12 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

How? Because a true dual threat is hard to stop.

I think they're both. The question is whether they can be developed further. I think it's worth another season to find out.

Name true dual threats that have been very successful that weren't passers for the first three options before the fourth in running. I'm not even attacking at this point, I'm curious of who these wildly successful dual threats were that weren't passers 3/4ths of the time. There has to be some prototype that I'm unaware of 

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Name true dual threats that have been very successful that weren't passers for the first three options before the fourth in running. I'm not even attacking at this point, I'm curious of who these wildly successful dual threats were that weren't passers 3/4ths of the time. There has to be some prototype that I'm unaware of 

 

Hurts has to pull the trigger more and be more patient, there's no question about that. He has to make better choices about when to run. The question is can he get there? Many of you seem to firmly believe the answer is no, but I think the jury is still out on that. Time will tell.

In terms of guys who have been this kind of QB:

See: Wilson, Russell. Also, A. Rodgers in his earlier years.

I think Herbert is currently a pretty well-balanced dual threat, too. I'm not saying Hurts' has the ceiling of those guys, but the ability to run as a QB definitely is an asset if it can be combined with high-level passing ability.

Just now, EaglesRocker97 said:

Hurts has to pull the trigger more and be more patient, there's no question about that. The question is can he get there? Many of you seem to firmly believe the answer is no, but I think the jury is still out on that. Time will tell.

In terms of guys who have been this kind of QB:

See: Wilson, Russell. Also, A. Rodgers in his earlier years.

I think Herbert is currently a pretty well-balanced dual threat, too. I'm not saying Hurts' has the ceiling of those guys, but the ability to run as a QB definitely is an asset if it can be combined with high-level passing ability.

Hurts isn't a dual threat yet.   He is a runner who throws, not a passer who runs.

14 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Hurts has to pull the trigger more and be more patient, there's no question about that. He has to make better choices about when to run. The question is can he get there? Many of you seem to firmly believe the answer is no, but I think the jury is still out on that. Time will tell.

In terms of guys who have been this kind of QB:

See: Wilson, Russell. Also, A. Rodgers in his earlier years.

I think Herbert is currently a pretty well-balanced dual threat, too. I'm not saying Hurts' has the ceiling of those guys, but the ability to run as a QB definitely is an asset if it can be combined with high-level passing ability.

I feel he is much closer to cam Newton than those two for skill sets. I don't think either of those have been so lopsided to the running game. We will see 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

How? Because a true dual threat is hard to stop.

No, they are not.  It is proven in the playoffs every year.  Lamar Jackson has been stopped, and Jalen Hurts was destroyed.

If the defensive plan is to force the QB to throw, that is not a good sign for that QB.

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

No, they are not.  It is proven in the playoffs every year.  Lamar Jackson has been stopped, and Jalen Hurts was destroyed.

If the defensive plan is to force the QB to throw, that is not a good sign for that QB.

Lamar Jackson is not a true dual threat, at least he hasn't shown himself to be one so far.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Lamar Jackson is not a true dual threat, at least he hasn't shown himself to be one so far.

 

You are joking, right ??

The guy completed 66% of his passes and threw 36 TD's to 6 interceptions in his second year, while setting the QB single season rushing record and winning the MVP.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

You are joking, right ??

The guy completed 66% of his passes and threw 36 TD's to 6 interceptions in his second year, while setting the QB single season rushing record and winning the MVP.

 

And he has regressed significantly since then. I'm really not a Jackson fan. He can be exciting at times, but dude is dumb as rocks.

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

And he has regressed significantly since then. I'm really not a Jackson fan. Dude is dumb as rocks.

You wish Jalen Hurts ceiling was Lamar Jackson.  His ceiling is actually Tyrod Taylor at best.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You wish Jalen Hurts ceiling was Lamar Jackson.  His ceiling is actually Tyrod Taylor at best.

 

Time will tell.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

You wish Jalen Hurts ceiling was Lamar Jackson.  His ceiling is actually Tyrod Taylor at best.

Did anyone really know what Jackson’s ceiling was? The guy was a late first. Literally the last pick in the first round. Baker Mayfield, Sam Darnold, and Josh Rosen were all drafted well ahead of him and he’s far better than all of them, but it’s obvious no one knew it at the time. Really you’re just operating out of assumptions. You truly don’t have an idea what Jalen’s ceiling is, but you don’t like the player so you aren’t going to think highly of him regardless. The dude could break all the Eagles passing records next season and you would still hate the player. 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

How? Because a true dual threat is hard to stop.

