2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

They might think he can take that next leap, though. Everything to me says otherwise, given their interest in other QBs, but who knows? 

While I don't think it'll happen (everyone should know this by now) it would put us in such a great position if he took a big step forward this season.

No disagreement from me about the benefit of him taking a big step forward.  I just don't see it and wouldn't cripple the future hoping that he beats the odds.   No matter what I don't ever see him being "elite" or leading us to a Super Bowl....that's still the goal, I hope.

38 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

And that is why I think we should trade him this year and ride a rookie or Minshew.  We aren't going anywhere this year and need to get what we can right now.  It's a mistake to ride him into a contract year and then decide.  He's healthy and some people are still fooled.  My hope is that Howie has that in mind entering the draft.  

Not sure if anyone in the league is fooled, just fans. Players always hype each other up so I don't put their opinions into consideration good or bad. A second was spent on him and wouldn't get a second back for him, or gain value to a one. It would be a cut your losses move from him. I wouldn't mind a minshew year because I think he is an Alex Smith type. He will keep you competitive until you go get someone and then can trade him off for some value

From an Eagles reporter.

"There are people out there who believe that Jalen Hurts, with his unique skill set and peerless work ethic, has a chance to grow into an elite quarterback. Then there are others who believe Hurts’ issues with accuracy, inconsistency and reliance on running mean he’ll never develop into a guy who can consistently lead a team on deep playoff runs. Both are valid opinions. I fall somewhere in the middle. But what really irks me is the "HE CAN’T PLAY” crowd. You've seen 'em. You've heard 'em. There’s a significant group of Eagles fans who throw this out there whenever Hurts’ name comes up. Usually followed by "LOL.” Does Hurts need to improve his accuracy? Yep. Does he need to learn to throw with more anticipation? Sure. Does he need to go through his progressions faster? Most definitely. But "HE CAN’T PLAY?” He can play and that’s not up for debate. The only question is his upside. Jalen Hurts will be in the NFL a long time in some role."

 

10 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

From an Eagles reporter.

"There are people out there who believe that Jalen Hurts, with his unique skill set and peerless work ethic, has a chance to grow into an elite quarterback. Then there are others who believe Hurts’ issues with accuracy, inconsistency and reliance on running mean he’ll never develop into a guy who can consistently lead a team on deep playoff runs. Both are valid opinions. I fall somewhere in the middle. But what really irks me is the "HE CAN’T PLAY” crowd. You've seen 'em. You've heard 'em. There’s a significant group of Eagles fans who throw this out there whenever Hurts’ name comes up. Usually followed by "LOL.” Does Hurts need to improve his accuracy? Yep. Does he need to learn to throw with more anticipation? Sure. Does he need to go through his progressions faster? Most definitely. But "HE CAN’T PLAY?” He can play and that’s not up for debate. The only question is his upside. Jalen Hurts will be in the NFL a long time in some role."

 

And nobody thinks he doesn't belong in the NFL...some thinks he's around 17th best, some think he get around top 10, others think he will be pushed out of the top 20 when the young guys get better 

There’s a lot that actually believe this too

36 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

And nobody thinks he doesn't belong in the NFL...some thinks he's around 17th best, some think he get around top 10, others think he will be pushed out of the top 20 when the young guys get better 

Yep. At the very least, he can be a good backup. Don't think he'll ever be elite or even close to it.

12 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yep. At the very least, he can be a good backup. Don't think he'll ever be elite or even close to it.

That's my thought process. He will be a spot starter for a decade make his money and then become a coach somewhere

7 hours ago, Swoop said:

They might think he can take that next leap, though. Everything to me says otherwise, given their interest in other QBs, but who knows? 

While I don't think it'll happen (everyone should know this by now) it would put us in such a great position if he took a big step forward this season.

