18 hours ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

You know what's really funny, is I'm one of the few people who supported Foles through this fanbase's insistence that he was "trash." I told people thay they had to be patient and that Foles had to be in the right circumstances with the right pieces around him, that he just needed more experience, that he had the toughness, leadership abilities, and will to win that could make up for some athletic shortcomings. For the most part, it's the same people using the same inane, tired arguments against Hurts at this stage in his career just like they were with Foles: lack of arm talent, lack of mental acuity, comes up short in the playoffs, etc. You guys don't learn. You don't want them good, you want them flashy. You want style, not substance.

Hurts is pretty much the epitome of no substance.  Swag, likable, "peerless worker" etc.  

Hurts is the Gold Standard. Discuss . . . 

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

I love Foles and am forever grateful for what he did for us in his time here. 

Having said that, he's been a career backup and has started 56 games over the course of his ten year career. Not exactly the strongest argument you can make.

Nick Foles has made the best out of his talents and opportunity.

He made bank.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts is pretty much the epitome of no substance.  Swag, likable, "peerless worker" etc.  

The 'works hard' stuff is so overblown.  Most players work very hard. A few don't but they are the exception.  Hurts just isn't a good NFL QB like the vast majority of other prospects at the position. It's really not more complicated than that.

12 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Nick Foles has made the best out of his talents and opportunity.

He made bank.

I'm not trying to slander Foles by any means. I just think it's funny that someone is using Foles as an example as to why we should be patient with Hurts. 

What's even funnier, Foles took over a dumpster fire team that quit on their coach as well. Difference being he had a higher QBR in his rookie season than Hurts ever has (which takes running into consideration), passed for 240+ yards a game and then followed it up with one of the best seasons an Eagles QB has ever had. His career since has largely been south (aside from a magical 2 games in 2017). 

"People slandering Hurts..just remember I told you all to be patient with a career backup as well!"

Funny stuff.

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

I'm not trying to slander Foles by any means. I just think it's funny that someone is using Foles as an example as to why we should be patient with Hurts. 

What's even funnier, Foles took over a dumpster fire team that quit on their coach as well. Difference being he had a higher QBR in his rookie season than Hurts ever has (which takes running into consideration), passed for 240+ yards a game and then followed it up with one of the best seasons an Eagles QB has ever had. His career since has largely been south (aside from a magical 2 games in 2017). 

"People slandering Hurts..just remember I told you all to be patient with a career backup as well!"

Funny stuff.

I find it interesting that the comparisons drawn between Hurts and success stories at QB all involve shared WEAKNESSES.

Well, Drew Brees was short and lacked a strong arm.  Josh Allen sucked in year 2.  Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott were drafted later and were not regarded as great prospects.  The common theme for Hurts here is that he's short, has a weak arm, was not regarded as a good prospect, and sucked in year 2. 

Hurts basically has no strengths as a passer, either in terms of talent or skill/nuance...and has done nothing good as a passer thus far in his NFL career.  So basically any NFL QB that ever succeeded despite weaknesses or had a poor start...that's something they have in common with Hurts.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I find it interesting that the comparisons drawn between Hurts and success stories at QB all involve shared WEAKNESSES.

Well, Drew Brees was short and lacked a strong arm.  Josh Allen sucked in year 2.  Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott were drafted later and were not regarded as great prospects.  The common theme for Hurts here is that he's short, has a weak arm, was not regarded as a good prospect, and sucked in year 2. 

Hurts basically has no strengths as a passer, either in terms of talent or skill/nuance...and has done nothing good as a passer thus far in his NFL career.  So basically any NFL QB that ever succeeded despite weaknesses or had a poor start...that's something they have in common with Hurts.

But have you seen his workout swag videos?

Best case scenario is Hurts becomes poor man's Lamar Jackson.

If there was some hidden passing potential hiding in him waiting to be unlocked, I think we would have seen flashes of it by now. Like even just one game where he throws for 300 yards 4 tds and wins a game on his arm. 

11 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

The 'works hard' stuff is so overblown.  Most players work very hard. A few don't but they are the exception.  Hurts just isn't a good NFL QB like the vast majority of other prospects at the position. It's really not more complicated than that.

The Eagles FO seems to disagree.  They drafted him high, got rid of Wentz, passed on Fields in the draft and opted not to trade for a "franchise” guy this offseason, all to hand the keys to the franchise to Hurts.

 I guess part of that is salary based after the Wentz debacle but they seem to like him.
 

 

23 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

The Eagles FO seems to disagree.  They drafted him high, got rid of Wentz, passed on Fields in the draft and opted not to trade for a "franchise” guy this offseason, all to hand the keys to the franchise to Hurts.

 I guess part of that is salary based after the Wentz debacle but they seem to like him.
 

 

They didn't get rid of Wentz because of Hurts. Wentz forced his way out.  And they didn't opt not to trade for anyone. No one wanted to come.

25 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

The Eagles FO seems to disagree.  They drafted him high, got rid of Wentz, passed on Fields in the draft and opted not to trade for a "franchise” guy this offseason, all to hand the keys to the franchise to Hurts.

 I guess part of that is salary based after the Wentz debacle but they seem to like him.
 

