5 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Thursday night. Hurts Huggers gonna keep their tissues close by in case Howie takes a QB.

I mean either way they're set.

47 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Feeding rumors from some fans that AJ brown might be traded to the Eagles, he's entering his contract year.

 

 

Yeah but, what about Kaepernick!?

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yeah but, what about Kaepernick!?

I heard he was catching passes from Greg Ward.

13 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Thursday night. Hurts Huggers gonna keep their tissues close by in case Howie takes a QB.

I might be wasted either way.

On 4/23/2022 at 10:55 AM, Shalodeep said:

No, I've just been a fan of this sport forever and know that running QBs have never worked going back to the beginning of the league. Dual threat doesn't mean what you think it means. Steve young was a duel threat, never needed 10 rushing touchdowns to win MVP. The year cam was an actual dual threat, he THREW for 35tds and running was an addition to his game, not the basis of it. Also, cam had 3 total seasons of 10+ rushing touchdowns. It's literally not sustainable. Rushing QBs have patches in their careers that they miss due to the abuse they can't handle. Cam is a mountain compared to Hurts and still missed time. You gotta try harder than this to defend this guy, cause right now your argument wouldn't work in the college level, let alone the NFL

This argument of running QB's will never work is stupid. There's a nice list of good to great pocket QB's that never won a super bowl, let alone had much playoff success.  Winning a SB is really just a matter of having a solid team, not whether you have some elite QB behind center.  If silly things like that decided each SB winner, then Eli Manning would've never beaten Tom Brady twice in the super bowl. Aaron Rodgers would have more rings, and guys like Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer, and Doug Williams would've never won a SB.

I don't think anyone here expects Hurts to be a top 5 elite QB, but if you have the ability to think rationally you'd know you don't need that to win. Hopefully he'll become a consistent top 10-12 guy, which honestly seems doable.

13 minutes ago, MF POON said:

This argument of running QB's will never work is stupid. There's a nice list of good to great pocket QB's that never won a super bowl, let alone had much playoff success.  Winning a SB is really just a matter of having a solid team, not whether you have some elite QB behind center.  If silly things like that decided each SB winner, then Eli Manning would've never beaten Tom Brady twice in the super bowl. Aaron Rodgers would have more rings, and guys like Nick Foles, Trent Dilfer, and Doug Williams would've never won a SB.

I don't think anyone here expects Hurts to be a top 5 elite QB, but if you have the ability to think rationally you'd know you don't need that to win. Hopefully he'll become a consistent top 10-12 guy, which honestly seems doable.

I know there has been 56 Superbowls and there have been zero Run first quarterbacks to win it. I know the league is leaning towards "dual" threat QBs, but the statues keep getting there and winning it every year. At some point you have to look at it and say there's method for a QB to win a Superbowl, and it isn't running the ball when your shadow snips at your ankles

Also, do you realize that top ten in this league atm is pretty much HoF level talent? I wish people would stop saying that like it's easy. I think he'll fall out of top 20 before he gets to top 10

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I know there has been 56 Superbowls and there have been zero Run first quarterbacks to win it. I know the league is leaning towards "dual" threat QBs, but the statues keep getting there and winning it every year. At some point you have to look at it and say there's method for a QB to win a Superbowl, and it isn't running the ball when your shadow snips at your ankles

Also, do you realize that top ten in this league atm is pretty much HoF level talent? I wish people would stop saying that like it's easy. I think he'll fall out of top 20 before he gets to top 10

I'd say a number of the guys that have been winning are mobile.  And no, there really isn't any "method" for a QB to win a super bowl.  I mean:

"Ben Roethlisberger had a passer rating of 22.6 with 123 yards and 2 interceptions in 1 game in Super Bowl XL versus the Seahawks on February 5, 2006."

13 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd say a number of the guys that have been winning are mobile.  And no, there really isn't any "method" for a QB to win a super bowl.  I mean:

"Ben Roethlisberger had a passer rating of 22.6 with 123 yards and 2 interceptions in 1 game in Super Bowl XL versus the Seahawks on February 5, 2006."

Then why did the running QB's not get there in Big Ben's place ??  Why didn't McNair do something about it.  Why didn't Mcnabb and Vick get there instead of Hasselback ??