I don't understand why people are so impatient with quarterbacks.  Hurts is all of 23 and has yet to go through a normal season.  Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first season. Aaron Rodgers completed 35 passes in his first three years combined.  Drew Brees was so pedestrian the Chargers drafted his replacement (Philip Rivers) in his 3rd season. From a Boston Globe article from a few years ago about the new life expectancy of quarterbacks:

The sweet spot for quarterback development appears to be Year 6. It took Peyton Manning until his sixth NFL season just to win a playoff game. Same with Brees, who was left for dead by the Chargers. And same with Rodgers, although his first three seasons were spent on the bench. 

Given how long it has taken these future Hall of Famers to find their groove (Brady and Big Ben were seen more as caretakers than gunslingers when they won their first Super Bowls), and how well they are playing well into their 30s, it's time to recalibrate our Life Expectancy of an NFL Quarterback.

There are myriad reasons for why quarterbacks don't thrive right away. And history tells us that some of these "mediocre" quarterbacks might turn out to be pretty good, if we can just give them a little time.

I'm not suggesting Hurts will magically turn into Aaron Rodgers, but I am saying anyone who thinks a 23 year old quarterback is fully formed after two years of Covid-driven obstacles is rushing to judgment and doesn't understand the position. 

8 hours ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

If the Eagles can land a quality WR, they should.  The next QB deserves that.  There's no worry that Hurts will ever maximize the roster or scheme. The team has to think longer term, Hurts isn't  getting a 2nd contract.

Depends on who they can land, for how long and how much. Drafting a WR makes sense. I believe any WR talent we get is going to largely be wasted as long as Hurts is our QB.

1 hour ago, Hawkeye said:

I don't understand why people are so impatient with quarterbacks.  Hurts is all of 23 and has yet to go through a normal season.  Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first season. Aaron Rodgers completed 35 passes in his first three years combined.  Drew Brees was so pedestrian the Chargers drafted his replacement (Philip Rivers) in his 3rd season. From a Boston Globe article from a few years ago about the new life expectancy of quarterbacks:

The sweet spot for quarterback development appears to be Year 6. It took Peyton Manning until his sixth NFL season just to win a playoff game. Same with Brees, who was left for dead by the Chargers. And same with Rodgers, although his first three seasons were spent on the bench. 

Given how long it has taken these future Hall of Famers to find their groove (Brady and Big Ben were seen more as caretakers than gunslingers when they won their first Super Bowls), and how well they are playing well into their 30s, it's time to recalibrate our Life Expectancy of an NFL Quarterback.

There are myriad reasons for why quarterbacks don't thrive right away. And history tells us that some of these "mediocre" quarterbacks might turn out to be pretty good, if we can just give them a little time.

I'm not suggesting Hurts will magically turn into Aaron Rodgers, but I am saying anyone who thinks a 23 year old quarterback is fully formed after two years of Covid-driven obstacles is rushing to judgment and doesn't understand the position. 

Couldn't the same be said for a 25yo QB who has only played 1 more season than Hurts and has played in nearly the same amount of games as Hurts?  Maybe that QB needs 2-3 more years for him to hit his stride and full potential?  However, for some reason most people think that QB is what he is and can't improve, but we're all supposed to believe that Hurts just needs time and he will not only just improve, but improve to the level of a franchise QB?  The context missing from this simple equation is that Hurts has way more flaws in his game than any of the QBs mentioned above.  He has much more to overcome and improve upon and his talent level isn't as good as the others so to use those QBs as examples in comparison to Hurts is a bit off the mark.

Sure, he's not fully formed, but, he does come from a football family where his dad was HC for 2 HS teams and he played at 2 elite colleges where he would have gotten better coaching than most QBs at the time.  When you consider this then you'd think he should be further along the curve than he is and not have so many holes in his game.  Can he improve?  Sure he can.  The question is can he improve enough?  And I, like many others here, don't think that he can improve enough to lead a team on a playoff run chasing a SB.

