10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep. Everyone knows he's a bum ass QB.  Except for some morons in here.  

Relax beanbagger! He's going into his third rookie season. Let the rookie develop. Geez.

 

13 minutes ago, NOTW said:

 

Seth isn't a Jalen fan. He legitimately points out a lot of his faults. But he sees the potential as well and realises that Hurts could improve and there is no point in forcing a situation elsewhere.

Former Eagle Acho:

Also watch the whole thing about his personal experience the way Howie dealt with cutting him.

 

 

26 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Former Eagle Acho:

Also watch the whole thing about his personal experience the way Howie dealt with cutting him.

 

 

Acho spitting facts.  Howie said what he should say at the end of season PC.  Howie will also not pass up a chance to improve the QB position if there is an opportunity.

9 hours ago, Swoop said:

I don't agree that he's the best option, only that he may be the only plausible one. 

My point is that many in this thread are taking coach speak as if the Eagles aren't looking to upgrade. Of course they are. Whether they are able to (be it cost/the players age/the other team) remains to be seen.

Aside from that, I don't really care if he gets one more year. I'm obviously looking to upgrade and believe we should explore it. I believe we should explore an open competition. I do NOT believe we should gut our firsts for an old QB with a 40 million cap hit.

 

5 hours ago, NOTW said:

I don't think the answers were on either extreme.  They definitely expressed confidence in Hurts and said he's the starter.  But his first answer wasn't yes, it was vague and the reporter asked "so is that a yes?" 

But Howie also said several times open to opportunities to improve. open to trading picks for a QB. He always leaves open the possibilities. Of course he said build around him.  He has said every year in his post-season press conferences the need to build talent around the QB.  

 

I don't think they are committed to Hurts as the starter, nor should they be. But they are probably pretty safe in saying he's the starter given the other options. Even if they draft someone, chances are Hurts starts, at least for the first part of the year.

In terms of competition/pushing Hurts, Minshew and a rookie will be just fine. We have limited cap and in my view need a WR2, CB2 and starting safety as a minimum in free agency and that, along with our draft picks, should pretty much take up the cap, even with a couple of cuts/restructures.

Still hope Howie finds a way to get an extra first for next year. Puts us in a good position to trade up in a stronger QB draft.

29 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Seth isn't a Jalen fan. He legitimately points out a lot of his faults. But he sees the potential as well and realises that Hurts could improve and there is no point in forcing a situation elsewhere.

And I think most of us who have a fairly balanced view of Hurts accept that he may be the starter next year but there's a chance he may not be. If Howie can make a trade happen then I think he will. But I don't think he'll force it and I don't think he will overpay. 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Seth isn't a Jalen fan. He legitimately points out a lot of his faults. But he sees the potential as well and realises that Hurts could improve and there is no point in forcing a situation elsewhere.

 

Nuh-uh, Seth is just a moron!

8 hours ago, eglz1 said:

The big question to me -- Hurts shows some improvement next year though his weaknesses are still there. How many years do you give him?

Very fair question. I would give him another season because after two full seasons you pretty much have shown where you are as a QB. Alot of us on this board were being attacked for saying wentz wasn't the one after the 2018 season but he got what? Two more seasons after that? 

12 hours ago, pallidrone said:

No real point other than trying to determine two things - What exactly is this mythical, magical arm talent and at what age does a player know he has this wonderful gift? Did Josh Allen get a football in his hands at 5 and threw it for the first time and they said 'this kid was gifted arm talent' or did he have to work on it. If he had to work on it, then wouldnt it go to say that anyone, with enough determination and intestinal fortitude could work on it and get better?

According to some people it is impossible and unimaginable for someone to actual develop this thing called arm talent. That there is no way anyone can actually work on it and get better.

Now knowing that Joe Burrow does not have arm talent, that must mean he is with Jalen Hurts and the other 12 QBs that are in the league that do not have this wonderful and extraordinary gift from the gods that can never, ever be worked on or can ever get better.

Next you are going to tell me Lamar Jackson's speed is mythical. Was Lamar fast at 5 or did he he work on it. Why doesn't Tom Brady work on it and add 1,000 yard rushing season to his resume next year? Reality is of course, you can work a little things like explosion, acceleration etc but there is a natural element there. Similar to that and I made this point earlier, you can improve this at margins and improve other things like mechanics to get the most out of the arm you have but guess what - no matter how hard Hurts works, he will never ever in a million years have Josh Allen's arm and Tom Brady will never run as fast as Lamar Jackson

Go read my post earlier when I tried to explain , that doesn't necessarily mean he can't be a good QB - he just needs to it other ways. Unfortunately, where we stand currently today, he is lacking in a lot of those other areas as well.

10 hours ago, pallidrone said:

Now because of all the vitriol and venom that has been spewed at this kid, I am rooting very hard for him. I really hope he works hard, gets better and comes out like gang busters next year just to rub all these people face in the mud.

Btw, I am also rooting for the guy. I really love his personality and how he conducts himself. I just have serious doubts on his overall talent level at the highest level in the game and see things different as to where he currently stands now i.e. he needs a heck of a lot of improvement in several key areas to develop as a passer. I want to be proven wrong on this one

4 hours ago, downundermike said:

 

Honestly I’m shocked he knew where the ref was to toss him the football.  