28 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd say a number of the guys that have been winning are mobile.  And no, there really isn't any "method" for a QB to win a super bowl.  I mean:

"Ben Roethlisberger had a passer rating of 22.6 with 123 yards and 2 interceptions in 1 game in Super Bowl XL versus the Seahawks on February 5, 2006."

Mobile is different than what you are defending. Hurts is a quick read and run guy. That's not mobile, that's a running quarterback. Mahomes will move when needed (mobile-ish only one year over 350 yards), Brady (statue), Stafford (statue), Foles (statue)....I can keep coming up with the list of you need it. Lots of Brady spoiler alert

40 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I'd say a number of the guys that have been winning are mobile.  And no, there really isn't any "method" for a QB to win a super bowl.  I mean:

"Ben Roethlisberger had a passer rating of 22.6 with 123 yards and 2 interceptions in 1 game in Super Bowl XL versus the Seahawks on February 5, 2006."

How many yards did he gain running?

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

I know there has been 56 Superbowls and there have been zero Run first quarterbacks to win it.

How many made it to the Super Bowl?

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

How many made it to the Super Bowl?

I will very few if any.  You got some list of them that will blow us away ??

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Then why did the running QB's not get there in Big Ben's place ??  Why didn't McNair do something about it.  Why didn't Mcnabb and Vick get there instead of Hasselback ??

Well two of them did get there (Mcnabb/McNair), they just didn't win.  Didn't Dan Marino get there too, yet fail? Why'd he go his whole career never doing anything about it? Again, I think some of you purposely fail to use logic when making arguments. 

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Well two of them did get there (Mcnabb/McNair), they just didn't win.  Didn't Dan Marino get there too, yet fail? Why'd he go his whole career never doing anything about it? Again, I think some of you purposely fail to use logic when making arguments. 

There is one winner and 31 losers every year.  The fact that Marino style QB's do the winning is the point.  

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Mobile is different than what you are defending. Hurts is a quick read and run guy. That's not mobile, that's a running quarterback. Mahomes will move when needed (mobile-ish only one year over 350 yards), Brady (statue), Stafford (statue), Foles (statue)....I can keep coming up with the list of you need it. Lots of Brady spoiler alert

Your argument was that only statues have been winning, which is nonsense. Mahomes isn't a statue. Russell WIlson isn't a statue. Aaron Rodgers, Roethlisberger,  Elway, etc.  The term you want to use is pocket passer, and even the assumption that you have to fit that mold to win is silly.  

I'm not really defending the running/mobile QB as I'm defending the idea that one mold of QB doesn't equate to success.  If you want to say a predominantly running QB like Lamar Jackson, or Hurts hasn't won a SB that's fine, but to say no running QB can ever do it seems foolish.  

18 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Your argument was that only statues have been winning, which is nonsense. Mahomes isn't a statue. Russell WIlson isn't a statue. Aaron Rodgers, Roethlisberger,  Elway, etc.  The term you want to use is pocket passer, and even the assumption that you have to fit that mold to win is silly.  

I'm not really defending the running/mobile QB as I'm defending the idea that one mold of QB doesn't equate to success.  If you want to say a predominantly running QB like Lamar Jackson, or Hurts hasn't won a SB that's fine, but to say no running QB can ever do it seems foolish.  

Only one of those who had serious rushing yards in a single season was Wilson. My point is Hurts style doesn't win rings. Never has

54 minutes ago, downundermike said:

There is one winner and 31 losers every year.  The fact that Marino style QB's do the winning is the point.  

This ignores the fact that 95+ percent of the qbs are "Marino" style. Joe Flacco winning a Super Bowl and Steve McNair losing one has nothing to do with their style. It's just simple math.

But McNair got to the Super Bowl as a bad passer and a good runner. Just like Kaepernick and Russell Wilson (who was a worse passer than Hurts the year he went) did.

The fact that there are so few players like them doesn't mean they can't win. It's like saying a team with an Australian rugby player at left tackle can't win a Super Bowl because no one can name a team that won a Super Bowl with an Australian rugby player at left tackle.