 

Just a reminder, Hurts is a back up QB at best in the NFL, who is only a weak placeholder till we can get a real QB, mainly because Howie will force him to start to get his value (and save face) out of his 2nd rd pick. Just like we did with JJAW and Reagor.     

 

Carry on. 

17 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

Couldn't the same be said for a 25yo QB who has only played 1 more season than Hurts and has played in nearly the same amount of games as Hurts?  Maybe that QB needs 2-3 more years for him to hit his stride and full potential?  However, for some reason most people think that QB is what he is and can't improve, but we're all supposed to believe that Hurts just needs time and he will not only just improve, but improve to the level of a franchise QB?  The context missing from this simple equation is that Hurts has way more flaws in his game than any of the QBs mentioned above.  He has much more to overcome and improve upon and his talent level isn't as good as the others so to use those QBs as examples in comparison to Hurts is a bit off the mark.

Sure, he's not fully formed, but, he does come from a football family where his dad was HC for 2 HS teams and he played at 2 elite colleges where he would have gotten better coaching than most QBs at the time.  When you consider this then you'd think he should be further along the curve than he is and not have so many holes in his game.  Can he improve?  Sure he can.  The question is can he improve enough?  And I, like many others here, don't think that he can improve enough to lead a team on a playoff run chasing a SB.

 

All fair points. I'm just saying we live in a microwave world where quarterbacks are expected to be ready in minutes and not everyone develops at the same rate.  This isn't just Hurts, but a lot of young guys.

And for what it's worth, the Eagles really seem to like Hurts.  They took him early, thought he was viable enough to dump Wentz, passed on Justin Fields in last year's draft in favor of of his Alabama teammate Smith.   Nothing they've done (or not done) this offseason gives any indication they're looking to make a change, at least not now. 

20 hours ago, Hawkeye said:

I don't understand why people are so impatient with quarterbacks.  Hurts is all of 23 and has yet to go through a normal season.

 

It's a product of the times and this generation that demands truly instant gratification with everything in life, but especially QBs. To an extent, the quick emergence of QBs like Cam Newton and a few others as rookies in the last decade has led to this unrealistic expectation that any QB worthy of starting will demonstrate eliteness as a rookie. Rookie QBs used to barely even get a start, let alone acquit themselves as upper-tier material, but now this is viewed as the rule, rather than the exception. The Twitter generation's excessive demand wanting everything and wanting it right now has only compounded this impatience, which is further encouraged by hot-take artists masquerading as "experts" and "insiders" and saying whatever provocative thing that will generate the most clicks rather than providing level-headed analysis and that is thought-provoking.

19 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It's a product of the times and this generation who demands truly instant gratification with everything in life, but especially QBs. To an extent, the quick emergence of QBs like Cam Newton and a few others as rookies in the last decade has led to this unrealistic expectation that any QB worthy of starting will demonstrate eliteness as a rookie. Rookie QBs used to barely even get a start, let alone acquit themselves as upper-tier material, but now this is viewed as the rule, rather than the exception. The Twitter generation's excessive demand wanting everything and wanting it right now has only compounded this impatience, which is further encouraged by hot-take artists masquerading as "experts" and "insiders" and saying whatever provocative thing that will generate the most clicks rather than providing level-headed analysis and  being thought-provoking.

Good analysis.

Remember the olden days, when the Eagles drafted Wentz with the idea that he'd sit behind Bradford for a year and get his bearings?  That didn't last long...

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It's a product of the times and this generation that demands truly instant gratification with everything in life, but especially QBs. To an extent, the quick emergence of QBs like Cam Newton and a few others as rookies in the last decade has led to this unrealistic expectation that any QB worthy of starting will demonstrate eliteness as a rookie. Rookie QBs used to barely even get a start, let alone acquit themselves as upper-tier material, but now this is viewed as the rule, rather than the exception. The Twitter generation's excessive demand wanting everything and wanting it right now has only compounded this impatience, which is further encouraged by hot-take artists masquerading as "experts" and "insiders" and saying whatever provocative thing that will generate the most clicks rather than providing level-headed analysis and that is thought-provoking.

