1 hour ago, MeccaDon123 said:

Stop linking Hurts to the bad decision re giving Wentz all that money. Calling this a Wasted pick after what we have witnessed with Wentz is just not accurate. This kid can play football. Sure we don't want to anoint him after 1 game.. but we could be looking at McCown under center right now while wondering what the hell we're gonna do about the most important position in football re: our future... but because of that 2nd round pick..we already know what we're gonna do. Wentz sits down.. and suddenly there are no sacks and Alshon has a TD catch.. 

He didn't just "have a good game".. he looked like a good NFL QB vs the league's best defense. .. behind 2nd and 3rd string o linemen.. that accounts for something a little more than "having a good game". This pick doesn't just NOT look wasted.. with wentzs' regression..it now looks freaking brilliant. Whether we like it or not. 

The two decisions are absolutely linked. You don’t see teams like SF, Minn and Seattle drafting QB’s in the 2nd round. Why? Because they just committed to their QB and want to draft weapons for him and/or build a defense. SF is in a very similar situation as the Eagles since Jimmy G can’t stay healthy either. If you want a backup, then wait until the 4th round or stick with Sudfeld. 
 

It was a very wishy washy decision to give Wentz the contract.  Basically, you told him and the team you’re committed to him but then you draft another QB in the 2nd round when you could’ve given Wentz some help instead. If they weren’t sure on Wentz, then let him play out his contract and slap the franchise tag on him. QB is such a different animal since you can only play one at a time. Why do you need to spend a lot of capital when you only play one. 

3 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

The mobility alone got us several first downs and kept the chains moving.  I agree that Jalen made some really quick and smart decisions.   This was the reason sacks were low because he either got the ball out quick or got the 1st down with his legs.   He only made one bad rookie mistake with the fumble.   Nice balance of run and pass.   Took what the defense gave him.  Also he had another 4th Down TD but to Alshon after last week's 4th and 18 TD.   I give his performance a Grade of A.  It would be an A+ but I have to dock him for fumble.  When was the last time we had a 100 yards Rushing for a QB? Vick? Mcnabb?  Wow.  

I'd say the near pick 6 was another bad rookie mistake 

17 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

The two decisions are absolutely linked. You don’t see teams like SF, Minn and Seattle drafting QB’s in the 2nd round. Why? Because they just committed to their QB and want to draft weapons for him and/or build a defense. SF is in a very similar situation as the Eagles since Jimmy G can’t stay healthy either. If you want a backup, then wait until the 4th round or stick with Sudfeld. 
 

It was a very wishy washy decision to give Wentz the contract.  Basically, you told him and the team you’re committed to him but then you draft another QB in the 2nd round when you could’ve given Wentz some help instead. If they weren’t sure on Wentz, then let him play out his contract and slap the franchise tag on him. QB is such a different animal since you can only play one at a time. Why do you need to spend a lot of capital when you only play one. 

I don’t get what you are crying about here. So because they drafted hurts that somehow made wentz suck tremendously this year? 

1 hour ago, Jeep_man said:

Ohh boi, Skip Bayless is going totally destroy Shannon Walk it to em Wentz today..

Those shows are ratings bait with someone playing a role for or against. 

2 hours ago, MeccaDon123 said:

Stop linking Hurts to the bad decision re giving Wentz all that money. Calling this a Wasted pick after what we have witnessed with Wentz is just not accurate. This kid can play football. Sure we don't want to anoint him after 1 game.. but we could be looking at McCown under center right now while wondering what the hell we're gonna do about the most important position in football re: our future... but because of that 2nd round pick..we already know what we're gonna do. Wentz sits down.. and suddenly there are no sacks and Alshon has a TD catch.. 

He didn't just "have a good game".. he looked like a good NFL QB vs the league's best defense. .. behind 2nd and 3rd string o linemen.. that accounts for something a little more than "having a good game". This pick doesn't just NOT look wasted.. with wentzs' regression..it now looks freaking brilliant. Whether we like it or not. 

Then I guess you'd be alright if we picked a QB in round 2 next year, just in case we need him. 

1 hour ago, Han Solo said:

Then I guess you'd be alright if we picked a QB in round 2 next year, just in case we need him. 

No injury history with Hurts.. It's his 1st year.. and he hasn't been "broken" because a backup QB came in and won a SB. Soooo yeah.. we don't need 1 . 

 

It's time for the Wentz folk to come to grips with what the Eagles front office have noticed. I have no clue why they gave him all that money but they probably thought 1 of 2 things would happen. It would either A. Clear his mind from contract stuff and allow him to focus on football.. or 2. He would crumble under the pressure and or get hurt..AGAIN.. and they'd need an insurance policy. They took the insurance policy with a 2nd round pick.. and well well well.. what do you know... THEY NEEDED IT. This sht is chess man.. not checkers. It's a business.. and SOMEBODY in the front office had a feeling Wentz would crumble.. so they talked everyone else into taking Hurts. And it appears to have paid off. Could you imagine having to put McCown in right now because of how Wentz looks? 

