5 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Bang on. QB is the most important position - they will look at evaluate all options in the off-season. This will include evaluation of upgrade they get vs cost ($ and picks).

Quite likely they just don't find that option and they are perfectly happy rolling with Hurts. But also don't be surprised if there is a QB prospect they love that gets drafted. Hurts hasn't convinced them such that he will keep them from drafting a prospect they love.

Yup. This is what I’ve said from the beginning, which has caused a couple people to get bent out of shape. 

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yet they’re still here. Those guys have been far greater mistakes than Hurts yet they’re still here. I think you’re the one expecting something that isn’t going to happen. You’re going to be disappointed.

I’m not expecting anything. I really don’t know how to make this clearer for you or T-1000. I think I’m speaking English here, maybe I’m not. 
 

Let me try this again. I am not saying they will trade picks for a QB. Multiple firsts or anything else. I am not saying they are going to target player X in free agency. I am not saying they are going to target player X in the draft. What I AM saying, is they will have discussions about what they can do to upgrade. I have even said multiple times now, that they may eventually settle on going with Hurts again for next year. I am saying I don’t believe in taking anything they say at face value because this organization has said things in the past and then eventually done something different later. 
 

I really can’t figure out what is so difficult to get about that. I’m not even claiming that I’m making some grand revelation here. This is all mundane stuff I’m saying here. 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Weren't there several reports of him trying to move up for Wilson? The Jets wouldn't budge? Kind of says the opposite of what you're claiming, no?

The Eagles traded back in the draft. There was also reports the Eagles wanted Wilson or Watson. Are any of those people on the roster right now? Wake up dude. 😂

33 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The Eagles traded back in the draft. There was also reports the Eagles wanted Wilson or Watson. Are any of those people on the roster right now? Wake up dude. 😂

You're kind of proving my point. There are numerous sources and reports of the Eagles wanting to go in a different direction at QB. That doesn't speak well for what they feel about Hurts, right?

Of course, you do realize that they can both want to make a change and be unable to, yes? Both can be accurate.

Try to keep up.

15 minutes ago, Swoop said:

You're kind of proving my point. There are numerous sources and reports of the Eagles wanting to go in a different direction at QB. That doesn't speak well for what they feel about Hurts, right?

Of course, you do realize that they can both want to make a change and be unable to, yes? Both can be accurate.

Try to keep up.

What is your point? Rumors mean nothing, but you keep buying them? 😂 Hurts is their quarterback no matter how much you beanbaggers cry about it. I told you beanggers Wentz wanted out of Philly, and you didn’t believe that. Turned out to be true. I told you beanbaggers Wentz wasn’t vaccinated, and you beanggers cursed me. You were wrong again. Now I’m telling you for 2022 Hurts is the Eagles quarterback and again you doubt. Who really needs to "keep up” here? 😂🤣😂

2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I’m not expecting anything. I really don’t know how to make this clearer for you or T-1000. I think I’m speaking English here, maybe I’m not. 
 

Let me try this again. I am not saying they will trade picks for a QB. Multiple firsts or anything else. I am not saying they are going to target player X in free agency. I am not saying they are going to target player X in the draft. What I AM saying, is they will have discussions about what they can do to upgrade. I have even said multiple times now, that they may eventually settle on going with Hurts again for next year. I am saying I don’t believe in taking anything they say at face value because this organization has said things in the past and then eventually done something different later. 
 

I really can’t figure out what is so difficult to get about that. I’m not even claiming that I’m making some grand revelation here. This is all mundane stuff I’m saying here. 

All this double talking gibberish. Let me make it simple for you. Come September regardless of all this nonsense you’re spewing Jalen Hurts will be under center. Story over. 

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

All this double talking gibberish. Let me make it simple for you. Come September regardless of all this nonsense you’re spewing Jalen Hurts will be under center. Story over. 

What nonsense? That they are going to discuss options? That isn’t nonsense. It’s their job. 