I think they're both. The question is whether they can be developed further. I think it's worth another season to find out.

Would be nice if Hurts actually was a dual threat.  

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

The dude could break all the Eagles passing records next season and you would still hate the player. 

Not a chance in hell that happens.  

On 4/5/2022 at 2:56 PM, Bwestbrook36 said:

Those guys could work the pocket like no other though. You don't need to be mobile when you know how to slide around in the pocket and make the correct reads. 

There has to be a pocket to slide around in. Fortunately the Eagles O line can provide one of those.

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The dude could break all the Eagles passing records next season and you would still hate the player. 

 

Exactly, and the reason is because they've completely wrapped themselves in the "Hurts sucks" brand literally since the day he was drafted. To admit otherwise would be a loss of face that most are not humble enough to accept.

Most of these guys labeled Hurts a total bust from day 1 and have refused to budge from that. It doesn't really have anything to do with last year for most of these haters, it's just so much a part of their identity that they have to cling to it desperately.

2 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

Exactly, and the reason is because they've completely wrapped themselves in the "Hurts sucks" brand literally since the day he was drafted. 

I did not say he sucked when he was drafted, I said the pick was foolish as the team had many holes to fill.

I watched him play in the NFL to determine he will never be a top 15 QB, and never be a top 20 passer.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Exactly, and the reason is because they've completely wrapped themselves in the "Hurts sucks" brand literally since the day he was drafted. To admit otherwise would be a loss of face that most are not humble enough to accept.

Most of these guys labeled Hurts a total bust from day 1 and has refused to budge from that. It doesn't really have anything to do with last year for most of these haters, it's just so much a part of their identity that they have to cling to it desperately.

It seems like you're trying to call anyone who doesn't doesn't regard Hurts as the second coming racist without coming out and saying so. Maybe most just don't see Hurts' demonstrated skill set as that of a franchise quarterback. Is that possible?

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I did not say he sucked when he was drafted, I said the pick was foolish as the team had many holes to fill.

 

But it wasn't, because there were already early signs that Wentz was not up to the task. One of the holes to fill was backup QB.

 

1 minute ago, eglz1 said:

It seems like you're trying to call anyone who doesn't doesn't regard Hurts as the second coming racist without coming out and saying so. Maybe most just don't see Hurts' demonstrated skill set as that of a franchise quarterback. Is that possible?

 

No, it's not racist, because they did the same thing to Foles. I think it's a matter of wanting style over substance. Fans want the "sexy" pick, not the logical one.

29 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

Exactly, and the reason is because they've completely wrapped themselves in the "Hurts sucks" brand literally since the day he was drafted. To admit otherwise would be a loss of face that most are not humble enough to accept.

Most of these guys labeled Hurts a total bust from day 1 and have refused to budge from that. It doesn't really have anything to do with last year for most of these haters, it's just so much a part of their identity that they have to cling to it desperately.

I can only speak for myself, but I don't see it that way. Many people look at the rest of the league and where the quarterback position is and then look at Jalen and see some glaring holes that make him look in the twenties range of QBs. The margin of error with a QB like Hurts is so minimal because he can't throw you back in. To beat Philly atm, you just need to go up 14 and coast because the defense doesn't creat turnovers and the offense takes forever to score. 

Foles could have broken the record but he was taken out early. He was slaughtering that team and likely gets a few more TDs

59 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I did not say he sucked when he was drafted, I said the pick was foolish as the team had many holes to fill.

I watched him play in the NFL to determine he will never be a top 15 QB, and never be a top 20 passer.

I did, because he did.

Hurts has always been a bad passer without any redeeming traits as a passer.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I did, because he did.

Hurts has always been a bad passer without any redeeming traits as a passer.

Well he does have the same weaknesses he had back in 2017...

But he's "improving"

On 4/5/2022 at 10:37 PM, NOTW said:

 

 

Sincerely hope this somehow works. 

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Not a chance in hell that happens.  

You’re right bud and I already know that there’s no chance you will ever like Jalen Hurts regardless how he plays.

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

I did not say he sucked when he was drafted, I said the pick was foolish as the team had many holes to fill.

I watched him play in the NFL to determine he will never be a top 15 QB, and never be a top 20 passer.

I watched Wentz and I thought I saw a top three player in this league. I was wrong.