Agree with quite a bit of it, but I also believe that fans have become more aware of how to scout players and not just go off of what they are being told. They also have an access to the tape and scouting reports that just weren't there til a decade ago. With that information, fans begin looking for the same traits and all scouts and teams do and are quick to dismiss the hearsay versus what they have seen on tape and field.

I don't think it's unfair to say that fans can also over analyze and nitpick things that are beyond a players control that teams know more of why something didn't occur like camera angle versus progression. Guy looks open, but the play had already moved on, etc.

On 3/21/2022 at 9:55 AM, jsb235 said:

From an Eagles reporter.

"There are people out there who believe that Jalen Hurts, with his unique skill set and peerless work ethic, has a chance to grow into an elite quarterback. Then there are others who believe Hurts’ issues with accuracy, inconsistency and reliance on running mean he’ll never develop into a guy who can consistently lead a team on deep playoff runs. Both are valid opinions. I fall somewhere in the middle. But what really irks me is the "HE CAN’T PLAY” crowd. You've seen 'em. You've heard 'em. There’s a significant group of Eagles fans who throw this out there whenever Hurts’ name comes up. Usually followed by "LOL.” Does Hurts need to improve his accuracy? Yep. Does he need to learn to throw with more anticipation? Sure. Does he need to go through his progressions faster? Most definitely. But "HE CAN’T PLAY?” He can play and that’s not up for debate. The only question is his upside. Jalen Hurts will be in the NFL a long time in some role."

 

I think he can't play and it's not up for debate.

What do you call a QB who has issues with accuracy, has issues with anticipation, has issues with progressions, has issues with arm strength, has issues with decision-making???  That's a QB who can't play.  

Just now, eagle45 said:

I think he can't play and it's not up for debate.

What do you all a QB who has issues with accuracy, has issues with anticipation, has issues with progressions, has issues with arm strength, has issues with decision-making???  That's a QB who can't play.  

Yet here you are debating...

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Agree with quite a bit of it, but I also believe that fans have become more aware of how to scout players and not just go off of what they are being told. They also have an access to the tape and scouting reports that just weren't there til a decade ago. With that information, fans begin looking for the same traits and all scouts and teams do and are quick to dismiss the hearsay versus what they have seen on tape and field.

I don't think it's unfair to say that fans can also over analyze and nitpick things that are beyond a players control that teams know more of why something didn't occur like camera angle versus progression. Guy looks open, but the play had already moved on, etc.

 

This is an interesting take that I hadn't really considered. I definitely think the average fan has the ability to be way more informed than we did 15 or 20 years ago. We have access to more information and better resources than ever before. At the same time, though, I think the average fan today tends to inflate their own analytical abilities to the point where they think that they're an expert just because they watched some coaches tape. People also have just as much access time disinformation as well. So, people have the ability to learn more, but they also overestimate the extent of their expertise and tens to easily fall for misinformation that confirms their biases.

28 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

This is an interesting take that I hadn't really considered. I definitely think the average fan has the ability to be way more informed than we did 15 or 20 years ago. At the same time, though, I think the average fan today tends to inflate their own analytical abilities to the point where they think that they're no an expert just because they watched some coaches tape. So, people have the ability to learn more, but they're also overestimate the extent of their expertise.

I just think an average fan now has more general information at what they are looking at than ever. Even fake know it all's are reciting from better sources than before. The argument of statistics versus eye test will always be a thing, but with things like PFF, stat guys have far more ammunition than ever before. My own personal gripe the older I get is tired of hearing "this guy is a Philly guy" or "he couldn't survive here"... I would take princess Rodgers over blue collar Hurts any day of the week...and I can't stand Rodgers the person. I think I'm not the only one who gets tired of the constant underdog obsession with this place.