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Bud we've had a lot of good conversations on Hurts and I know you are a pretty well balanced guy. But come on now you can't think Hurts is possibly the guy for longer than 2022. Howie will be doing what he can to improve this team and that goes for QB too.

Truthfully I have my doubts about Hurts, but this is bigger than him. The Eagles have a terrible cap situation where they’re paying guys who aren’t even on the roster dead cap money and in some cases are paying dead cap money for guys on the roster. The defense and offense as a whole lacks talent and as such the roster needs an upgrade. Does Cousins make this roster better? He couldn’t even make it to the playoffs throwing to Thielen and Jefferson while they’re running with Cook. How about Carr? Does that guy take this roster over the top? I know you better than that. Just forget about Rodgers, Watkins, and Wilson. First of all none of them want to be here to begin with. What about Jimmy G? Does he move the needle? All of these guys contracts are so big the Eagles can’t afford to make proper roster moves without Howie kicking the can down the road a few more years to even get those guys under the cap. The bottom line is even if the Eagles want to upgrade from Hurts they can’t do it this year. They’re crossing their fingers and hoping he gets better or they try and upgrade in 2023 where they have more cap space. Anyone thinking the Eagles are going to make some big quarterback related move this season aren’t really paying attention. 

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

What nonsense? That they are going to discuss options? That isn’t nonsense. It’s their job. 

They’re job is to improve this football team and considering their defense is letting good to great quarterbacks complete over 89% of their passes against them that’s going to be their priority. Of course Howie already told you that in so many words, but you guys just aren’t listening. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

They’re job is to improve this football team and considering their defense is letting good to great quarterbacks complete over 89% of their passes against them that’s going to be their priority. Of course Howie already told you that in so many words, but you guys just aren’t listening. 

False dichotomy. At no time have I said they wouldn’t address the defense. Do you think they only discuss one aspect of the team per offseason?

3 hours ago, judunno said:

Agreed. At the very least you bring in someone to compete. Also Howie lies all the time. 

I thought that’s why Minshew was here? Anyways Howie didn’t lie to you in 2019 when he said he looked at the roster and addressed the positions where players weren’t there at the end of that season and what did he do? He drafted three wide receivers, because Jeffery and Jackson weren’t there and he drafted Hurts, because Wentz wasn’t there and his backup had to play on one leg, and he was 40 years old. So in turn they drafted Hurts. 

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

False dichotomy. At no time have I said they wouldn’t address the defense. Do you think they only discuss one aspect of the team per offseason?

I’m just explaining to you the bigger priority. The clear priority is improving this roster as a whole and not chasing after whoever you think is an upgrade over Hurts that you haven’t even made clear. 

8 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

WTF is the point you are trying to make? 

Burrow doesn't have elite arm talent. Its above average and enough to be successful in the NFL depending on the other things but nowhere near Allen, Rodgers etc. He does do all those other things which can compensate extremely well. 

No real point other than trying to determine two things - What exactly is this mythical, magical arm talent and at what age does a player know he has this wonderful gift? Did Josh Allen get a football in his hands at 5 and threw it for the first time and they said 'this kid was gifted arm talent' or did he have to work on it. If he had to work on it, then wouldnt it go to say that anyone, with enough determination and intestinal fortitude could work on it and get better?

According to some people it is impossible and unimaginable for someone to actual develop this thing called arm talent. That there is no way anyone can actually work on it and get better.

Now knowing that Joe Burrow does not have arm talent, that must mean he is with Jalen Hurts and the other 12 QBs that are in the league that do not have this wonderful and extraordinary gift from the gods that can never, ever be worked on or can ever get better.

3 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

No real point other than trying to determine two things - What exactly is this mythical, magical arm talent and at what age does a player know he has this wonderful gift? Did Josh Allen get a football in his hands at 5 and threw it for the first time and they said 'this kid was gifted arm talent' or did he have to work on it. If he had to work on it, then wouldnt it go to say that anyone, with enough determination and intestinal fortitude could work on it and get better?

