41 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I think you proved that you're "FOS and biased" by quoting out of context.

"There are people out there who believe that Jalen Hurts, with his unique skill set and peerless work ethic, has a chance to grow into an elite quarterback. Then there are others who believe Hurts’ issues with accuracy, inconsistency and reliance on running mean he’ll never develop into a guy who can consistently lead a team on deep playoff runs. Both are valid opinions. "

How totally unbiased of you to leave that out to make a point! 😅

But unique skill set and peerless work ethic are fluff, meaningless terms.  Your bolded component are indisputable facts.

 

41 minutes ago, MF POON said:

We had that with McNabb and many fans still weren't happy lol.

Nick Foles was always good with Philly though. The Rams under Fisher were awful and no QB had success while he was there. Jacksonville sucked once they broke up their defense and even Minshew sucked there. The bears have been awful for an eternity and the Chiefs had their guy in Smith already, who was consistently taking them to the playoffs.  

Again, Ben's lack of work ethic and mental fortitude is why he didn't survive. These are the very things many are praising Hurts for.  I'm not being vague whatsoever.

Hurts has work ethic and high level mobility.  If he can ever become an above average passer, he would be a decent starter...but he doesn't have that over the top trait that makes him elite. Mcnabb, Allen and Vick had absolute rockets and just needed to learn touch....if Jalen had that arm strength, he would probably have stronger support. Not adequate, but elite. 

Arm strength 6/10

Accuracy 6/10

Reading coverage 4/10

Decision making 5/10

Mobility 10/10

I think he's a top 3 runner, but average everywhere else. If his decision making could reach above average (7/10 or above) I think he would get far more support. When I say decision making, that includes him stop being so greedy with the option plays.  He has a shot at being top 15...I just never see how he makes it into top 10 with such a deficit without any elite traits

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

But unique skill set and peerless work ethic are fluff, meaningless terms.  Your bolded component are indisputable facts.

 

I mean, his running skills are pretty unique. LJ is better, but some of the numbers Hurts put up this season set records right? 

I'm still sort of in the in the neutral camp, where I think he could be a solid starter and I have confidence in him doing that. However, I wouldn't be shocked if he didn't pan out. 

55 minutes ago, MF POON said:

We had that with McNabb and many fans still weren't happy lol.

Nick Foles was always good with Philly though. The Rams under Fisher were awful and no QB had success while he was there. Jacksonville sucked once they broke up their defense and even Minshew sucked there. The bears have been awful for an eternity and the Chiefs had their guy in Smith already, who was consistently taking them to the playoffs.  

Again, Ben's lack of work ethic and mental fortitude is why he didn't survive. These are the very things many are praising Hurts for.  I'm not being vague whatsoever.

Meh Foles was sporadic here too. For every 2-3 games of absolutely incredible performance was 1-2 games of absolute dog sheet along with  the injuries. 

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Hurts has work ethic and high level mobility.  If he can ever become an above average passer, he would be a decent starter...but he doesn't have that over the top trait that makes him elite. Mcnabb, Allen and Vick had absolute rockets and just needed to learn touch....if Jalen had that arm strength, he would probably have stronger support. Not adequate, but elite. 

Arm strength 6/10

Accuracy 6/10

Reading coverage 4/10

Decision making 5/10

Mobility 10/10

I think he's a top 3 runner, but average everywhere else. If his decision making could reach above average (7/10 or above) I think he would get far more support. When I say decision making, that includes him stop being so greedy with the option plays.  He has a shot at being top 15...I just never see how he makes it into top 10 with such a deficit without any elite traits

 

 

Well, his accuracy/touch was slightly better than McNabb's usual this past season.  Can he improve in that area though? Sure.  The constant knock I see on him is arm strength, but I simply don't agree with that criticism. I think his issue is mainly with decision making, which is common with young QB's.  Also, he simply throws a bit too late on the deep balls often.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong if he ends up just being top 15. Again, how many SB wins do Rodgers and Brees have? We don't need an elite QB, and we know how hard it is to find that kind of QB in the draft. We thought we had that in Wentz and he's now with the Commanders. 

3 minutes ago, MF POON said:

 

Well, his accuracy/touch was slightly better than McNabb's usual this past season.  Can he improve in that area though? Sure.  The constant knock I see on him is arm strength, but I simply don't agree with that criticism. I think his issue is mainly with decision making, which is common with young QB's.  Also, he simply throws a bit too late on the deep balls often.

