3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He is completing 55% of his passes, lets pump the breaks a little.  A ton of back ups look good starting out the gate.  

That’s a bit of an empty stat and you know it.  He threw a lot of balls away yesterday as he recognized that the play wasn’t there.  Something Dentz wouldn’t do.

4 minutes ago, nipples said:

I’m not denying that, but all I’m saying is I think there is a CHANCE that he becomes a really good starting QB. Not saying he is there yet, but if you ask me right now what I think is more likely.. Wentz fixing his issues and become a top 10 QB, or Hurts becoming one... I’m going with Hurts. 

I think that's a stretch right now. I think sadly the answer is neither will go on to become top 10 QBs at this point.

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think that's a stretch right now. I think sadly the answer is neither will go on to become top 10 QBs at this point.

We will see. I think a lot of people are downplaying Hurts passing ability. Throws were almost all right on the money, and he throws a catchable ball. 
 

One huge difference early in the game, was a little thing but the little swing pass to Sanders that hit him right in stride so he could get a nice gain on it. Wentz is consistently making Sanders have to stop, or even go up to get a high throw on those and they go nowhere. And that’s an issue has had for years, not just this season. 
 

Again, we need to see more still, but I think between the two Hurts has a better chance of becoming a good long-term answer. Not saying it’s a great chance, but better. 

1 hour ago, nipples said:

For argument’s sake, let’s say they steal the division with Hurts, then he manages to win a playoff game... at that point, Wentz is completely done in Philly. Maybe he can turn things around and become a good QB, but I don’t see it happening here. 
 

That’s obviously a bit of a long shot, they’d have to win out and have Washington and NY both lose another game I believe, but it’s possible if they can just get through this next game with a W. 

I don’t think Wentz is at all salvageable under a structure that includes Howie and Doug. He needs to be moved, or both Doug and Howie need to be moved. 

3 hours ago, judunno said:

The guy got his block knocked off in the biggest game of his career (albeit was cheap). That changed things. Had Wentz stayed healthy and some how won a playoff game or hell even just played well no way in hell you see the Hurts pick. That pick was purely reactive to Wentz's injury history and his potential to regress. Now here we are.

So if Russell Wilson gets a concussion in the playoffs this year, should Seattle spend a 2nd rounder on a QB next year? 
 

Any QB can get hurt at any time. Maybe the thinking should’ve been "let’s spend a 2nd rounder on the OL so Wentz is better protected”. 

if it's the same plays that hurts is the running then the problem is wentz not because he's broken, it's because he wants to do what he wants. all he wants to do is gun-sling the ball every time, that's his mentality, after foles won the sb, it probably got him jealous and wants to be like foles which is not his skillset and hurting this team. even if he gets traded, dont think it's going change his mindset, you see him the press talking about not changing the way plays, no coaches are going to change him. he's set in his own ways.

31 minutes ago, Road to Victory said:

So if Russell Wilson gets a concussion in the playoffs this year, should Seattle spend a 2nd rounder on a QB next year? 
 

Any QB can get hurt at any time. Maybe the thinking should’ve been "let’s spend a 2nd rounder on the OL so Wentz is better protected”. 

If a guy they have highly rated is there, absolutely.  Wilson is 32. Good teams are always looking at quarterback prospects. 

7 hours ago, ilikepargo said:

Only 57% completions for only 167 yards.  And he ran the hall more times than Sanders.  That's not a recipe for a long-term winning QB.

This is true but it was game one of his NFL career vs the best D. He found a way to win. 

9 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

This is true but it was game one of his NFL career vs the best D. He found a way to win. 

Of course there needs to be caution and let’s see how the rest of the season goes.

But I’m not sure how you can be an Eagles fan and not be really excited about Hurts.

The game changes at warp speed and Hurts is better suited to the way it's going:  strong, fast and mobile, making plays with his feet and his arm.  Kyler Murray, who we'll see Sunday, is in that mold.  Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Taysom Hill.  All guys who reflect the position today. 

Big, rangy quarterbacks who stand in the pocket and try to throw strikes, like Roethlisberger and Wentz are dinosaurs. 

Doug is either in love with Wentz or is making a feeble attempt to avert a QB controversy.

From Roob's article: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/why-was-doug-pederson-so-muted-his-praise-jalen-hurts

Doug on Wentz after the Browns game in 2016: "The poise was tremendous and that’s just who he is.”

Doug on Hurts Sunday: "He obviously was a part of the win, but my hat’s off to a lot of guys in this football game.”

Doug in 2016: "Those are things you see from more veteran type of quarterbacks.”

Doug Sunday: "I thought overall there were some good things and he kind of gave us the spark as a team that I was looking for and we were looking for as a team, but this win today was not about one guy. This win is about this team and how resilient this team is.”

11 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

 

But I’m not sure how you can be an Eagles fan and not be really excited about Hurts.

Exactly. I enjoyed last nights game. I skipped the last 2 weeks because i was getting so pissed off watching the games. I needed a mental break. I went into yesterday game with much less expectation and came out satisfied.

23 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

The game changes at warp speed and Hurts is better suited to the way it's going:  strong, fast and mobile, making plays with his feet and his arm.  Kyler Murray, who we'll see Sunday, is in that mold.  Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Taysom Hill.  All guys who reflect the position today. 

Big, rangy quarterbacks who stand in the pocket and try to throw strikes, like Roethlisberger and Wentz are dinosaurs. 

How many Super Bowl trophies do those dinosaurs like Brady and Rothelsberger have compared to the new age guys like Murray, Watson and Hill?

