2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You can do better than that. JJAW is a second round pick and cheap and he doesn't start.

But they won't get rid of him, because Howie.  Maybe the will move Hurts to RB like the moved JJAWful to TE.

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You can do better than that. JJAW is a second round pick and cheap and he doesn't start.

No I can't. Jjaw shouldn't be on this team and that obvious to everyone. This team loves holding when it doesn't make any sense what so ever. Hurts is there to hold the forte down until 2023. Will won't really know what the coaches scheme is for two years, what our receivers are worth for two years, what the true value of any running back will be....it's actually pretty awful. 

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Will won't really know what the coaches scheme is for two years

We already know, but after Hurts could not deliver early in the season, the Eagles had to change and go run heavy.

Tampa Bay played defensively based on this, took away the run as they knew Hurts could not execute the passing offense, as they have evidence based on the Eagles season.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

We already know, but after Hurts could not deliver early in the season, the Eagles had to change and go run heavy.

Tampa Bay played defensively based on this, took away the run as they knew Hurts could not execute the passing offense, as they have evidence based on the Eagles season.

That's fair. Curious of how much money Miles lost with Hurts taking quite a few touchdowns out of his belly to run it in himself 

12 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

No I can't.

You can, you just don't want to. 

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

You can, you just don't want to. 

I'm not able to justify a starting quarterback who averages 1.16 throwing touchdowns a game when there is a quarterback on the bench who got 1.86 a game. The only way to justify it is he was a second round pick and he is cheap while the rest of the team is building. He will be a cheap stop gap who will never get that 30+ million contract he will chasing next year. 

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I'm not able to justify a starting quarterback who averages 1.16 throwing touchdowns a game when there is a quarterback on the bench who got 1.86 a game. The only way to justify it is he was a second round pick and he is cheap while the rest of the team is building. He will be a cheap stop gap who will never get that 30+ million contract he will chasing next year. 

So you don't think there is any legitimate argument to Hurts starting ahead of Minshew other than draft position? You can't look at the situation and come up with any other reason? Effectively, you are saying that you went through all the evidence from the past season and arrived at the conclusion that "second round pick" is the one and only possible answer.

Impressive.

6 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So you don't think there is any legitimate argument to Hurts starting ahead of Minshew other than draft position? You can't look at the situation and come up with any other reason? Effectively, you are saying that you went through all the evidence from the past season and arrived at the conclusion that "second round pick" is the one and only possible answer.

Impressive.

I think Jalen gets rushing TDs. He got 10 last year. Minshew had 1 rushing TD for Jax and just 1 over 22 career games.

Minshew has better passer rating. completion percentage and throws for more TDs.

 

1 minute ago, CouchKing said:

I think Jalen gets rushing TDs. He got 10 last year. Minshew had 1 rushing TD for Jax and just 1 over 22 career games.

Yup, it seems like a pretty obvious thing. A qb who scores a lot of rushing TDs has value. So you could use that as an argument why the team would play Hurts over Minshew.

For people not to even acknowledge that fact seems odd to me.

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Yup, it seems like a pretty obvious thing. A qb who scores a lot of rushing TDs has value. So you could use that as an argument why the team would play Hurts over Minshew.

For people not to even acknowledge that fact seems odd to me.

But adding those rushing TD's still does not move the needle.  His 26 total TD's were still less than Carson Wentz 27 passing TD's last year, and real QB's are throwing 35+ TD's like it is no big deal.

Wentz also threw less interceptions than Hurts with 84 more passing attempts.

16 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

So you don't think there is any legitimate argument to Hurts starting ahead of Minshew other than draft position? You can't look at the situation and come up with any other reason? Effectively, you are saying that you went through all the evidence from the past season and arrived at the conclusion that "second round pick" is the one and only possible answer.

Impressive.

Minshew got a quarter of Hurts throwing touchdowns for the year in a game....the ONLY reason Hurts starts is he was a second round pick that was drafted by THIS team, and for no other reason. In an open competition, Hurts would fall flat on his ass

16 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But adding those rushing TD's still does not move the needle.  His 26 total TD's were still less than Carson Wentz 27 passing TD's last year, and real QB's are throwing 35+ TD's like it is no big deal.

Wentz also threw less interceptions than Hurts with 84 more passing attempts.

