Hurts hugger argument no 7. You guys stuck up for Wentz? Like wtf does that have to do with anything?

2 minutes ago, greend said:

Hurts hugger argument no 7. You guys stuck up for Wentz? Like wtf does that have to do with anything?

 

It means your analytical skills suck and all opinions on QB fitness should be disregarded.

1 minute ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It means your analytical skills suck and all opinions on QB fitness should be disregarded.

And so do yours. So now what? 

On 4/12/2022 at 8:24 AM, greend said:

And so do yours. So now what? 

 

I'm right more often than not. Dead right on Kolb, Vick, Foles, and Wentz. We'll see how this one plays out, but I'm sitting pretty with recent history.

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

It means your analytical skills suck and all opinions on QB fitness should be disregarded.

Wentz had 10-12 good to great games last year.... hurts had 2...maybe??? Hate to tell you this but we have the third best QB in a weak division ATM. As much as everyone rags on the guy, he gets 25+ tds and less than 10 ints a year. It's not as good as he was expected to be, but those numbers keep you starting for a decade 

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Wentz had 12 good to great games last year.... hurts had 2...maybe??? Hate to tell you this but we have the third best QB in a weak division atm

 

All I've been saying all along is that you don't give up on a QB prospect this early. That's it. It's about patience with me and being sure that Hurts definitely isn't the guy before cutting bait. It's not that I'm sure he's the guy. I'm not and admit that he has a lot to prove. The QB market is so weird, though. 1st-round picks bust all the time and HOF guys come out of nowhere. You've gotta be looking for those diamonds in the rough and willing to be surprised.

10 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

All I've been saying all along is that you don't give up on a QB prospect this early. That's it. It's about patience with me and being sure that Hurts definitely isn't the guy before cutting bait. It's not that I'm sure he's the guy. I'm not and admit that he has a lot to prove. The QB market is so weird, though. 1st-round picks bust all the time and HOF guys come out of nowhere. You've gotta be looking for those diamonds in the rough and willing to be surprised.

Most of your top QBs don't come out of nowhere though. Historically they rarely sneak up. Brady is the rare exception. Romo was fun to watch but accomplished nothing, Wilson wasn't drafted in the first due to height bias, so on and so on 

18 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Wentz had 10-12 good to great games last year.... hurts had 2...maybe??? As much as everyone rags on the guy, he gets 25+ tds and less than 10 ints a year. It's not as good as he was expected to be, but those numbers keep you starting for a decade 

Wentz, 28 total TDs, 12 turnovers (17 games)

Hurts, 26 total TDs, 11 turnovers (15 games)

Welcome to the Hurts Huggers Club, Shalodeep. 

16 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

All I've been saying all along is that you don't give up on a QB prospect this early. That's it. It's about patience with me and being sure that Hurts definitely isn't the guy before cutting bait. It's not that I'm sure he's the guy. I'm not and admit that he has a lot to prove. The QB market is so weird, though. 1st-round picks bust all the time and HOF guys come out of nowhere. You've gotta be looking for those diamonds in the rough and willing to be surprised.

You are right and historically QBs and players, in general, do not really blossom until year 4 of the NFL. There are always exceptions, but that is typically what happens.

We live in a world where everyone needs day one satisfaction. Everyone sucks if they do not come on as one of the best players in the league as soon as they start. It is not just fans, but also GMs and coaches as well. Every move, word, or action is criticized, magnified, and torn apart piece by piece. Most of them are done without context or knowledge of the situation. Looking at Hurts, did the coaches scheme things a specific way? How many times did a WR run the wrong route? Who does he trust to make the play? Do they line up most of his trusted players to one side, which may explain why he throws more to one side than another?

People hated Zach Ertz because he was not as good as Brent Celek, especially because he could not block. McNabb sucked because all he could do was play out of the shotgun and couldn't audible and people fawned how much better a QB Culpepper was, ignoring the fact that he had Randy Moss and Cris Carter to throw to. There was a thread dedicated to how big of a bust Shady McCoy was. Brandon Graham was the worst pick the Eagles ever made. Etc, Etc.

