5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

People always try to read into more then it is. They never said he was the 2022 QB starter. yes he is currently the starting QB. He is their starting QB now until he is no longer the starting QB if they find a better option.

Question " Is Jalen Hurts the starter for 2022 "

Answer " Jalen knows where he stands with us "

Why not just say " Yes, he is the starter for 2022 "

Will the Eagles draft a QB in 2022, absolutely.  

Will it be in the first round?  Not unless someone slips down to them.

They're not chasing old veteran, or under criminal investigation QBs.  

That's it.  Close thread.

4 minutes ago, Vee said:

or under criminal investigation QBs.  

Are you sure about that

 

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/09/nfl-rumors-eagles-owner-jeffrey-lurie-reportedly-gave-the-go-ahead-to-acquire-deshaun-watson.html

Not even clicking when your evidence includes the words "rumors" and "reportedly" in the same sentence.

 

3 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

Was it a tough loss?  Yes.   But it was his first playoff game.  Most young QB's first playoff games don't go well.  It happens.  This was a game nobody predicted he would even be playing.   Think about this.   The loss to the Bucs was Jalen's 20th Start in his career.  Only 20 starts and he's already got a playoff start under his belt.  He's really just getting started.   I liked Jalen growth and evolution as a Starter this year.   Nobody had us going to the playoffs preseason.  Nobody thought we would go from last place to 2nd Place and Playoffs.  Jalen was the QB for the majority of the season and help to lead us.  He earned the position for 2022.  This will be the first time he will have consistent play calling in the last 6 seasons.   Yes he needs to work on things, every young QB does.   I don't agree with mortgaging the future for Wilson, Rodgers or anyone really.   Let's continue to build with this young team.  Jalen is still on a rookie deal.  I'm very excited about 2022.   This season was a success considering we are basically rebuilding post Super Bowl Era and we've already made the playoffs.   People can't spin it now, nobody has us making the Playoffs with this roster and they did it.  Very happy Both Howie and Nick are behind Jalen being the starter next season.

Do you feel the same way about Gannon and the D? They put up elite numbers in the back half of the season when we got on a winning roll. Something like 290 yards and 17 points a game. And beyond that, the D scored more TDs during the season than any other D outside of Dallas, tied with Miami. 

PS: My point isn't that our D is good. Just that we should keep the unexpected playoff appearance in context

8 minutes ago, Vee said:

Not even clicking when your evidence includes the words "rumors" and "reportedly" in the same sentence.

 

Nice cop out

7 minutes ago, Vee said:

Will the Eagles draft a QB in 2022, absolutely.  

Will it be in the first round?  Not unless someone slips down to them.

They're not chasing old veteran, or under criminal investigation QBs.  

That's it.  Close thread.

Its going to be trade up with the Jets, Joe Douglas to draft Pickett. Thats my conspiracy theory. 

6 minutes ago, kiwieagle said:

Do you feel the same way about Gannon and the D? They put up elite numbers in the back half of the season when we got on a winning roll. Something like 290 yards and 17 points a game. And beyond that, the D scored more TDs during the season than any other D outside of Dallas, tied with Miami. 

PS: My point isn't that our D is good. Just that we should keep the unexpected playoff appearance in context

Yes I do.  I actually think they did better against Brady than people are giving them credit for.  4 Sacks on 3rd Down and held him to 17 points.   The other points was the O's fault and special teams.  I just wish there was more sacks.   Nick and Gannon are also on a learning curve like Jalen.   Everyone got their wake up call in the playoffs.   I think they will all learn from this.   

"Rumors" usual become reality

Did I miss where they said he is the starter? I remember some vague comment, not "absolutely, Jalen is my guy going into 2022"

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Did I miss where they said he is the starter? I remember some vague comment, not "absolutely, Jalen is my guy going into 2022"

You missed it.  Rueben’s question, the first of the presser, asked Howie if he saw enough to name him the starter. Howie rants. Rube says "is that a yes?” Howie says "yes”

It was pretty clear. 

2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

He asked what options are available and I gave multiple. What are you talking about??

You didn't mention a single name.

