Is this when people start fawning for Mayfield now and convincing themselves he’s the answer?

He's an upgrade over Hurts

30 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Is this when people start fawning for Mayfield now and convincing themselves he’s the answer?

Yes it is - lol

Does this mean Hurts will update his social media?

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

He's an upgrade over Hurts

Nelson Agholor is an upgrade over Jalen Reagor, but that doesn’t me he’s a good idea either. 🤷‍♂️

59 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

Yes it is - lol

Sounds like Mayfield wants to go to the Colts. Oh well I guess they’re stuck and will be crying like babies over Hurts all season. 😂🤣😂

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Is this when people start fawning for Mayfield now and convincing themselves he’s the answer?

F no. I think he's better, but unless it were a direct swap (including salary and all), I have no interest. Seeing as how that isn't happening: 

Hurts/Minshew/Rookie (IF they take one, not advocating doing so) and evaluate next season.

29 minutes ago, Swoop said:

F no. I think he's better, but unless it were a direct swap (including salary and all), I have no interest. Seeing as how that isn't happening: 

Hurts/Minshew/Rookie (IF they take one, not advocating doing so) and evaluate next season.

2022 was never going to be the big push season anyways. 2023 is the best chance for anything to happen. At this point I wouldn’t rule out drafting a quarterback, but I never thought any of these other guys were real options and more importantly none of them would’ve taken this roster to the level it needs to be at. They really need to infuse this roster with more young talent. The best case scenario is for Hurts to take that next step, but if he can’t then they need to have some kind of backup plan. My guess is Howie either drafts someone high this year or he trades back in an attempt to pick up a first for the 2023 draft. I still would have liked to see them pick up a receiver via free agency, but I don’t think they realized the market would be as crazy as it was. 

12 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

2022 was never going to be the big push season anyways. 2023 is the best chance for anything to happen. At this point I wouldn’t rule out drafting a quarterback, but I never thought any of these other guys were real options and more importantly none of them would’ve taken this roster to the level it needs to be at. They really need to infuse this roster with more young talent. The best case scenario is for Hurts to take that next step, but if he can’t then they need to have some kind of backup plan. My guess is Howie either drafts someone high this year or he trades back in an attempt to pick up a first for the 2023 draft. I still would have liked to see them pick up a receiver via free agency, but I don’t think they realized the market would be as crazy as it was. 

IF Howie doesn't royally screw up, we might be in good shape in the next few seasons. While it wildly depends on the QB situation, look at the rest of the NFC..it's largely garbage.

14 hours ago, Swoop said:

F no. I think he's better, but unless it were a direct swap (including salary and all), I have no interest. Seeing as how that isn't happening: 

Hurts/Minshew/Rookie (IF they take one, not advocating doing so) and evaluate next season.

 

14 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

2022 was never going to be the big push season anyways. 2023 is the best chance for anything to happen. At this point I wouldn’t rule out drafting a quarterback, but I never thought any of these other guys were real options and more importantly none of them would’ve taken this roster to the level it needs to be at. They really need to infuse this roster with more young talent. The best case scenario is for Hurts to take that next step, but if he can’t then they need to have some kind of backup plan. My guess is Howie either drafts someone high this year or he trades back in an attempt to pick up a first for the 2023 draft. I still would have liked to see them pick up a receiver via free agency, but I don’t think they realized the market would be as crazy as it was. 

I think it's a great year to take a project QB late. If there is one the Eagles like 3rd round or later, snap him up. Minshew will probably be gone in 2023 and if the guy develops, you may have a cheap backup for whoever the QB is in 2023. And maybe something more.

4 hours ago, Swoop said:

IF Howie doesn't royally screw up, we might be in good shape in the next few seasons. While it wildly depends on the QB situation, look at the rest of the NFC..it's largely garbage.

 

3 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

I think it's a great year to take a project QB late. If there is one the Eagles like 3rd round or later, snap him up. Minshew will probably be gone in 2023 and if the guy develops, you may have a cheap backup for whoever the QB is in 2023. And maybe something more.