According to some people it is impossible and unimaginable for someone to actual develop this thing called arm talent. That there is no way anyone can actually work on it and get better.

Now knowing that Joe Burrow does not have arm talent, that must mean he is with Jalen Hurts and the other 12 QBs that are in the league that do not have this wonderful and extraordinary gift from the gods that can never, ever be worked on or can ever get better.

"Arm talent” is overrated anyways, and frankly isn’t even Jalen’s problem. If Jalen had a weak arm he’s not overthrowing Quez Watkins who is the fastest receiver on the squad. Jalen’s problem is cognitive meaning he takes too long to process what he’s seeing on the field and it often leads to him throwing the ball too late. I also think his mechanics aren’t great where he does a lot of hop throws which tend to sail on him. He’s not stepping into his throws and a lot of this could be due to him constantly throwing on the run. He needs to learn how to trust the pocket and step into his throws which will improve his accuracy. He needs to trust what he sees out there and get the ball to his playmakers though I don’t blame him for having distrust in Jalen Reagor right now. I think this team offensively has too much youth and it’s costing them in games. They need to get a veteran receiver out there Jalen can trust to get the ball to, but he’s going to have to learn to be more patient in the pocket. Bottom line is Jalen has a lot of work to do this off-season but really his arm strength isn’t relevant. Heck Jamarcus Russell could throw the ball 60 yards downfield on one knee and he stunk. Joe Montana’s arm strength wasn’t very good and he’s one of the best all time.

37 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

What is your point? Rumors mean nothing, but you keep buying them? 😂 Hurts is their quarterback no matter how much you beanbaggers cry about it. I told you beanggers Wentz wanted out of Philly, and you didn’t believe that. Turned out to be true. I told you beanbaggers Wentz wasn’t vaccinated, and you beanggers cursed me. You were wrong again. Now I’m telling you for 2022 Hurts is the Eagles quarterback and again you doubt. Who really needs to "keep up” here? 😂🤣😂

If you actually knew what you were talking about or could keep up with what's actually being said, we might be able to have a conversation. Sadly, you're a little behind.

I have repeatedly said that I personally would keep Hurts for next season rather than drop 3 firsts for an aging vet, but keep pulling things out of your ass and bringing Wentz up.

I'll try to dumb it down for you: 

The argument isn't that Hurts isn't a possibility for starting next season. The argument is that coach speak saying "he's our guy" is meaningless, as the Eagles (and the majority of the league) are consistently looking to upgrade at QB.

Is that less confusing for you? 

14 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’m just explaining to you the bigger priority. The clear priority is improving this roster as a whole and not chasing after whoever you think is an upgrade over Hurts that you haven’t even made clear. 

Do you realize you’re not actually refuting anything I’ve said? You’re distracting from it. I never said how they would prioritize the roster. I never said they wouldn’t look to upgrade the defense. I’m not saying they won’t look to possibly upgrade the #2 WR position. What I am saying, and what I’ve been saying since the beginning of this thread is there will be discussions along the way about their options on upgrading at QB also. Nothing more, nothing less. 

5 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Do you realize you’re not actually refuting anything I’ve said? You’re distracting from it. I never said how they would prioritize the roster. I never said they wouldn’t look to upgrade the defense. I’m not saying they won’t look to possibly upgrade the #2 WR position. What I am saying, and what I’ve been saying since the beginning of this thread is there will be discussions along the way about their options on upgrading at QB also. Nothing more, nothing less. 

Well I’m stating they’re not doing anything at quarterback, but I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. 😂

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

Of course, you do realize that they can both want to make a change and be unable to, yes? Both can be accurate.

No, what the Eagles want always happen. 2017/18 was really the only season they have really ever wanted to the Super Bowl and I can prove this you by the fact that is the only year they won. Get it dummy. Wake up! 