1 hour ago, Road to Victory said:

The two decisions are absolutely linked. You don’t see teams like SF, Minn and Seattle drafting QB’s in the 2nd round. Why? Because they just committed to their QB and want to draft weapons for him and/or build a defense. SF is in a very similar situation as the Eagles since Jimmy G can’t stay healthy either. If you want a backup, then wait until the 4th round or stick with Sudfeld. 
 

It was a very wishy washy decision to give Wentz the contract.  Basically, you told him and the team you’re committed to him but then you draft another QB in the 2nd round when you could’ve given Wentz some help instead. If they weren’t sure on Wentz, then let him play out his contract and slap the franchise tag on him. QB is such a different animal since you can only play one at a time. Why do you need to spend a lot of capital when you only play one. 

They thought Djax would last 1 more year. They didn't know Alshon would get hurt. They have Ertz and Goedert. Sanders is a beast.. and they brought in Reagor. What other weapons? They missed on JJAW. It happens. They hoped he'd show something this year. He hasn't.

Listen, all Wentz had to do was manage games better. It wasn't just "missing receivers".. he was making horrible decisions game in and game out. He was leading the league in turnovers. Hurts literally made our 3rd string Oline look decent vs the best D in the league. He didn't go for 300 yrds and 3 TDs... his numbers weren't even great.. but you know what he did? He managed the game without looking horrible.. and we won .. against 1 of the best teams in the league. 

All that other stuff is water under the bridge.. it happened. I'd almost understand if Hurts looked as bad as Wentz, then we'd know we have to blow it up. But we don't. Saints were giving up 9 points per game. If Elliott doesn't miss that chipshot.. we just hung 30 on the best D in the league. All of a sudden defenses have to account for Hurts leaving the pocket.. and we are converting 3rd downs. Teams laughed at our play action pass. They knew Wentz wasn't going anywhere on RPOs. The entire league can tell Wentz isn't the same QB and Wentz's performances were becoming obviously painful. 

Only 57% completions for only 167 yards.  And he ran the hall more times than Sanders.  That's not a recipe for a long-term winning QB.

9 minutes ago, MeccaDon123 said:

They thought Djax would last 1 more year. They didn't know Alshon would get hurt. They have Ertz and Goedert. Sanders is a beast.. and they brought in Reagor. What other weapons? They missed on JJAW. It happens. They hoped he'd show something this year. He hasn't.

Listen, all Wentz had to do was manage games better. It wasn't just "missing receivers".. he was making horrible decisions game in and game out. He was leading the league in turnovers. Hurts literally made our 3rd string Oline look decent vs the best D in the league. He didn't go for 300 yrds and 3 TDs... his numbers weren't even great.. but you know what he did? He managed the game without looking horrible.. and we won .. against 1 of the best teams in the league. 

All that other stuff is water under the bridge.. it happened. I'd almost understand if Hurts looked as bad as Wentz, then we'd know we have to blow it up. But we don't. Saints were giving up 9 points per game. If Elliott doesn't miss that chipshot.. we just hung 30 on the best D in the league. All of a sudden defenses have to account for Hurts leaving the pocket.. and we are converting 3rd downs. Teams laughed at our play action pass. They knew Wentz wasn't going anywhere on RPOs. The entire league can tell Wentz isn't the same QB and Wentz's performances were becoming obviously painful. 

Basically, my point they had a chance to make the team better in the 2nd round and chose to add depth rather than another starter. If they don’t sign Wentz to that deal, I’m on board with drafting a QB. You would then need a contingency plan. 

1 hour ago, BirdsFanBill said:

I don’t get what you are crying about here. So because they drafted hurts that somehow made wentz suck tremendously this year? 

Did I say that? They had a chance to make the team better but added depth instead. 

 

Like someone once said, let's no go sucking each other's Ds yet. This was one game that we easily could have lost. The Saints should have recovered that onsides kick at the end, we got lucky. 

The difference today obviously was Hurt's mobility and making something out of nothing. That's what you need when you have a team with crappy receivers. We've been missing that ever since Carson knees went out. 

6 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Doesn't even need to be that, just sliding around the pocket and taking a few steps outside to throw it away is all that is needed. Not wait till it's to late then try to take on and break tackles of 4 defensive lineman 

Agreed that's a major major help too. 

1 hour ago, ilikepargo said:

Only 57% completions for only 167 yards.  And he ran the hall more times than Sanders.  That's not a recipe for a long-term winning QB.

Against #1 defense!!!! Look at the scoreboard and it says W. Look at the supporting cast (Our OL sucks)!! Look at the injuries in the secondary we still got a W!!!! Bottom line ....quick decision making and no negative plays, like the ones with Wentz, better runner...and until something happens we have our new starting QB. 

2 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

Only 57% completions for only 167 yards.  And he ran the hall more times than Sanders.  That's not a recipe for a long-term winning QB.

What's your point? Nobody should be announcing Hurts as the long term answer. 