Honestly, there's nothing wrong if he ends up just being top 15. Again, how many SB wins do Rodgers and Brees have? We don't need an elite QB, and we know how hard it is to find that kind of QB in the draft. We thought we had that in Wentz and he's now with the Commanders. 

I feel Aaron's lack of rings deals more with his organization than anything he does on the field. If they didn't draft it, they don't want it and he spent his entire career making stars out of whatever they gave him. When it comes to this league right now, 15th just isn't good enough and that's the argument I'll continue to make

15 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Meh Foles was sporadic here too. For every 2-3 games of absolutely incredible performance was 1-2 games of absolute dog sheet along with  the injuries. 

Foles was 1-5 with Reid during his rookie season with the ever disappointing "dream team." Reid also got fired after that season. He was 14-4 during the Chip Kelly era before he got hurt and then traded for Bradford.  During his second/final go around here he was 6-2, and won a SB/SB MVP. Like I said, he was good here.

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I feel Aaron's lack of rings deals more with his organization than anything he does on the field. If they didn't draft it, they don't want it and he spent his entire career making stars out of whatever they gave him. When it comes to this league right now, 15th just isn't good enough and that's the argument I'll continue to make

I think Davonte is just good, but sure, he benefitted from having Rodgers, just like Rodgers benefitted from having him.  And no, they have just choked and for whatever reason cannot beat the 49ers in the playoffs.

16 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Foles was 1-5 with Reid during his rookie season with the ever disappointing "dream team." Reid also got fired after that season. He was 14-4 during the Chip Kelly era before he got hurt and then traded for Bradford.  During his second/final go around here he was 6-2, and won a SB/SB MVP. Like I said, he was good here.

So you have a soft spot for an over achiever in foles, but down the all world Rodgers lol this is that philly attitude I talk about. You are typing proof of what I was talking about 

25 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Foles was 1-5 with Reid during his rookie season with the ever disappointing "dream team." Reid also got fired after that season. He was 14-4 during the Chip Kelly era before he got hurt and then traded for Bradford.  During his second/final go around here he was 6-2, and won a SB/SB MVP. Like I said, he was good here.

Sure

3 hours ago, eagle45 said:

But unique skill set and peerless work ethic are fluff, meaningless terms.  Your bolded component are indisputable facts.

 

I'll say it again, Josh Allen, who I think is a top 3 QB, was horribly inaccurate his fist year in the league, once he got someone calling plays that knew a little something he blossomed.

There's no doubt Hurts has accuracy issues but I'm not on here posting about it 24/7 like some of you guys seem to be doing.  Personally I think you guys should leave it alone and see what he brings to the table in 2022, I'm sure he knows it's a make or break year for him, no need in putting more pressure on the guy with all of the negativity.  

2 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I'll say it again, Josh Allen, who I think is a top 3 QB, was horribly inaccurate his fist year in the league, once he got someone calling plays that knew a little something he blossomed.

There's no doubt Hurts has accuracy issues but I'm not on here posting about it 24/7 like some of you guys seem to be doing.  Personally I think you guys should leave it alone and see what he brings to the table in 2022, I'm sure he knows it's a make or break year for him, no need in putting more pressure on the guy with all of the negativity.  

Josh Allen and Hurts have 2 things in common: both can run and both sucked in year 2.

Thats what we want to lean on for Hurts?  

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Thats what we want to lean on for Hurts?  

How about just waiting and see instead of trashing the guy, Allen turned it around, who knows, maybe Hurts will also.

6 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Hurts has work ethic and high level mobility.  If he can ever become an above average passer, he would be a decent starter...but he doesn't have that over the top trait that makes him elite. Mcnabb, Allen and Vick had absolute rockets and just needed to learn touch....if Jalen had that arm strength, he would probably have stronger support. Not adequate, but elite. 

Arm strength 6/10

Accuracy 6/10

Reading coverage 4/10

Decision making 5/10

Mobility 10/10

I think he's a top 3 runner, but average everywhere else. If his decision making could reach above average (7/10 or above) I think he would get far more support. When I say decision making, that includes him stop being so greedy with the option plays.  He has a shot at being top 15...I just never see how he makes it into top 10 with such a deficit without any elite traits

 

Pretty fair summary. I'd put his accuracy a touch below as well - accuracy, reading coverage and decision making are the three key areas lacking in his game that can improve - he has a long way to go but just needs to a few of those to be above average to be a decent QB (no idea if he ever gets there). He will never have a cannon arm and his mobility is special.