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

If you actually knew what you were talking about or could keep up with what's actually being said, we might be able to have a conversation. Sadly, you're a little behind.

I have repeatedly said that I personally would keep Hurts for next season rather than drop 3 firsts for an aging vet, but keep pulling things out of your ass and bringing Wentz up.

I'll try to dumb it down for you: 

The argument isn't that Hurts isn't a possibility for starting next season. The argument is that coach speak saying "he's our guy" is meaningless, as the Eagles (and the majority of the league) are consistently looking to upgrade at QB.

Is that less confusing for you? 

If you’re agreeing with me then why are you arguing with me? We agree Hurts is the best option at least for 2022. What’s your malfunction? Also don’t believe the rumors. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

If you’re agreeing with me then why are you arguing with me? We agree Hurts is the best option at least for 2022. What’s your malfunction? Also don’t believe the rumors. 

I don't agree that he's the best option, only that he may be the only plausible one. 

My point is that many in this thread are taking coach speak as if the Eagles aren't looking to upgrade. Of course they are. Whether they are able to (be it cost/the players age/the other team) remains to be seen.

Aside from that, I don't really care if he gets one more year. I'm obviously looking to upgrade and believe we should explore it. I believe we should explore an open competition. I do NOT believe we should gut our firsts for an old QB with a 40 million cap hit.

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I don't agree that he's the best option, only that he may be the only plausible one. 

My point is that many in this thread are taking coach speak as if the Eagles aren't looking to upgrade. Of course they are. Whether they are able to (be it cost/the players age/the other team) remains to be seen.

Aside from that, I don't really care if he gets one more year. I'm obviously looking to upgrade and believe we should explore it. I believe we should explore an open competition. I do NOT believe we should gut our firsts for an old QB with a 40 million cap hit.

What is the better option? Drafting a quarterback from this years draft? Heck the guys in the third or later might be as good as the first round reaches we will definitely see. Most of these 2022 selections will not be ready to start week one. What’s the other option? Trading for a lesser tier guy like Cousins, Jimmy G, and Carr? Go take a look at their contracts. What’s the next option signing a free agent? The best guy on the market is Winston. Is he that much better for what he’s going to cost? The final option is Minshew. Personally I wouldn’t mind seeing them let those to battle it out for the job; however, the problem is Minshew is on the final year of his deal and now the Eagles would be forced to decide if they roll with him and give him a heart contract or look elsewhere. The bottom line is there are no other good options. 2023 is the target year. 

23 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well I’m stating they’re not doing anything at quarterback, but I’m not sure what you’re trying to say. 😂

 

I don’t think it could be clearer what I’m saying. Throughout their offseason discussions on how to improve the team, QB will be ONE aspect that they will discuss. There will be discussions about trades. There will be discussions about pending free agents. There will be discussions about QBs in the draft. 
 

That’s all I’m saying and all I’ve ever said. I haven’t said Hurts won’t be the guy. I haven’t said they are certain to acquire anyone through any means I’ve mentioned. I have said all options will be discussed. Why? Because that’s their job. 
 

Like I said, this has always been a very mundane comment I made earlier in this thread that you and T-1000 felt the need to blow up for some odd reason. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

"Arm talent” is overrated anyways, and frankly isn’t even Jalen’s problem. If Jalen had a weak arm he’s not overthrowing Quez Watkins who is the fastest receiver on the squad. Jalen’s problem is cognitive meaning he takes too long to process what he’s seeing on the field and it often leads to him throwing the ball too late. I also think his mechanics aren’t great where he does a lot of hop throws which tend to sail on him. He’s not stepping into his throws and a lot of this could be due to him constantly throwing on the run. He needs to learn how to trust the pocket and step into his throws which will improve his accuracy. He needs to trust what he sees out there and get the ball to his playmakers though I don’t blame him for having distrust in Jalen Reagor right now. I think this team offensively has too much youth and it’s costing them in games. They need to get a veteran receiver out there Jalen can trust to get the ball to, but he’s going to have to learn to be more patient in the pocket. Bottom line is Jalen has a lot of work to do this off-season but really his arm strength isn’t relevant. Heck Jamarcus Russell could throw the ball 60 yards downfield on one knee and he stunk. Joe Montana’s arm strength wasn’t very good and he’s one of the best all time.

