3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

No, I've just been a fan of this sport forever and know that running QBs have never worked going back to the beginning of the league. Duel threat doesn't mean what you think it means. Steve young was a duel threat, never needed 10 rushing touchdowns to win MVP. The year cam was an actual duel threat, he THREW for 35tds and running was an addition to his game, not the basis of it. Also, cam had 3 total seasons of 10+ rushing touchdowns. It's literally not sustainable. Rushing QBs have patches in their careers that they miss due to the abuse they can't handle. Cam is a mountain compared to Hurts and still missed time. You gotta try harder than this to defend this guy, cause right now your argument wouldn't work in the college level, let alone the NFL

 

there is no need to defend him.  The proof is there.  The eagles were projected to be the 2nd worst team in the nfl,  Hurts was projected by pff, chris simms, espn to be the worst to 2nd worst qb in the league.   Not only did we make the playoffs, but hurts exceeded all expectations considerably as a rookie qb with a patch work oline, and below avg skill group.  All at the age of 23.  Not only is he going to get better but the team around him is going to get better.  It's ok to be excited about having him as your qb.  The game has changed a lot since steve young. 

Actual dual threat QBs right now 

Kyle Murray 2020: 26tds, 3971 yards / 11rush tds 819 yards

Lamar Jackson 2020 (non MVP year on purpose) 26tds 2757 yards/ 7tds, 1005 yards

Josh Allen 2021: 36tds 4407 yards/ 6rush tds, 763 yards

 

4 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

there is no need to defend him.  The proof is there.  The eagles were projected to be the 2nd worst team in the nfl,  Hurts was projected by pff, chris simms, espn to be the worst to 2nd worst qb in the league.   Not only did we make the playoffs, but hurts exceeded all expectations considerably as a rookie qb with a patch work oline, and below avg skill group.  All at the age of 23.  Not only is he going to get better but the team around him is going to get better.  It's ok to be excited about having him as your qb.  The game has changed a lot since steve young. 

Which running QB has won a Superbowl since Steve young (who wasn't a running QB)

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Actual dual threat QBs right now 

Kyle Murray 2020: 26tds, 3971 yards / 11rush tds 819 yards

Lamar Jackson 2020 (non MVP year on purpose) 26tds 2757 yards/ 7tds, 1005 yards

Josh Allen 2021: 36tds 4407 yards/ 6rush tds, 763 yards

 

Which running QB has won a Superbowl since Steve young (who wasn't a running QB)

russell wilson

3 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

russell wilson

Ahhh the old Russel Wilson argument that doesn't work lol. He was an actual dual threat and wasn't what the team was based around that year 

2014 stats 3475 yards, 20tds 63.1%/ 849 yards 6tds 

What was the difference....hmmm I ponder....oh lynch in the backfield and one of the greatest secondaries in league history handing them the ball back over and over....also a sustained history of throwing 20+ touchdowns every year of his career to that point (26, 26, 20) and over 63% completion percentage. How could I ever mistake the resemblance of his game and Hurts?! They are identical....oh wait, they aren't even close 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Ahhh the old Russel Wilson argument that doesn't work lol. He was an actual dual threat and wasn't what the team was based around that year 

2014 stats 3475 yards, 20tds 63.1%/ 849 yards 6tds 

What was the difference....hmmm I ponder....oh lynch in the backfield and one of the greatest secondaries in league history handing them the ball back over and over....also a sustained history of throwing 20+ touchdowns every year of his career to that point (26, 26, 20) and over 63% completion percentage. How could I ever mistake the resemblance of his game and Hurts?! They are identical....oh wait, they aren't even close 

 

 

 

Dual threat is a running qb.  If they couldn't run they wouldn't be  a duel threat.....   

How about we compare their age 23 season, and then go from there?

3 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

 

Dual threat is a running qb.  If they couldn't run they wouldn't be  a duel threat.....   

How about we compare their age 23 season, and then go from there?

And the age argument lol running low on ground to stand on at this point huh?  Dual threat means the ability to run, a running QB relies on it. There has been zero long term successful dual threat QBs. They either become passers or they are thrown out after a few years 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

And the age argument lol running low on ground to stand on at this point huh? 

clearly i can't convince you of my pov. so we are at a stalemate.  Instead maybe we can discuss the future?  How do you see the eagles and Jalen Hurts doing in 2022-2023?

2 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

clearly i can't convince you of my pov. so we are at a stalemate.  Instead maybe we can discuss the future?  How do you see the eagles and Jalen Hurts doing in 2022-2023?

Jalen starts 2022 and ups his numbers by a little bit, but the teams success remains around the 500 mark leaving this same discussion to happen in 2023 with him looking for a new contract and the fandom fighting like usual 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Jalen starts 2022 and ups his numbers by a little bit, but the teams success remains around the 500 mark leaving this same discussion to happen in 2023 with him looking for a new contract and the fandom fighting like usual 

lets set some benchmarks.  Do the Eagles make the playoffs?  Where does the offense rank in terms of points for?  What are Hurts stats?

2 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

lets set some benchmarks.  Do the Eagles make the playoffs?  Where does the offense rank in terms of points for?  What are Hurts stats?