37 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

People always try to read into more then it is. They never said he was the 2022 QB starter. yes he is currently the starting QB. He is their starting QB now until he is no longer the starting QB if they find a better option. The fact people really post anything Frank and other reporters post is beyond me. They are paid to get views. 

Frank writes some very good articles and is plugged in. He doesn't spout BS or nonsense, so I read him a lot. I avoid sensationalism/writers.

4 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Interesting. At what point in life is the determination made that you can or can not read the defense, stand on the pocket and throw a 30 yard in route?

At what point does it become impossible for someone to get better? Like does an 18 year old kid say - 'welp I can't throw that so there is no need in trying anymore' - Does someone's arm muscles atrophy in college and that is all they will ever be?

I just find it odd that people are saying that there is no way a 23 year old kid can get any better. I am not even arguing that he will get better, just that it is automatically assumed that nope, there is no way in the world this person could actually work on his game and get better, he has hit his ceiling at 23 years old.

You can make one of the most compelling and logical arguments (and you really did) and the fact is no matter what you say or prove....a large majority of these fans do not want Hurts here and are unwilling to give him anymore time. And they will swear it has everything to do with sportsmanship. But I applaud your effort here...it really is well thought out and very logical but I honestly think you are wasting your time. 

32 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

You didn't mention a single name.

Not relevant. I never said I had a name in mind nor was I ever asked for one. All I said was I believe they’re going to look at all their options. 

That means nothing. Do you expect them to say Hurts sucks we are going in another direction? 

Remember when Foles was chips QB for the next 10,000 yrs? Good times

4 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That means nothing. Do you expect them to say Hurts sucks we are going in another direction? 

Remember when Foles was chips QB for the next 10,000 yrs? Good times

Exactly.  Taking everything Howie says with a grain of salt and leaning towards lies lies and more lies.  Then I’ll wait and see what happens.  Nothing I do or say here makes any difference so 🤷🏻‍♂️

13 minutes ago, GeorgeM37 said:

You can make one of the most compelling and logical arguments (and you really did) and the fact is no matter what you say or prove....a large majority of these fans do not want Hurts here and are unwilling to give him anymore time. And they will swear it has everything to do with sportsmanship. But I applaud your effort here...it really is well thought out and very logical but I honestly think you are wasting your time. 

Sportsmanship ??  It is due to a lack of QB skills, the #1 being something you can't teach, you either have it or you don't.

 

32 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That means nothing. Do you expect them to say Hurts sucks we are going in another direction? 

Remember when Foles was chips QB for the next 10,000 yrs? Good times

But....but....but....Chip was a very special type of idiot.....

37 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

That means nothing. Do you expect them to say Hurts sucks we are going in another direction? 

Remember when Foles was chips QB for the next 10,000 yrs? Good times

Or when Carson Wentz was someone they couldn't imagine not having?

The Eagles have certainly never done this before! Never!

1 hour ago, DBW said:

You missed it.  Rueben’s question, the first of the presser, asked Howie if he saw enough to name him the starter. Howie rants. Rube says "is that a yes?” Howie says "yes”

It was pretty clear. 

Ah, I came in later and all I heard was something along the lines of "he knows where he stands with us" or something like that. He's the starter until he's not. Think we won't know til after draft

2 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

One thing that is clear that we don't have to worry about with Hurts is his work ethic, desire to win and leadership. My concerns with Hurts have nothing to do with his intangibles which I absolutely love. Its hard not to root for the guy

I'll have stab, I don't think its not rocket science. You hear about this a lot and a big arm goes into it but its a little more than that...its same thing as what scouting reports say "NFL throws". Ability to fire out the ball out with zip, quickly, fit in tight windows to half covered receivers. Can you hit the a 15 yard out when the receiver only having half a step on his man. Can you throw down the field effortlessly and drop a dime into your receiver. Allen has it in spades which was always the appeal of drafting him when he was a pretty raw prospect in other areas. To be honest, its what you see when you watch a lot of the top QBs Mahomes, Stafford, Rodgers, Herbert, Watson, Wilson etc. have it. But having arm talent alone doesn't mean success (to use the example above me, JaMarcus Russell being the most obvious one) - you need other things too but it makes things a heck of a lot of easier if you have an arm on you. From the draft guys Carson Strong probably has the best arm talent (but a few other concerns). Can it be improved over time, yeah a little (Brady has gotten better over time). But you don't improve by much - you aren't going to go from below average or average to elite or even great.