2 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I'll say it again, Josh Allen, who I think is a top 3 QB, was horribly inaccurate his fist year in the league, once he got someone calling plays that knew a little something he blossomed.

There's no doubt Hurts has accuracy issues but I'm not on here posting about it 24/7 like some of you guys seem to be doing.  Personally I think you guys should leave it alone and see what he brings to the table in 2022, I'm sure he knows it's a make or break year for him, no need in putting more pressure on the guy with all of the negativity.  

Allen was a raw guy with all the tools. Hurts upside isnt the same as Josh Allen's simply because he doesn't have Allen's arm.

That doesn't mean Hurts can't or won't improve. 

7 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Meh Foles was sporadic here too. For every 2-3 games of absolutely incredible performance was 1-2 games of absolute dog sheet along with  the injuries. 

We luckily got the right 2 game stretch from him when it mattered most

 When the Eagles don’t have one of the most elementary passing offenses in the NFL and the playbook actually expands to NFL concepts for more than a few series a game but 2 or 3 games in a row, then Hurts and even the WR group can be judged. 
 
 

20 hours ago, eagle45 said:

But unique skill set and peerless work ethic are fluff, meaningless terms.  Your bolded component are indisputable facts.

 

Actually, the opposite is true.  The writer used the bolded comments to...dispute...the positive comments earlier in the statement. 

14 hours ago, kiwieagle said:

Allen was a raw guy with all the tools. Hurts upside isnt the same as Josh Allen's simply because he doesn't have Allen's arm.

That doesn't mean Hurts can't or won't improve. 

That's kinda my take. Other than mobility, there's nothing elite about Hurts. Allen has an elite arm AND mobility, so he had more to work with from the beginning. Allen's ceiling naturally is higher than Hurts due to natural abilities...he only needed some learned abilities and was able to do so. Hurts to me maxed out would be a 7/10 QB .... Allen 9.5/10

22 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

So you have a soft spot for an over achiever in foles, but down the all world Rodgers lol this is that philly attitude I talk about. You are typing proof of what I was talking about 

We're arguing various things here. I never said I wouldn't have wanted Rodgers here, just that he may not have what it takes to deal with the pressure of being an Eagles player.  But then again, I could be totally wrong and maybe he just likes to throw tantrums from time to time. 

2 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

That's kinda my take. Other than mobility, there's nothing elite about Hurts. Allen has an elite arm AND mobility, so he had more to work with from the beginning. Allen's ceiling naturally is higher than Hurts due to natural abilities...he only needed some learned abilities and was able to do so. Hurts to me maxed out would be a 7/10 QB .... Allen 9.5/10

I mean, Allen's numbers his first 2 seasons weren't any better than Hurts'.  Allen did make great strides in his 3rd season, but he also got a bit more help on offense in 2020 too. 

You don't need a super strong arm to be an elite QB lol. I mean, the guy everyone wants to see start dink and dunked in Jacksonville, so I don't get the whole "elite arm" argument.

9 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I mean, Allen's numbers his first 2 seasons weren't any better than Hurts'.  Allen did make great strides in his 3rd season, but he also got a bit more help on offense in 2020 too. 

You don't need a super strong arm to be an elite QB lol. I mean, the guy everyone wants to see start dink and dunked in Jacksonville, so I don't get the whole "elite arm" argument.

Minshew is not a dink and dunk QB.  He has a higher air yards per attempt than Hurts, while playing for the worst franchise in the NFL.

3 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

That's kinda my take. Other than mobility, there's nothing elite about Hurts. Allen has an elite arm AND mobility, so he had more to work with from the beginning. Allen's ceiling naturally is higher than Hurts due to natural abilities...he only needed some learned abilities and was able to do so. Hurts to me maxed out would be a 7/10 QB .... Allen 9.5/10

I’d caveat that by saying that not all elite QBs have elite physical tools. Brees is the obvious one that comes to mind but then again those QBs have generally succeeding in by elite in accuracy, reading defences and decision making.
 

Hurts can compensate for some of that with running to be in the upper echelon, he’d need to be at least above average to quite good in those things to compensate for his arm. Issue is he is poor in those things currently so while I expect some improvement, it’s a big ask to go from where he is now to turning them to be strengths in his game. 

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Minshew is not a dink and dunk QB.  He has a higher air yards per attempt than Hurts, while playing for the worst franchise in the NFL.

7.6 vs 7.3  wow, such a huge difference lol

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

7.6 vs 7.3  wow, such a huge difference lol

If Minshew is a dink and dunker, then Hurts is also a slightly worse dink and dunker.