But this is my argument, isn't it? We can all agree that Wentz is a legit NFL starter, and I have a harder time seeing the argument for the Colts to trade him than I do for the Eagles to bench Hurts. I also think WFT made the best move of the offseason, though they probably overpaid for him.

And if we can all agree that Wentz is a mid-tier starter in the NFL, and he put up 28 total TDs and 12 turnovers in 17 games, than it seems that we can all, at the very least, comprehend why the Eagles would start Hurts who put up 26 TDs and 11 turnovers in 15 games.  

5 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

But this is my argument, isn't it? We can all agree that Wentz is a legit NFL starter, and I have a harder time seeing the argument for the Colts to trade him than I do for the Eagles to bench Hurts. I also think WFT made the best move of the offseason, though they probably overpaid for him.

And if we can all agree that Wentz is a mid-tier starter in the NFL, and he put up 28 total TDs and 12 turnovers in 17 games, than it seems that we can all, at the very least, comprehend why the Eagles would start Hurts who put up 26 TDs and 11 turnovers in 15 games.  

Wentz also distributed the ball to the point they had a 1000 yard receiver and the top running back in the league instead of him trying to be a top running back in the league. When the chips are on the table, coaches don't want to rely on their QB to be the runner. If Hurts comes out and throws 25tds and 12ints with 64%, everyone would completely back off him. He shouldn't need his legs to get to average QB touchdowns

Just now, Shalodeep said:

If Hurts comes out and throws 25tds and 12ints with 64%, everyone would completely back off him.

Is that not possible? He already has a low interception rate. Is it really that inconceivable that he could throw nine more TDs this coming season?

You must feel that way, since you want him benched, right?  

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Is that not possible? He already has a low interception rate. Is it really that inconceivable that he could throw nine more TDs this coming season?

You must feel that way, since you want him benched, right?  

I think that a QB who only throws 16 touchdowns (4 in complete junk time) isn't something to get excited about. 9 touchdowns is a lot and his touchdown to interception ratio is horrible so no idea where you got that from 

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I think that a QB who only throws 16 touchdowns (4 in complete junk time) isn't something to get excited about. 9 touchdowns is a lot and his touchdown to interception ratio is horrible so no idea where you got that from 

It's almost a certainty that he would have had two or three more TDs just by playing 17 games. So it's really 6 or 7 TDs.

I get that you don't think he can achieve that goal. But what I find odd is that you hold the opinion that he absolutely can't do it, and that the team is making a catastrophic mistake by even letting him try.

That's what I struggle to understand, especially since the upside is getting a qb1, and the downside is that we pick a qb next year.

I get the argument exists that Minshew could come in and probably throw for 25 TDs in a season. But I don't think anyone is arguing that he is going to throw 35 TDs, whereas there is an argument that Hurts could throw for 25 TDs and run for 10 more. So if the goal is to get a qb who can generate 35 TDs or more, it makes a lot of sense to me to play the guy who might get there, rather than one who, if he did get there, would be a major shock to everyone connected to pro football. 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

Because he was a second round pick and he is cheap on a team with not a lot of money 

This and Howie needs to save face for the debacle he created at the position by wasting the pick.

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

It's almost a certainty that he would have had two or three more TDs just by playing 17 games. So it's really 6 or 7 TDs.

I get that you don't think he can achieve that goal. But what I find odd is that you hold the opinion that he absolutely can't do it, and that the team is making a catastrophic mistake by even letting him try.

That's what I struggle to understand, especially since the upside is getting a qb1, and the downside is that we pick a qb next year.

I get the argument exists that Minshew could come in and probably throw for 25 TDs in a season. But I don't think anyone is arguing that he is going to throw 35 TDs, whereas there is an argument that Hurts could throw for 25 TDs and run for 10 more. So if the goal is to get a qb who can generate 35 TDs or more, it makes a lot of sense to me to play the guy who might get there, rather than one who, if he did get there, would be a major shock to everyone connected to pro football. 

You think.... You make my head hurt. If he throws for 25, he isn't going to run 10 in. Hell, there in only one QB in NFL history who has done that more than once in his career. Hurts may be the second, but his throwing TDS and body will suffer....again. He already got hurt last year doing this reckless style. His ceiling is probably around 30tds combined. You need to understand how the lead running back got zero touchdowns. That shouldn't happen again, so there are probably 4tds taken away from his legs there. 