Even going way back before the internet, there were so many people livid over Buddy starting a terrible QB in Randall Cunningham over the established Jaws because Jaws brought them to the Super Bowl and Randall was a gimmick QB who couldn't throw.

I hope that Hurts, just like all those other players that were doubted before him because of the 'eye' test or whatever other trope that people use to disparage a player, proves them all wrong in the end.

25 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Wentz, 28 total TDs, 12 turnovers (17 games)

Hurts, 26 total TDs, 11 turnovers (15 games)

Welcome to the Hurts Huggers Club, Shalodeep. 

16 passing tds is only 2 more than Winston in over double the games and equal to Davis mills lol his back up RB numbers mean nothing to me in evaluation

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

So you are now shifting the goalposts that you set?

Your original statement was that Minshew was a better option than Hurts because he threw the ball "more than five yards down the field." Throws six, seven and eight are not more than five yards down the field, they are five yards. Counting them is dumb on two levels - first, they don't technically meet the parameters you set, and two, they fail to meet the spirit of what your point was, namely that Minshew, in this offense, would throw the ball down the field more than Hurts does.

And throw five wasn't thrown more than five yards down field. It was a checkdown that was thrown three yards and Gainwell bobbled it for the extra yards.

So the correct answer is 4.

Goalposts never moved, but your reading comprehension continues to suffer.  I said and continue to say 5 or more yards.   But we're done here.  You can't read.  And next time you quote me... actually quote what I wrote, not what you read.

Don't bother to respond.  I'll waste no more time on you since you can't quote me properly.

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

16 passing tds is only 2 more than Winston in over double the games and equal to Davis mills lol his back up RB numbers mean nothing to me in evaluation

Sadly for you, they mean something to the person who records the points each team scores during a game.

32 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Goalposts never moved, but your reading comprehension continues to suffer.  I said and continue to say 5 or more yards.   But we're done here.  You can't read.  And next time you quote me... actually quote what I wrote, not what you read.

Don't bother to respond.  I'll waste no more time on you since you can't quote me properly.

I_P you seem fairly irritated. Have a good morning. 

50 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Sadly for you, they mean something to the person who records the points each team scores during a game.

Not sadly for me. Sad for the city to again hitch itself to a mobile QB who relies on athletic ability instead of passing ability. If you get excited for that, imagine how the city would feel when they had a QB who could ... I don't know QB..... I've loved this team since birth, but I have truly hated the fan base for over a decade because as knowledgeable as people think the fan base is is truly how damn hard they cling to mediocrity. Hurts literally holds the entire offense back. It's obvious as hell to the rest of the league BUT this fan base. If I was a wide out, I wouldn't accept top dollar to come here because it wreck my legacy.  Put Smith with ANY real QB and he is 1100 yards plus and Watkins may actually be a number 2, but no...he has a QB who sees his shadow and runs and you act like it's a good thing? It's awful to watch. It's regressive football

 

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

So you are now shifting the goalposts that you set?

Your original statement was that Minshew was a better option than Hurts because he threw the ball "more than five yards down the field." Throws six, seven and eight are not more than five yards down the field, they are five yards. Counting them is dumb on two levels - first, they don't technically meet the parameters you set, and two, they fail to meet the spirit of what your point was, namely that Minshew, in this offense, would throw the ball down the field more than Hurts does.

And throw five wasn't thrown more than five yards down field. It was a checkdown that was thrown three yards and Gainwell bobbled it for the extra yards.

So the correct answer is 4.

The issue with this whole discussion, is Minshew was thrown into the Hurts offense for 1 start.  Sirianni was not going to change the entire offense for 1 week.  If Minshew was the starter for a stretch of games, then you would see more deep balls.  Have you ever watched Minshew play ??  He throws the deep ball fine, and often.