6 minutes ago, Perforator said:

How many Super Bowl trophies do those dinosaurs like Brady and Rothelsberger have compared to the new age guys like Murray, Watson and Hill?

Not really fair since they’ve been around much longer. 
 

Murray is in year two and Watson has been playing his career under a garbage head coach who couldn’t get along with his best wide receiver, and shipped him off for nothing. 
 

Also convenient how you left Mahomes and Wilson out, who are also dual threat QBs and have Super Bowls. 

43 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

Doug is either in love with Wentz or is making a feeble attempt to avert a QB controversy.

From Roob's article: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/why-was-doug-pederson-so-muted-his-praise-jalen-hurts

Doug on Wentz after the Browns game in 2016: "The poise was tremendous and that’s just who he is.”

Doug on Hurts Sunday: "He obviously was a part of the win, but my hat’s off to a lot of guys in this football game.”

Doug in 2016: "Those are things you see from more veteran type of quarterbacks.”

Doug Sunday: "I thought overall there were some good things and he kind of gave us the spark as a team that I was looking for and we were looking for as a team, but this win today was not about one guy. This win is about this team and how resilient this team is.”

I don't think Doug ever wanted Hurts.  He looked disappointed at the draft zoom interview and just said the company line about using him.  He barely used him all year despite Wentz struggling, defended Wentz all year and blamed O line and receivers and even his own coaching.  The report was Lurie insisted on playing Hurts.  

Just now, NOTW said:

I don't think Doug ever wanted Hurts.  He looked disappointed at the draft zoom interview and just said the company line about using him.  He barely used him all year despite Wentz struggling, defended Wentz all year and blamed O line and receivers and even his own coaching.  The report was Lurie insisted on playing Hurts.  

Doug looked giddy when they drafted him.  So I disagree.  You can’t fake that.

53 minutes ago, Hawkeye said:

The game changes at warp speed and Hurts is better suited to the way it's going:  strong, fast and mobile, making plays with his feet and his arm.  Kyler Murray, who we'll see Sunday, is in that mold.  Lamar Jackson, Deshaun Watson, Taysom Hill.  All guys who reflect the position today. 

Big, rangy quarterbacks who stand in the pocket and try to throw strikes, like Roethlisberger and Wentz are dinosaurs. 

What spin!

Accurate pocket passers are what the QB position is about.  You call them "rangy" and make it like they're big and slow and no good.  Ben has his team 11-1 right now.  Tom Brady is a statue and has all those championships.  We've been hearing this about more mobile running QBs for decades.  It's flashy and exciting to see guys run for 1st downs.  But EVERY QB in that style in the NFL eventually the defenses focus on it and take it away and force them to make throws. 

A dual threat QB is great.  Wentz is 5 years in, he's not a "dinosaur" and he is mobile and this year still made plays with his legs.  In fact it helped him when he was struggling to just get some positive yardage running.  Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, etc. you need to be able to stand back there and read a defense and deliver the ball, and if needed running to gain the yardage instead.

A QB that is a runners first, and passer second doesn't work.  Hurts will need to be able to stand back there and deliver passes as well as run around making plays.

57 minutes ago, Mortimer said:

Doug is either in love with Wentz or is making a feeble attempt to avert a QB controversy.

From Roob's article: https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/why-was-doug-pederson-so-muted-his-praise-jalen-hurts

Doug on Wentz after the Browns game in 2016: "The poise was tremendous and that’s just who he is.”

Doug on Hurts Sunday: "He obviously was a part of the win, but my hat’s off to a lot of guys in this football game.”

Doug in 2016: "Those are things you see from more veteran type of quarterbacks.”

Doug Sunday: "I thought overall there were some good things and he kind of gave us the spark as a team that I was looking for and we were looking for as a team, but this win today was not about one guy. This win is about this team and how resilient this team is.”

Thats piss poor protect Carson at all costs mentality. The dude is looking more and more like a pampered cry baby - doesn’t look like he is a winner. Vanishes in big games trying to play hero ball and now pouting on the sideline. Doug can say whatever he wants - it was out there to see - dude wasn’t even close to the huddle during timeouts on offense. 

Very impressed by Hurtz! Great first start, especially considering the circumstances.  Jalen's pocket and blitz awareness was phenomenal, which was a huge breath of fresh air.  

Bravo Jalen

8 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Doug looked giddy when they drafted him.  So I disagree.  You can’t fake that.

"Giddy?"    Check again.  Set to start at Doug's first comments about Hurts.  

 

People are in here still complaining about the draft pick?

6 minutes ago, NOTW said:

"Giddy?"    Check again.  Set to start at Doug's first comments about Hurts.  

 

Not the press conference.  The live look when they picked him.

2 hours ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I don’t think Wentz is at all salvageable under a structure that includes Howie and Doug. He needs to be moved, or both Doug and Howie need to be moved. 

That's kind of the way I see it too. Doug - Reich - Wentz worked, Doug  - Wentz doesn't seem to. Howie is a separate issue but he needs to vacate Nova Care as well.

5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

People are in here still complaining about the draft pick?

People are still complaining about Reno Mahe.   It will be some time before they come to terms with the 2020 draft.

I want to know, and maybe someone has inside info...Wentz's new contract...who's idea was it? Howie?Lurie? Doug? 

seems to me that if Hurts proves to be competent and more efficient...then whomever orchestrated Carson's contract will have a lot to answer for...I tend to think that it was NOT Howie, as if it were, logically, he would not have picked (or signed off on) Jalen Hurts....they could have easily picked another QB in a later round...since they would have deemed Wentz as secure by giving him a monster contract...

anyone have any thoughts?