All those things seem like something a QB could work on and get better at. Personally I don't know if Hurts can get better or not. What I do know is that I am not just going to dismiss a 23 year old kid that seems like a hard worker and wants to get better.

I guess I am just amazed that after watching a team coach up a kid that only played rugby in his life to become a really good tackle in the NFL, that so many people think that it is impossible for Hurts to ever get any better. That what we saw last year was it, that was his ceiling and there is no way in the world that he can ever get better.

I was neither for nor against Hurts at the beginning of the year - all I knew was that he was the starting QB, we didn't know a lot about him and that I hoped for the best. If he worked out awesome,  but if not it was a rebuilding year anyway and they were not just a QB away, so they could just find one in 2022 or 2023.

Now because of all the vitriol and venom that has been spewed at this kid, I am rooting very hard for him. I really hope he works hard, gets better and comes out like gang busters next year just to rub all these people face in the mud.

2 hours ago, pallidrone said:

According to some people it is impossible and unimaginable for someone to actual develop this thing called arm talent.

That is correct.  You either have it or you don't.

Allen, Mahommes, Herbert, Stafford, Rodgers, Wentz, Lamar Jackson have upper echelon arm talent.  These are guys who can throw off platform, do not need their base and significant wind up to throw the ball down the field and into tight windows.  Michael Vick had this type of an arm.  Now looking at some of these guys, Wentz, Jackson and Vick, it is obviously not the only thing you need, you still have to read a defense, diagnose and decide quickly where the ball is going and throw with anticipation.  Those 3 guys come up short in those areas.

Next level of arm talent I would put Brady, Ryan, Carr, Burrow, Cousins, Lawrence, Wilson, Mayfield.  The have a big enough arm, but are not going to be able to drive the ball into tight windows when off platform, but if they are set, they can put enough on the ball to get it into tight windows, but they are going to make their living using a combination of pre snap read, quick decision making, and driving the ball when needed.  Joe Montana and Nick Foles are in this category.  They can get the ball down the field, they can get into tight windows when necessary, but do not throw a deep ball with the ease and trajectory that the upper echelon guys do.

The rest of the leagues QB's are in a 3rd level.  Pre snap read, quick diagnosing, on time throws from a perfect base are needed to get the ball into NFL windows.  This is where Jalen Hurts is.

Now back to your statement about developing arm talent.  Brady has been in the league 20 plus year, Montana is the second best to ever do it.  They did not take the arm they started with and turned into Allen or Rodgers.  You do not develop an elite arm that allows you to throw off time, off base and off platform with ease and velocity.  You either have it or you don't.

 

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I thought that’s why Minshew was here? Anyways Howie didn’t lie to you in 2019 when he said he looked at the roster and addressed the positions where players weren’t there at the end of that season and what did he do? He drafted three wide receivers, because Jeffery and Jackson weren’t there and he drafted Hurts, because Wentz wasn’t there and his backup had to play on one leg, and he was 40 years old. So in turn they drafted Hurts. 

Someone to compete with Hurts AND Minshew. Let's not sit here and pretend these guys can't use some competition. Especially considering that they are both pedestrian QBs at best at this juncture. Iron sharpens iron right? The best will earn it. The only time in these circumstances where you shouldn't have a competition is if you have a certified beast of a QB on the roster. We don't have that.

As for Howie he has a history of lying so I'll leave it at that. Who truly knows what's going on in that man's head other than himself. Besides you never want to show your hand out of desperation.