 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The issue with this whole discussion, is Minshew was thrown into the Hurts offense for 1 start.  Sirianni was not going to change the entire offense for 1 week.  If Minshew was the starter for a stretch of games, then you would see more deep balls.  Have you ever watched Minshew play ??  He throws the deep ball fine, and often.

 

I put minshews numbers up earlier and his numbers despite being on an awful team was top notch in efficiency. When it comes to bridge QBs, he's top notch. And it was a balance enough offense that he had two 1000 yard runners so the team was balanced. If it wasn't such a bad team, it would of been praised how it worked. With hurts, nobody is going to hit 1000 yards and it's not that he spread the ball around well ....he doesn't....it's the fact he makes himself the first option for the offense. When you can't distribute or call your own number so often....you aren't a QB. Just an athlete playing QB. Miles had zero touchdowns this year and Hurts had 10 running....that means he pulls the ball from Miles belly and ran it in himself. Nobody wants to deal with that for long. 

9 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I put minshews numbers up earlier and his numbers despite being on an awful team was top notch in efficiency. When it comes to bridge QBs, he's top notch. And it was a balance enough offense that he had two 1000 yard runners so the team was balanced. If it wasn't such a bad team, it would of been praised how it worked

And his rookie year when he played the most games, he had a 1000 yard receiver.

Minshew also has 1 less interception than Hurts with 277 more pass attempts.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And his rookie year when he played the most games, he had a 1000 yard receiver.

Exactly. He distributes well. It's not even I want minshew as a long term starter....I'm just saying I'd rather play his style of ball because it's sustainable and we could actually judge the rest of the team. 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I'm just saying I'd rather play his style of ball

You mean have the QB do his primary job, and throw the ball ???

That is silly, we need a RB at the QB position, it is the next wave of the NFL and will never be figured out.  Well, except for all the other times it was figured out.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And his rookie year when he played the most games, he had a 1000 yard receiver.

Minshew also has 1 less interception than Hurts with 277 more pass attempts.

Also averages 1.86 passing tds a game vs Hurts 1.16 a game.  Also, minshew throws an int once every 71 attempts compared to Hurts every 45. Minshew is leaps and bounds better 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

Also averages 1.86 passing tds a game vs Hurts 1.16 a game.  Also, minshew throws an int once every 71 attempts compared to Hurts every 45. Minshew is leaps and bounds better 

And his rookie year completed more than 60% of his passes, and then jumped that to 66% his second year.

Hurts had to make a 9% improvement to be barely better than Minshew's rookie year.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And his rookie year completed more than 60% of his passes, and then jumped that to 66% his second year.

Hurts had to make a 9% improvement to be barely better than Minshew's rookie year.

But minshew is the limited one.... 

Why don't we start Minshew?

1. He wasn't drafted by Howie.

2. If we start Minshew then Howie isn't redeemed for using our second round pick on a QB.

3. If we start Minshew, then Howie wasn't the prophetic seer who knew Wentz was cooked and drafted his replacement to save us from years of mediocrity.

4. Did I mention eh wasn't drafted by Howie?

 

Start Minshew, let Hurts develop and fix his considerable amount of issues while sitting behind a journeyman in Minshew. Bring in a veteran washed up QB who can mentor Hurts and help him develop behind the scenes. Minshew isn't going to fix our problems. He's more of a gunslinger mentality but he has the potential to get hot and go on a run. Hurts atm does not.

2 hours ago, downundermike said:

The issue with this whole discussion, is Minshew was thrown into the Hurts offense for 1 start.  Sirianni was not going to change the entire offense for 1 week.  If Minshew was the starter for a stretch of games, then you would see more deep balls.  Have you ever watched Minshew play ??  He throws the deep ball fine, and often.

You are talking nuance.  This guy can't or won't read what others post honestly.

2 hours ago, IINorthStar said:

I_P you seem fairly irritated. Have a good morning. 

When someone continually misquotes and misrepresents what I typed... it does tend to make me surly.