 

    

9 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

 

But McNair got to the Super Bowl as a bad passer and a good runner. Just like Kaepernick and Russell Wilson (who was a worse passer than Hurts the year he went) did.

  

....Steve McNair for his time period was an average passer, definitely not bad so no idea where you got that from. Only had two seasons over 450 yards rushing. Man could run, but wasn't his only weapon.  Second.... Russell threw more touchdowns, less interceptions, and higher completion percentage, and that was with lynch getting 1300 yards and 13 touchdowns and the legion of boom handing the ball back over and over again. You can stop trying now. 

 

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

....Steve McNair for his time period was an average passer, definitely not bad so no idea where you got that from. Only had two seasons over 450 yards rushing. Man could run, but wasn't his only weapon.  Second.... Russell threw more touchdowns, less interceptions, and higher completion percentage, and that was with lynch getting 1300 yards and 13 touchdowns and the legion of boom handing the ball back over and over again. You can stop trying now. 

 

And neither were run first QB's like Hurts.

Since we a day away from the draft I thought I would check in and see what y'all were talking about, I also was looking around on the Falcons board.

There is a thread on Falcons board about the need to get a running QB in order to win in the NFL now. I come here and y'all are saying basically the opposite thing. Falcon fans  didn't like the way Ryan was not a running QB but very accurate with the ball, Falcon fans loved Vick running around and were okay with him not be able to throw the ball accurately, y'all don't like having a running QB in Hurts and the way he runs all  around and the fact he is not throwing the ball accurately. Isn't it just a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?

It will always be up for debate.

9 minutes ago, Bamabird said:

Since we a day away from the draft I thought I would check in and see what y'all were talking about, I also was looking around on the Falcons board.

There is a thread on Falcons board about the need to get a running QB in order to win in the NFL now. I come here and y'all are saying basically the opposite thing. Falcon fans  didn't like the way Ryan was not a running QB but very accurate with the ball, Falcon fans loved Vick running around and were okay with him not be able to throw the ball accurately, y'all don't like having a running QB in Hurts and the way he runs all  around and the fact he is not throwing the ball accurately. Isn't it just a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?

It will always be up for debate.

Sometimes it's just what the fan base is into. You have to go all the way back to 2014 to have a true mobile QB to win a ring and before that .... Who knows. Running QB never wins so there's that

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Sometimes it's just what the fan base is into. You have to go all the way back to 2014 to have a true mobile QB to win a ring and before that .... Who knows. Running QB never wins so there's that

100% correct.  It is the Madden generation of football.

9 minutes ago, Bamabird said:

Since we a day away from the draft I thought I would check in and see what y'all were talking about, I also was looking around on the Falcons board.

There is a thread on Falcons board about the need to get a running QB in order to win in the NFL now. I come here and y'all are saying basically the opposite thing. Falcon fans  didn't like the way Ryan was not a running QB but very accurate with the ball, Falcon fans loved Vick running around and were okay with him not be able to throw the ball accurately, y'all don't like having a running QB in Hurts and the way he runs all  around and the fact he is not throwing the ball accurately. Isn't it just a case of the grass being greener on the other side of the fence?

It will always be up for debate.

Until such time that "a QB who’s game is moreso defined by their ability and propensity to take off and run with the ball, and less so by their ability to diagnose the defense, and make smart decisions and consistently deliver accurate passes” start to lead teams to championships, I think the debate will be pretty much settled. 

42 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This ignores the fact that 95+ percent of the qbs are "Marino" style. Joe Flacco winning a Super Bowl and Steve McNair losing one has nothing to do with their style. It's just simple math.

But McNair got to the Super Bowl as a bad passer and a good runner. Just like Kaepernick and Russell Wilson (who was a worse passer than Hurts the year he went) did.

The fact that there are so few players like them doesn't mean they can't win. It's like saying a team with an Australian rugby player at left tackle can't win a Super Bowl because no one can name a team that won a Super Bowl with an Australian rugby player at left tackle.

 

    

LOL thank you!

Sucks that if we end up drafting Jamo, stat wise he'll have a horrible rookie year because Hurts scrub arse will be throwing to him. Plus side is our 2023 qb will have plenty of toys at his disposal