Overall I’m not too worried about the quarterback situation just yet. If Hurts doesn’t improve it will need to be addressed for sure. I feel like they will have the assets and or cap money to deal with that by 2023.

15 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

 

Overall I’m not too worried about the quarterback situation just yet. If Hurts doesn’t improve it will need to be addressed for sure. I feel like they will have the assets and or cap money to deal with that by 2023.

But I think for Hurts to improve there's 2 sides to that. One he needs to work on his mechanics and timing so he personally needs to improve. Two the team need to help him with more talent. They need to add a good X receiver and so far (I'll caveat everything right now with early days) they haven't done that. They aren't helping their young QB in that respect. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But I think for Hurts to improve there's 2 sides to that. One he needs to work on his mechanics and timing so he personally needs to improve. Two the team need to help him with more talent. They need to add a good X receiver and so far (I'll caveat everything right now with early days) they haven't done that. They aren't helping their young QB in that respect. 

I agree, and I’d prefer not to see another Howie pick, but rather they brought in a veteran. Really don’t want to see another year of Reagor out there as an option without putting someone out there to force him to earn his spot. I was hoping they would’ve gotten a bigger target too. At this point I’m having a hard time seeing what will be different from 2021 to 2022. 

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But I think for Hurts to improve there's 2 sides to that. One he needs to work on his mechanics and timing so he personally needs to improve. Two the team need to help him with more talent. They need to add a good X receiver and so far (I'll caveat everything right now with early days) they haven't done that. They aren't helping their young QB in that respect. 

They certainly are helping him by building a run first offense with a pile driver OLine in a passing league.  The talent infusion is coming through draft and (I think) FA at more reasonable prices. The question really is...will he improve to help those around him grow and have success? To date, he's been the limiting factor to his receivers' development and to Siri's implementation of a sustainable NFL offense.

I say all that knowing that Howie is the trigger man for our current situation and any future improvement.  So, who knows?

4 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I agree, and I’d prefer not to see another Howie pick, but rather they brought in a veteran. Really don’t want to see another year of Reagor out there as an option without putting someone out there to force him to earn his spot. I was hoping they would’ve gotten a bigger target too. At this point I’m having a hard time seeing what will be different from 2021 to 2022. 

Howie just doesn't draft skills positions well. He's good at drafting in the trenches but he's not good at receivers and corners. And he doesn't touch S and LB. I know we have 3 first round draft picks, I know we have the potential to build something but we have the wrong GM. End of. 

3 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

They certainly are helping him by building a run first offense with a pile driver OLine in a passing league.  The talent infusion is coming through draft and (I think) FA at more reasonable prices. The question really is...will he improve to help those around him grow and have success? To date, he's been the limiting factor to his receivers' development and to Siri's implementation of a sustainable NFL offense.

I say all that knowing that Howie is the trigger man for our current situation and any future improvement.  So, who knows?

I don't disagree that Hurts held Smith back to some extent. I think with a good passing QB Smith would have easily surpassed 1,000 yards. But they still need someone opposite him and that can't be heavy Watkins and it can't be Reagor. 

54 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Howie just doesn't draft skills positions well. He's good at drafting in the trenches but he's not good at receivers and corners. And he doesn't touch S and LB. I know we have 3 first round draft picks, I know we have the potential to build something but we have the wrong GM. End of. 

I don't disagree that Hurts held Smith back to some extent. I think with a good passing QB Smith would have easily surpassed 1,000 yards. But they still need someone opposite him and that can't be heavy Watkins and it can't be Reagor. 

We will see how the draft goes. It is possible Howie uses one of these picks to trade for a veteran wide receiver too. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't disagree that Hurts held Smith back to some extent. I think with a good passing QB Smith would have easily surpassed 1,000 yards. But they still need someone opposite him and that can't be heavy Watkins and it can't be Reagor. 

Agree to an extent, but Hurts held the whole offense back.  I believe Howie deals with the WR before the season starts (and takes that excuse away), but that does not change missing wide open receivers, not being able to read defenses, pocket impatience, and rarely throwing left. It's not hard to imagine that every skill player look better with even average QB play.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

We will see how the draft goes. It is possible Howie uses one of these picks to trade for a veteran wide receiver too. 