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I just think an average fan now has more general information at what they are looking at than ever. Even fake know it all's are reciting from better sources than before. The argument of statistics versus eye test will always be a thing, but with things like PFF, stat guys have far more ammunition than ever before. My own personal gripe the older I get is tired of hearing "this guy is a Philly guy" or "he couldn't survive here"... I would take princess Rodgers over blue collar Hurts any day of the week...and I can't stand Rodgers the person. I think I'm not the only one who gets tired of the constant underdog obsession with this place.

Rodgers, for all his greatness, has the same amount of SB wins as Nick Foles.  I mean, the sayings are spot on in some cases - just look at Ben Simmons and Carson Wentz, lol. Both were mentally weak and couldn't cut it in Philly.  Also, after seeing how Rodgers acted during the last offseason I suspect he couldn't survive here either.

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Rodgers, for all his greatness, has the same amount of SB wins as Nick Foles.  I mean, the sayings are spot on in some cases - just look at Ben Simmons and Carson Wentz, lol. Both were mentally weak and couldn't cut it in Philly.  Also, after seeing how Rodgers acted during the last offseason I suspect he couldn't survive here either.

I'll take NFC championship games over and over versus a wandering QB. These are the arguments that I am talking about. Nick has never been able to sustain any momentum in his career versus a man who every one knew was going to the hall of fame after his third year starting. Philly would worship him if he was here. Ben's lack of work ethic was why he didn't survive here...not because he wasn't a "Philly guy". Your point is the annoying vagueness that I can't stand. 

14 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I'll take NFC championship games over and over versus a wandering QB. These are the arguments that I am talking about. Nick has never been able to sustain any momentum in his career versus a man who every one knew was going to the hall of fame after his third year starting. Philly would worship him if he was here. Ben's lack of work ethic was why he didn't survive here...not because he wasn't a "Philly guy". Your point is the annoying vagueness that I can't stand. 

We had that with McNabb and many fans still weren't happy lol.

Nick Foles was always good with Philly though. The Rams under Fisher were awful and no QB had success while he was there. Jacksonville sucked once they broke up their defense and even Minshew sucked there. The bears have been awful for an eternity and the Chiefs had their guy in Smith already, who was consistently taking them to the playoffs.  

Again, Ben's lack of work ethic and mental fortitude is why he didn't survive. These are the very things many are praising Hurts for.  I'm not being vague whatsoever.

On 3/21/2022 at 9:55 AM, jsb235 said:

From an Eagles reporter.

"There are people out there who believe that Jalen Hurts, with his unique skill set and peerless work ethic, has a chance to grow into an elite quarterback. ."

 

This right here shows you the reporter is FOS and biased.  Peerless work ethic?  Hurts is the first QB to work hard?  

And what's unique about his skill set?  He runs well.  That's his skill set.  Lots of QBs run well.  What's unique about his skill set is just how bad his passing skill set is.

Unique implies something positive about his skill set.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This right here shows you the reporter is FOS and biased.  Peerless work ethic?  Hurts is the first QB to work hard?  

And what's unique about his skill set?  He runs well.  That's his skill set.  Lots of QBs run well.  What's unique about his skill set is just how bad his passing skill set is.

Unique implies something positive about his skill set.

I think you proved that you're "FOS and biased" by quoting out of context.

"There are people out there who believe that Jalen Hurts, with his unique skill set and peerless work ethic, has a chance to grow into an elite quarterback. Then there are others who believe Hurts’ issues with accuracy, inconsistency and reliance on running mean he’ll never develop into a guy who can consistently lead a team on deep playoff runs. Both are valid opinions. "

How totally unbiased of you to leave that out to make a point! 😅

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This right here shows you the reporter is FOS and biased.  Peerless work ethic?  Hurts is the first QB to work hard?  

And what's unique about his skill set?  He runs well.  That's his skill set.  Lots of QBs run well.  What's unique about his skill set is just how bad his passing skill set is.

Unique implies something positive about his skill set.

It sounds like something Spadaro would have written