That’s great when the opposing defensive coaches are chanting that your qb can’t read.  He really is a laughingstock. 

On 1/19/2022 at 5:33 PM, downundermike said:

Nice cop out

OK, I opened it.  The rumored article is dated September 30, 2021.  I guess....it was just that?  A rumor?

If Lurie gave Howie the green light to trade for him, then there MUST have been some kind of followup?

Let me guess, the inside information that was able to report this "Lurie greenlight" was no longer inside to report what happened with the trade?  I mean nothing, not even a "Howie was willing to offer x and y, but the Texans wanted too much"?  

I mean tell me there isn't more to this posted rumored alleged story, because without the followup it really stinks of a reporter trying to throw some cheese to a wall to see if it would stick.  Tell me I'm wrong.  I'll wait here.

On 1/19/2022 at 5:42 PM, Godfather said:

"Rumors" usual become reality

In this case....the September 30, 2021 rumor did not become reality.

I'd like to check your stats on how "usual" it is for NFL rumors to become reality.  I'd call you out if you said anything higher that 10%....and I'm being generous.

Arm talent:

This throw at 2:18 ... 

 

18 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Let me give you a nickel’s worth of free advice. If you’re going to spend time on a text based message board, learn how to read. At no time ever did I mention any name they would go after. I have no idea who they like. All I said from the beginning was I believe they are going to continue to look at all possible options. You seem to have a problem with my belief that they aren’t 100% sold on Hurts in spite of what they say, and clearly that’s causing the sand in your V to flare up. I’ve even said a couple times, Hurts may very well end up being the guy next year. That does not mean they aren’t going to look at and discuss all options. 
 

Get it now?

You are seriously one dumb mofo. That was EXACTLY my point. 

You telling people to learn how to read......and isn't ironic....don't you think........

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

That’s great when the opposing defensive coaches are chanting that your qb can’t read.  He really is a laughingstock. 

Once again I'm sick and tired of all this negativity.  Just have Hurts read this book during the offseason and he'll be Peyton Manning by September.  Problem solved.  You got anything else you wanna whine about bean bagger?

 

7 hours ago, T-1000 said:

You are seriously one dumb mofo. That was EXACTLY my point. 

You telling people to learn how to read......and isn't ironic....don't you think........

It was a stupid point, as it was never part of my point to begin with. I said there would be discussions about all other options. You want names? You know the names out there. Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, Carr and others will be discussed. Free agents? Winston is the only name I know of off hand, I’m sure they have a list of others. Draft picks? If you follow college then you know the QBs entering the draft. Those are your names. You are still too stupid to realize I never mentioned any specific name they would go after. I’m sure your plan was to get me to name one to try and get me in a "gotcha” later on but your plan failed. For the umpteenth time, my claim has been and still is that the team will talk about all their options as part of the their offseason plans. Why?

 

Its their job. This isn’t difficult to figure out and never has been. 

On 1/19/2022 at 3:46 PM, What The F said:

So, if Carson Strong is there when we pick in the 2nd round, you pass him up?...   

I wouldn't pass him at 19.

On 1/19/2022 at 8:34 PM, Procus said:

I would translate what I heard today into the team keeping Hurts as a placeholder at QB until better long term options become available.  Don't see the team mortgaging the future at this stage.

Hurts has his detractors here, and I'm not a big fan.  But if the organizational goal right now is to rebuild the team, Hurts can be an acceptable option for the next year or two.  He's diligent, well liked, has a good attitude, and has had some success on the field.  He also has a good contract.  I see short term stability with him.  Long term he's not the answer. 

The WRs on the sidelines didn't look like they liked Hurts a whole lot on Sunday.

I completely understand (and agree with) the rationale that we should not over-invest or reach for a suboptimal QB solution, that we should invest in the rest of the team, and that we need to accept a placeholder until the right option becomes available.  That's a wise approach.

I absolutely do not think Hurts is good enough to be a placeholder.  I truly believe he is the worst starting QB, as a passer, in the entire NFL.  Rookies, Daniel Jones, Teddy Bridgewater, Sam Darnold....stats be damned...I believe they are all vastly superior passers to Hurts.  I also believe that a strong majority of NFL backup QBs are much better passers than Hurts.

He's that horrific.  And I don't see him as being good enough to be a placeholder starter.

On 1/20/2022 at 7:26 AM, EazyEaglez said:

All this double talking gibberish. Let me make it simple for you. Come September regardless of all this nonsense you’re spewing Jalen Hurts will be under center. Story over. 

No he won’t. He will be in shotgun. 

This thread has a lot of discussion about "arm talent" and "arm strength". The terms seem to be used interchangeably when in my mind at least, they are not the same. Arm Strength to me comprises ball velocity and perhaps ball placement. Arm talent to me much more, arm strength being one component. Knowing to who, when, where to throw the ball seems a part of "arm talent". Having a very good idea of how defense will try to take away my targets so I can counter it seems a part of "arm talent" (really how to play Quarterback).

 

16 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep. Everyone knows he's a bum ass QB.  Except for some morons in here.  

It's kinda cute  that they are coming back to try and defend their man crush. That said yes he can improve, but it won't be enough to make him enough to ever win a super bowl.