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

You think.... You make my head hurt. If he throws for 25, he isn't going to run 10 in. Hell, there in only one QB in NFL history who has done that more than once in his career. Hurts may be the second, but his throwing TDS and body will suffer....again. He already got hurt last year doing this reckless style. His ceiling is probably around 30tds combined. You need to understand how the lead running back got zero touchdowns. That shouldn't happen again, so there are probably 4tds taken away from his legs there. 

Our running backs had 15 TDs last year. That's more than the running backs for the Cowboys, Giants and Washington had. So I don't understand where you are getting the idea that Hurts running for TDs negatively impacted our TD production from the running back position.

In terms of injuries, he missed one game.

Also, you state his ceiling is 30 TDs over a 17 game season, when last year he had 26 TDs in 15 games, which projects to 30 TDs over 17 games.

So I guess I don't see how these arguments are moving the ball down the field in your quest to prove that Hurts should be benched. If anything, you are going in the opposite direction. 

33 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Our running backs had 15 TDs last year. That's more than the running backs for the Cowboys, Giants and Washington had. So I don't understand where you are getting the idea that Hurts running for TDs negatively impacted our TD production from the running back position.

In terms of injuries, he missed one game.

Also, you state his ceiling is 30 TDs over a 17 game season, when last year he had 26 TDs in 15 games, which projects to 30 TDs over 17 games.

So I guess I don't see how these arguments are moving the ball down the field in your quest to prove that Hurts should be benched. If anything, you are going in the opposite direction. 

I'm really not going backwards at all. He isn't a good thrower of the football. My stance hasn't changed at all from that. I didn't say he'd only throw 16 touchdowns each year for the rest of his career. I'm saying there is almost nothing to be excited about. Winston threw 14 in in 7 games.... I'm sure burrow beat his touchdown count in like 5 games. If you like him as a player, I get it. Fun to watch at times. I get that....a good player, but a very below average QB atm. I've also said that he's a six foot man with a seven foot ceiling so a tiny growth 26 to 30 is all I can see. He is better Tebow right now. All I've seen so far from him 

 

With the RB touchdown things you picked an awful team, a team who has no offensive identity so they got our old QB, and a team who's QB broke the franchise's TD record.... Context sir, you lack it 

7 hours ago, jsb235 said:

So you also want Mac Jones replaced? Or is down 27-3 at halftime so much better than losing 31-0 at the end of the third?

I haven't seen enough of Mac Jones to say. I have watched enough of the 2021Eagles to know WHY they had scored 0 points through 3 quarters.

12 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

I haven't seen enough of Mac Jones to say. I have watched enough of the 2021Eagles to know WHY they had scored 0 points through 3 quarters.

Maybe watch more football? It would probably give you some perspective on the qb position.

26 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Maybe watch more football? It would probably give you some perspective on the qb position.

Coming from the guy who likes a running back at QB and think it's the same thing 

Here is a question for you. You brought up youth and early success. Do you feel Tebow should of gotten another season as Denver's guy? Had a winning record, has a play off win with great stats... Or was it easy to see he wasn't  the guy? For many of us, it's easy to see hurts isnt guy...we just don't have the replacement Denver had 

On 4/25/2022 at 1:14 PM, CouchKing said:

Thursday night. Hurts Huggers gonna keep their tissues close by in case Howie takes a QB.

Not only did they not take a qb, they traded for Hurts' best friend.

Smith, Brown, Watkins and Goedert are arguably one of the best groups of pass catchers in the league.

And we will know whether or not Hurts is the guy after this year, and have two first round picks next year to get a qb.

Just now, jsb235 said:

Not only did they not take a qb, they traded for Hurts' best friend.

Smith, Brown, Watkins and Goedert are arguably one of the best groups of pass catchers in the league.

And we will know whether or not Hurts is the guy after this year, and have two first round picks next year to get a qb.

Except with the Davis trade up and the Brown trade, only 4 remaining picks in the draft.  Still need a DE, LB, CB and S.  I sure hope Hurts is the answer, otherwise Howie just set this franchise back 5 years.