With a 7th seed, who knows. Maybe? But definitely not a convincing contender. Offense will be top 5 rushing, and 18th passing with all the new faces in the league. Hurts will be 19tds/9ints 62.5% 3500 yards, 750 rushing 7tds

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

With a 7th seed, who knows. Maybe? But definitely not a convincing contender. Offense will be top 5 rushing, and 18th passing with all the new faces in the league. Hurts will be 19tds/9ints 62.5% 3500 yards, 750 rushing 7tds

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-qb-total-yards-leaders-2021#:~:text=Tom Brady accounted for the,%2C rushing%2C and receiving yards.

what you described is a top 10 qb in the nfl.  I am glad you think so highly of Jalen hurts!

2 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/nfl-qb-total-yards-leaders-2021#:~:text=Tom Brady accounted for the,%2C rushing%2C and receiving yards.

what you described is a top 10 qb in the nfl.  I am glad you think so highly of Jalen hurts!

Not even close dude. Thank you for playing 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Not even close dude. Thank you for playing 

sir, you said hurts would account for 4250 yards and 26 tds.   That is a top 10 qb in the league.  

5 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

sir, you said hurts would account for 4250 yards and 26 tds.   That is a top 10 qb in the league.  

Back to needing the rushing to make a point lol I win

The dual threat argument gets pretty old.  Being honest, our QB is single threat....the wrong threat to win big time in the NFL.  

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Back to needing the rushing to make a point lol I win

Hurts is a running qb.  He is going to be running for a lot of yards and tds.   To use that against him is illogical.     

 

For instance Kyler Murray had 4200 total yards and 24 td's and 29 tds.   He is a top 10 qb.  You basically just descibed those parameters in what  you are projecting hurts to be.   Take a deep breath , and some time to reflect on the fact that you think Hurts is gong to be a good qb next year, it's ok most smart Eagles fans agree with you.  

2 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The dual threat argument gets pretty old.  Our QB is mostly single threat....the wrong threat to win.  

We have a winner 

3 minutes ago, McMahonHeadband said:

Hurts is a running qb.  He is going to be running for a lot of yards and tds.   To use that against him is illogical.     

 

For instance Kyler Murray had 4200 total yards and 24 td's and 29 tds.   He is a top 10 qb.  You basically just descibed those parameters in what  you are projecting hurts to be.   Take a deep breath , and some time to reflect on the fact that you think Hurts is gong to be a good qb next year, it's ok most smart Eagles fans agree with you.  

Name the QBs that you think are better than Hurts

26 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

We have a winner 

Name the QBs that you think are better than Hurts

i think hurts can be ranked 8-12 qb ranked. 

54 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

The dual threat argument gets pretty old.  Being honest, our QB is single threat....the wrong threat to win big time in the NFL.  

Hurts would need to be a better passer to be a dual threat.

Hurts Sucks

5 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Can we trade Reagor for Toney? Both making simular contracts since picked at same position in draft, Tony is only 25 days younger then Reagor. Add in a 7th round pick since Toney has an extra left on his contract. 

 

Toney has probably shown more ability in the NFL than Reagor, has an extra year under contract (for whatever that's worth), and has less stink on him due to one bad year instead of two.  So the Eagles would have to throw something in.

It's a clever loser for loser trade, but I don't think the Eagles want a Toney or the Giants want a Reagor.

If only Hurts could complete a pass over 17 yards.....it''ll be the same next year...mediocre stats, a few  wins, be called a runner not a QB, have a couple important passes, and the enablers will shout, give him another years...no real receivers want to come here because he simply cannot throw NFL passes, even though he seems like a nice enough guy

3 hours ago, McMahonHeadband said:

so just a quick heads up, all td's have a high degree of variability from year to year.    There has only been 1 qb with 10 season of 30 td passes and that is brees.   ALso looking back at historical data isn't helpful because this concept of a dual threat qb is a new thing in the nfl.  

 

The reality is that there is no difference between a running td and a throwing td.  The problem is that many qb stats like qb rating doesn't include a qb's running stats.  Also we were the best running team in football ( thanks in large part to hurts) so of course we are going to have less passing td's.   But that doesn't matter, all that matters is that the ball passes through the endzone, if that happens from a pass or run does not matter. Having a dual threat qb in the red zone makes us more dangerous. 

Does it though?  How dangerous was this team against playoff teams?  

 

The reality is that when your QB runs half as many times as he has completions... that that offense is not sustainable.  139 rushes to 265 completions... that's not going to cut it in the NFL for long, and that style almost never works out good in the playoffs.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Does it though?  How dangerous was this team against playoff teams?  

 

The reality is that when your QB runs half as many times as he has completions... that that offense is not sustainable.  139 rushes to 265 completions... that's not going to cut it in the NFL for long, and that style almost never works out good in the playoffs.

And going forward i imagine he will pass more and run less.  That’s usually what happens with young qb’s.  They get better. 

Just now, McMahonHeadband said:

And going forward i imagine he will pass more and run less.  That’s usually what happens with young qb’s.  They get better. 

Even though as this past season went by this past year, he ran more and passed less.