In the passing game, guys who have been really successful that don't have elite arm talent have compensated by being really good at other things, in particular accuracy/ball placement, mechanics, decision making/reads/vision, pocket presence and awareness. Brady is elite at all these areas. Brees is another great example. You can most certainly improve these things by working on them, much more so than raw arm talent. Some more than others but again very few examples which start off poor/average and progress to elite across the board.

My issue/concern with Hurts is two fold that he is relatively poor or just OK across all these things. He doesn't have great arm talent but he is also not good at any of those other things. He struggles with consistent accurate ball placement, is poor at reading the defence and seeing open receivers and really lacks pocket awareness which leads to bailing too early. He will certainly get better at these areas because importantly as I mentioned is a very hard worker and has that desire. To counter this, these areas have been big holes for him since Day 1 at Alabama and has had access to some of the best college coaching available (Alabama and Oklahoma). He's not some kid out of Wyoming ala Josh Allen which played a big part in him being so raw. I do have serious doubts if the improvements he makes will be enough because whats needed aren't small improvements, he needs to make pretty big significant leaps.

I've focused my post on passing only which ignores the one thing Hurts has going for him and what he is strongest at - is his scrambling, running ability, avoiding sacks/negative plays. For completeness, that provides him a strong floor and does add a bit to his game so didn't want to leave it out. 

With your definition of arm strength, at what point can a QB get better or not get better? Is there an age range for this?

Kurt Warner was a third stringer at Northern Iowa, did not get a chance to start until his senior year and did not even play a snap in the NFL until he was 27 and now he is a HOF QB. What changed for him? Did he have this arm talent in college or not? If so then why was he bagging groceries at 24 years old?

My problem with this is that people are using this mythical 'arm talent' term as a way to denigrate Hurts and for some reason there is now this thought that it is impossible for him to ever get better. That at 23 years old he is a finished product because why? Because he want to Oklahoma and Alabama?

The coaches at Oklahoma and Alabama are not interested in coaching up QBs, they are only interested in winning at any means necessary. That is why they run the systems they do, which is to exploit whatever QB they have at the helm. They kind of have to because of all the turnover that they always have. Smaller colleges are more invested into their QBs and will work harder to coach them up to the system they run.

The coaches, players, player personnel and even some outside of the organization see something in Hurts and think they can untap it, which means that they feel he can get better. It is just amazing that so many are just willing to write him off.

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Its going to be trade up with the Jets, Joe Douglas to draft Pickett. Thats my conspiracy theory. 

Yikes, that’s a long way to go up if you mean their own pick. Seattle pick is a little more reasonable but not sure Pickett lasts that long if he is QB1 off the board

I would translate what I heard today into the team keeping Hurts as a placeholder at QB until better long term options become available.  Don't see the team mortgaging the future at this stage.

Hurts has his detractors here, and I'm not a big fan.  But if the organizational goal right now is to rebuild the team, Hurts can be an acceptable option for the next year or two.  He's diligent, well liked, has a good attitude, and has had some success on the field.  He also has a good contract.  I see short term stability with him.  Long term he's not the answer. 

5 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

The draft, or a trade. It could be multiple firsts. A single first. A combination of picks over multiple seasons. A free agent. Come on man. You know how the NFL works and how players can be acquired. Just because something hasn’t happened before doesn’t mean it won’t ever happen. Hell, I’ve already stated Hurts may very well get the nod when all is said and done, but I have no delusions that he is going to ignore looking at other avenues as well. 

Howie already did that stuff when he traded for Minshew. You might not be satisfied with that, but that doesn’t mean the Eagles aren’t. Howie wasn’t sold on any of the quarterbacks last draft. He was right there in the mist to get one of them. He and the head coach have told you they’re satisfied with Hurts. They’re not making any big trade moves, at least not this season.