He could do yeah but he seems to be clearing out...

4 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Agree to an extent, but Hurts held the whole offense back.  I believe Howie deals with the WR before the season starts (and takes that excuse away), but that does not change missing wide open receivers, not being able to read defenses, pocket impatience, and rarely throwing left. It's not hard to imagine that every skill player look better with even average QB play.

Yeah I mean look we know Hurts struggled with accuracy. We know he has limitations in terms of his arm strength and his reading of defenses. So yes better QB play absolutely improves those around him. 

16 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But I think for Hurts to improve there's 2 sides to that. One he needs to work on his mechanics and timing so he personally needs to improve. Two the team need to help him with more talent. They need to add a good X receiver and so far (I'll caveat everything right now with early days) they haven't done that. They aren't helping their young QB in that respect. 

I'm not sure they're all that interested in helping Hurts if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Surrounding him with more receiving talent could actually further expose his weaknesses which really isn't good for him or us. I just don't think it would be wise to invest too much in the passing game until our QB situation is more clear and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're thinking too. It;s not like making other investments doesn't help Hurts too.

5 hours ago, Thing3 said:

I'm not sure they're all that interested in helping Hurts if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Surrounding him with more receiving talent could actually further expose his weaknesses which really isn't good for him or us. I just don't think it would be wise to invest too much in the passing game until our QB situation is more clear and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're thinking too. It;s not like making other investments doesn't help Hurts too.

Huh? Surrounding him with more receiving talent means defenses will have to pay some attention to that which could open up the run game more for him. Alternatively if he does struggle with more receiving talent then we know he's not the answer. 

Baker Mayfield isn't an upgrade on Hurts, look at the guys numbers last year, it's a wash at best. Like swapping a basic Buick Encore of a passer for the GX but it costs you $17million guaranteed money to do it and the Encore GX only has 2 wheels.

Mayfield is Carson Wentz 2.0, a guy who a franchise spent 4 years trying to convince themselves was better and more consistent than he was, Nick Mullens and Case Keenum both had higher QBR than Mayfield in spots starts last year.

10 hours ago, Thing3 said:

I'm not sure they're all that interested in helping Hurts if it means making sacrifices elsewhere. Surrounding him with more receiving talent could actually further expose his weaknesses which really isn't good for him or us. I just don't think it would be wise to invest too much in the passing game until our QB situation is more clear and I wouldn't be surprised if that's what they're thinking too. It;s not like making other investments doesn't help Hurts too.

If the Eagles can land a quality WR, they should.  The next QB deserves that.  There's no worry that Hurts will ever maximize the roster or scheme. The team has to think longer term, Hurts isn't  getting a 2nd contract.

50 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

If the Eagles can land a quality WR, they should.  The next QB deserves that.  There's no worry that Hurts will ever maximize the roster or scheme. The team has to think longer term, Hurts isn't  getting a 2nd contract.

The thing that may suck is if Hurts proves to not be starting QB material... That may wreck his trade value as a QB and make teams see him as someone that should change positions. So then we are most likely stuck with him or is only worth a mid to late round pick. 

16 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

The thing that may suck is if Hurts proves to not be starting QB material... That may wreck his trade value as a QB and make teams see him as someone that should change positions. So then we are most likely stuck with him or is only worth a mid to late round pick. 

And that is why I think we should trade him this year and ride a rookie or Minshew.  We aren't going anywhere this year and need to get what we can right now.  It's a mistake to ride him into a contract year and then decide.  He's healthy and some people are still fooled.  My hope is that Howie has that in mind entering the draft.  

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

And that is why I think we should trade him this year and ride a rookie or Minshew.  We aren't going anywhere this year and need to get what we can right now.  It's a mistake to ride him into a contract year and then decide.  My hope is that Howie has that in mind entering the draft.  

They might think he can take that next leap, though. Everything to me says otherwise, given their interest in other QBs, but who knows? 

While I don't think it'll happen (everyone should know this by now) it would put us in such a great position if he took a big step forward this season.