 

Two definites: 1. The Eagles tried to keep Wentz for 2021 before he forced a trade.  2. The Eagles tried to trade up for Zach Wilson instead of giving the job to Hurts.

Two probables: The Eagles tried to trade for Watson in both 2021 and 2022.

Lastly, the Eagles liking a player means nothing to me and should not to anyone else either.  Their personnel judgement has been terrible.

9 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Best case scenario is Hurts becomes poor man's Lamar Jackson.

If there was some hidden passing potential hiding in him waiting to be unlocked, I think we would have seen flashes of it by now. Like even just one game where he throws for 300 yards 4 tds and wins a game on his arm. 

Ok just correcting myself a bit here. There was that game in 2020 against the Cardinals where he threw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs plus 1 rushing. He pretty much played Kyler Murray to a draw that game. But he has not played at that level since then. 

4 hours ago, opa-opa said:

Ok just correcting myself a bit here. There was that game in 2020 against the Cardinals where he threw for 300+ yards and 3 TDs plus 1 rushing. He pretty much played Kyler Murray to a draw that game. But he has not played at that level since then. 

He was also in like a 21-0 hole before he started moving the ball well enough and scoring points.

 

Anyone notice anything about this 'moment' that he became the franchise QB?

On 4/3/2022 at 8:35 AM, CouchKing said:

Hurts is the Fool's Gold Standard. Discuss . . . 

FYP.

1 hour ago, Swoop said:

He was also in like a 21-0 hole before he started moving the ball well enough and scoring points.

Are you implying that his weak as they are numbers are actually inflated due to poor play early and people just playing prevent to run out the clock?! 

I don't understand the hype around him and why there are fans so enamored with him

I keep seeing "he's young", "give him a chance", and my personal favorite "he deserves a chance"

He doesn't deserve anything. There are likely hundreds of guys that would kill for a chance but never got it

I'm in a facebook group that will tell you to go root for another team if you criticize Hurts. There are so many bandwagon fans telling me to go root for the Commies because I must be a Wentz fan since I don't think Hurts will amount to anything. It's amazing

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't understand the hype around him and why there are fans so enamored with him

I keep seeing "he's young", "give him a chance", and my personal favorite "he deserves a chance"

He doesn't deserve anything. There are likely hundreds of guys that would kill for a chance but never got it

I'm in a facebook group that will tell you to go root for another team if you criticize Hurts. There are so many bandwagon fans telling me to go root for the Commies because I must be a Wentz fan since I don't think Hurts will amount to anything. It's amazing

When no one talks about what his strengths are as a passer, but focus on every other aspect of him to build him up, you have to question him as a QB.  If all a player brings to the table are intangibles, that's going to limit their ceiling as a QB.  Equally, if a player has all the talent in the world, but lacks the intangibles, that's going to limit their ceiling as well.   Both are necessary.

21 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't understand the hype around him and why there are fans so enamored with him

I keep seeing "he's young", "give him a chance", and my personal favorite "he deserves a chance"

He doesn't deserve anything. There are likely hundreds of guys that would kill for a chance but never got it

I'm in a facebook group that will tell you to go root for another team if you criticize Hurts. There are so many bandwagon fans telling me to go root for the Commies because I must be a Wentz fan since I don't think Hurts will amount to anything. It's amazing

They are the same type of people who think they should be boss because they've been there the longest, ignoring the lack of qualifications it takes for the position 

2 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't understand the hype around him and why there are fans so enamored with him

I keep seeing "he's young", "give him a chance", and my personal favorite "he deserves a chance"

He doesn't deserve anything. There are likely hundreds of guys that would kill for a chance but never got it

I'm in a facebook group that will tell you to go root for another team if you criticize Hurts. There are so many bandwagon fans telling me to go root for the Commies because I must be a Wentz fan since I don't think Hurts will amount to anything. It's amazing

That reason is related to the swag, exciting plays, and running around.  

They see him break the pocket, do three spins, and throw off his back foot as he flies out of bounds for a 6 yard completion.  That is a "Look how he made something out of nothing.  Wentz would have been sacked" play to the casual fan. 

The real football fan sees that play as "he broke the pocket way early, missed seeing his 1st and 2nd and 3rd reads, made his outlet play block for him, almost got sacked spinning around, and then almost got intercepted".  That's a "GD, we just got lucky.  WTF was he doing?" play to us. 

There aren't enough critical eyes out there with Hurts.  

This recent trade has pretty much show the Eagles can do two things at once. They’re giving Hurts his opportunity to succeed or fail and at the same time ensuring themselves a chance to replace him if he does indeed fail. 

14 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

This recent trade has pretty much show the Eagles can do two things at once. They’re giving Hurts his opportunity to succeed or fail and at the same time ensuring themselves a chance to replace him if he does indeed fail.  They can keep their options open to try to replace him in both the 2022 and 2023 drafts.

FYP

Is there a QB you'd draft at 51?

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Is there a QB you'd draft at 51?

I’d be ecstatic with Carson Strong at 51.  

48 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

FYP

I know that’s what you want, but you shouldn’t be so certain. I was so certain Wentz would be a top five player in this league for a long time. Didn’t turn out that way.