3 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

Only 57% completions for only 167 yards.  And he ran the hall more times than Sanders.  That's not a recipe for a long-term winning QB.

It was fun to watch and interesting to see Doug fit the offense to Hurts' strengths in a one game.  That said, it's pretty clear through history that that type of offense is not sustainable.

He's a change of pace QB and that's what we saw.  Time will tell if he becomes more than that.

 

5 hours ago, Road to Victory said:

The two decisions are absolutely linked. You don’t see teams like SF, Minn and Seattle drafting QB’s in the 2nd round. Why? Because they just committed to their QB and want to draft weapons for him and/or build a defense. SF is in a very similar situation as the Eagles since Jimmy G can’t stay healthy either. If you want a backup, then wait until the 4th round or stick with Sudfeld. 
 

It was a very wishy washy decision to give Wentz the contract.  Basically, you told him and the team you’re committed to him but then you draft another QB in the 2nd round when you could’ve given Wentz some help instead. If they weren’t sure on Wentz, then let him play out his contract and slap the franchise tag on him. QB is such a different animal since you can only play one at a time. Why do you need to spend a lot of capital when you only play one. 

The guy got his block knocked off in the biggest game of his career (albeit was cheap). That changed things. Had Wentz stayed healthy and some how won a playoff game or hell even just played well no way in hell you see the Hurts pick. That pick was purely reactive to Wentz's injury history and his potential to regress. Now here we are.

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

What's your point? Nobody should be announcing Hurts as the long term answer. 

Hurts has all the right ingredients. After he was drafted...and bunch of nay sayers were crying Why? I read up on him. He was a very polished QB and at the time made no sense as a mere backup QB. But due to Wentz unexpected regression...it makes all the sense in the world to continue to develop Hurts and trade Wentz next year. Yes most people will say that is impossible...But despite Wentz's high salary I think that Wentz may still be traceable to Colts, or someone also due to rapidly rising QB salaries. And if that happens Hurts may be a steal. I like him!!!

11 minutes ago, Traveler Vic said:

Hurts has all the right ingredients. After he was drafted...and bunch of nay sayers were crying Why? I read up on him. He was a very polished QB and at the time made no sense as a mere backup QB. But due to Wentz unexpected regression...it makes all the sense in the world to continue to develop Hurts and trade Wentz next year. Yes most people will say that is impossible...But despite Wentz's high salary I think that Wentz may still be traceable to Colts, or someone also due to rapidly rising QB salaries. And if that happens Hurts may be a steal. I like him!!!

Hurts has some good attributes. He's got some attributes that may lend to him becoming a good NFL QB. But let's not get too carried away right now. 

For argument’s sake, let’s say they steal the division with Hurts, then he manages to win a playoff game... at that point, Wentz is completely done in Philly. Maybe he can turn things around and become a good QB, but I don’t see it happening here. 
 

That’s obviously a bit of a long shot, they’d have to win out and have Washington and NY both lose another game I believe, but it’s possible if they can just get through this next game with a W. 

43 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Hurts has some good attributes. He's got some attributes that may lend to him becoming a good NFL QB. But let's not get too carried away right now. 

I like his potential. He has all of intangibles that you want in an NFL QB. Makes good decisions, he’s been accurate in the limited time we’ve seen him, good pocket awareness. Arm strength is solid, maybe not a cannon but he definitely has an NFL arm. 
 

 Give him a full offseason and training camp primarily working on reading defenses and going through progressions, and they may have something here. 

3 minutes ago, nipples said:

I like his potential. He has all of intangibles that you want in an NFL QB. Makes good decisions, he’s been accurate in the limited time we’ve seen him, good pocket awareness. Arm strength is solid, maybe not a cannon but he definitely has an NFL arm. 
 

 Give him a full offseason and training camp primarily working on reading defenses and going through progressions, and they may have something here. 

I mean look... He makes quick decisions, he's able to use his feet to make plays and he's got a strong enough arm to succeed in the NFL. But it is one game and he also has traits that may lend to struggle in the NFL.

4 minutes ago, nipples said:

he’s been accurate in the limited time we’ve seen him

He is completing 55% of his passes, lets pump the breaks a little.  A ton of back ups look good starting out the gate.  

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean look... He makes quick decisions, he's able to use his feet to make plays and he's got a strong enough arm to succeed in the NFL. But it is one game and he also has traits that may lend to struggle in the NFL.

I’m not denying that, but all I’m saying is I think there is a CHANCE that he becomes a really good starting QB. Not saying he is there yet, but if you ask me right now what I think is more likely.. Wentz fixing his issues and become a top 10 QB, or Hurts becoming one... I’m going with Hurts. 

Just now, downundermike said:

He is completing 55% of his passes, lets pump the breaks a little.  A ton of back ups look good starting out the gate.  

The percentage has nothing to do with his accuracy. His throws were on target aside from maybe two passes. The percentage was low primarily because when the pocket collapsed, he actually got out of the pocket and threw the ball away. Unlike another QB on this roster.