from any of these clowns other than ''anyone is better than Hurts.''

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Really and what are these "possible options” if not from some sort of trade? 

The draft, or a trade. It could be multiple firsts. A single first. A combination of picks over multiple seasons. A free agent. Come on man. You know how the NFL works and how players can be acquired. Just because something hasn’t happened before doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen. Hell, I’ve already stated Hurts may very well get the nod when all is said and done, but I have no delusions that he is going to ignore looking at other avenues as well. 

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

The draft, or a trade. It could be multiple firsts. A single first. A combination of picks over multiple seasons. A free agent. Come on man. You know how the NFL works and how players can be acquired. Just because something hasn’t happened before doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen. Hell, I’ve already stated Hurts may very well get the nod when all is said and done, but I have no delusions that he is going to ignore looking at other avenues as well. 

You still have yet to answer his question, shocker.

I don't trust anything Howie says. If he is indeed back, I'll be rooting for him...to suck again

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You still have yet to answer his question, shocker.

He asked what options are available and I gave multiple. What are you talking about??

The wisest possible move.  Take those draft licks and invest in the defense either through drafting players or flipping a first for a difference maker veteran. 

The fact that they do and say one thing and then do a 180 helps a lot

Few things here:

1. It’s always been the most likely scenario and would absolutely not be surprising

2. I don’t think they are sold on him long-term just yet. And rightly so

3. Take with a grain of salt what the FO says now. This is what they are expected and should be saying. Anything else would be dumb

4. If they love a guy in the draft, they will take him. Hurts hasn’t done enough for you not to evaluate or consider that. But they aren’t desperate so will only happen if they have very high conviction

5. I sure as hell hope they aren’t using all three picks if they roll with Hurts. I don’t want to end up at 2023 looking for QB if Hurts doesn’t take a big leap forward next year with only out picks

So, if Carson Strong is there when we pick in the 2nd round, you pass him up?...   

4 minutes ago, What The F said:

So, if Carson Strong is there when we pick in the 2nd round, you pass him up?...   

Absolutely not. 

Until I see him starting next year then I won't read too much in to this. There's a chance he will be but there's still a very good chance he won't be. Howie isn't going to show his hand here though. And he can't because if he can't make a move stick then he'd look incredibly stupid. 

One things for sure, I can't imagine Lurie or Howie were impressed with what they say.

As much as I want an immediate or current stud qb here, and as much as I don’t fully believe Jalen is the long term answer, it makes sense to give him another year and get some better weapons in here for him.  We need WR help, a commitment to either making sanders a feature part of the offense or move on from him (he’s hurt half the time anyway so maybe pull that plug now), another TE to compliment DG, and probably help along the line especially if Kelce retires.  All of that doesn’t happen if we trade the 3 picks to upgrade the qb. To use the car analogy, Then we’d have Andretti driving a busted Prius around the track.  
 

I’m ok with building around him.  If that doesn’t work, move on and find the qb, but at least then we’re set with mostly everything else and it might make it more appealing for a FA to come in and have an instant contender situation. 

Hurts is the best option at QB for this team at the moment.  So, they have to make him the starter at the beginning of the off-season.  Don't think the fan base is completely sold on Hurts yet.  Can't rule out the possibility they bring other QBs in to compete and develop.  Hurts has to up his games more in the off-season and TC to lock up his role.

Using the draft capital to bring in players around him is the right things to do.  Defense and particularly the secondary need a lot of upgrade.  RB and WR too.  If some of the young players already on the roster can step up, that could help to shift the draft pick to other needed areas.

5 minutes ago, DBW said:

As much as I want an immediate or current stud qb here, and as much as I don’t fully believe Jalen is the long term answer, it makes sense to give him another year and get some better weapons in here for him.  We need WR help, a commitment to either making sanders a feature part of the offense or move on from him (he’s hurt half the time anyway so maybe pull that plug now), another TE to compliment DG, and probably help along the line especially if Kelce retires.  All of that doesn’t happen if we trade the 3 picks to upgrade the qb. To use the car analogy, Then we’d have Andretti driving a busted Prius around the track.  
 

I’m ok with building around him.  If that doesn’t work, move on and find the qb, but at least then we’re set with mostly everything else and it might make it more appealing for a FA to come in and have an instant contender situation. 

If they are moving on from Hurts, I think draft is the more likely avenue then getting an established stud here.

Of the veterans Rodgers / Wilson age doesn't line up with rebuild. Watson they would definitely have swung for if not for the legal issues

I'd rather they use Minshew as a cheap stopgap

4 hours ago, T-1000 said:

Great Jamarcus Russell story

One of his former teammates in an interview said his OC gave Russell a DVD of plays for him to study for an upcoming game. The next day the OC asked him which plays he felt most comfortable with and Russell said all of them. Turns out the OC purposely gave him a blank DVD to see if he would even watch it and obviously he didn't, lol.

One thing that is clear that we don't have to worry about with Hurts is his work ethic, desire to win and leadership. My concerns with Hurts have nothing to do with his intangibles which I absolutely love. Its hard not to root for the guy

5 hours ago, pallidrone said:

That doesn't explain what 'arm talent' is.

I'll have stab, I don't think its not rocket science. You hear about this a lot and a big arm goes into it but its a little more than that...its same thing as what scouting reports say "NFL throws". Ability to fire out the ball out with zip, quickly, fit in tight windows to half covered receivers. Can you hit the a 15 yard out when the receiver only having half a step on his man. Can you throw down the field effortlessly and drop a dime into your receiver. Allen has it in spades which was always the appeal of drafting him when he was a pretty raw prospect in other areas. To be honest, its what you see when you watch a lot of the top QBs Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers, Herbert, Watson, Wilson etc. have it. But having arm talent alone doesn't mean success (to use the example above me, JaMarcus Russell being the most obvious one) - you need other things too but it makes things a heck of a lot of easier if you have an arm on you. From the draft guys Carson Strong probably has the best arm talent (but a few other concerns). Can it be improved over time, yeah a little (Brady has gotten better over time). But you don't improve by much - you aren't going to go from below average or average to elite or even great.

In the passing game, guys who have been really successful that don't have elite arm talent have compensated by being really good at other things, in particular accuracy/ball placement, mechanics, decision making/reads/vision, pocket presence and awareness. Brady is elite at all these areas. Brees is another great example. You can most certainly improve these things by working on them, much more so than raw arm talent. Some more than others but again very few examples which start off poor/average and progress to elite across the board.

My issue/concern with Hurts is two fold that he is relatively poor or just OK across all these things. He doesn't have great arm talent but he is also not good at any of those other things. He struggles with consistent accurate ball placement, is poor at reading the defence and seeing open receivers and really lacks pocket awareness which leads to bailing too early. He will certainly get better at these areas because importantly as I mentioned is a very hard worker and has that desire. To counter this, these areas have been big holes for him since Day 1 at Alabama and has had access to some of the best college coaching available (Alabama and Oklahoma). He's not some kid out of Wyoming ala Josh Allen which played a big part in him being so raw. I do have serious doubts if the improvements he makes will be enough because whats needed aren't small improvements, he needs to make pretty big significant leaps.

I've focused my post on passing only which ignores the one thing Hurts has going for him and what he is strongest at - is his scrambling, running ability, avoiding sacks/negative plays. For completeness, that provides him a strong floor and does add a bit to his game so didn't want to leave it out. 

People always try to read into more then it is. They never said he was the 2022 QB starter. yes he is currently the starting QB. He is their starting QB now until he is no longer the starting QB if they find a better option. The fact people really post anything Frank and other reporters post is beyond me. They are paid to get views.