December 14, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, flyerdog said: I want to know, and maybe someone has inside info...Wentz's new contract...who's idea was it? Howie?Lurie? Doug? seems to me that if Hurts proves to be competent and more efficient...then whomever orchestrated Carson's contract will have a lot to answer for...I tend to think that it was NOT Howie, as if it were, logically, he would not have picked (or signed off on) Jalen Hurts....they could have easily picked another QB in a later round...since they would have deemed Wentz as secure by giving him a monster contract... anyone have any thoughts? I’m guessing they lost confidence in Carson when he got himself hurt, yet again, in the playoff game. Hurts pick was a hedge.
December 14, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said: I’m guessing they lost confidence in Carson when he got himself hurt, yet again, in the playoff game. Hurts pick was a hedge. "got himself hurt again"? I doubt it was Carson's idea to be speared from behind. I thought that they were looking for a better backup than Josh McCown.
December 14, 20204 yr 2 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said: I’m guessing they lost confidence in Carson when he got himself hurt, yet again, in the playoff game. Hurts pick was a hedge. yeah...very possible...but the injury in the playoff game was not really Wentz's fault unlike the ACL tear ve the Rams where he should have not taken the risk....Clowney definitely went head hunting...so the contract was given prior to the season and the playoff game...I suspect that they wish that they had maybe waited until THIS season to extend his contract 😅
December 14, 20204 yr 1 minute ago, flyerdog said: yeah...very possible...but the injury in the playoff game was not really Wentz's fault unlike the ACL tear ve the Rams where he should have not taken the risk....Clowney definitely went head hunting...so the contract was given prior to the season and the playoff game...I suspect that they wish that they had maybe waited until THIS season to extend his contract 😅 It’s his fault for playing reckless and stupid and putting himself at risk. After 5 years we know that’s not gonna change.
December 14, 20204 yr 14 minutes ago, flyerdog said: yeah...very possible...but the injury in the playoff game was not really Wentz's fault unlike the ACL tear ve the Rams where he should have not taken the risk....Clowney definitely went head hunting...so the contract was given prior to the season and the playoff game...I suspect that they wish that they had maybe waited until THIS season to extend his contract 😅 The Eagles have a history of extending players early when they may be cheaper rather than waiting until the last minute. This time it bit them.
December 14, 20204 yr 10 hours ago, ilikepargo said: Only 57% completions for only 167 yards. And he ran the hall more times than Sanders. That's not a recipe for a long-term winning QB. His completion percentage was hurt by the fact that unlike Wentz, he was actually willing to throw the ball away when necessary. And I think the only reason he had more runs than Sanders was because of kneel downs.
December 14, 20204 yr 3 hours ago, Road to Victory said: So if Russell Wilson gets a concussion in the playoffs this year, should Seattle spend a 2nd rounder on a QB next year? Any QB can get hurt at any time. Maybe the thinking should’ve been "let’s spend a 2nd rounder on the OL so Wentz is better protected”. Or maybe they knew the concussion was more serious than let on, and they might need another QB? It’s very likely that concussion has affected Wentz’s play this season.
December 14, 20204 yr 25 minutes ago, vaff said: His completion percentage was hurt by the fact that unlike Wentz, he was actually willing to throw the ball away when necessary. And I think the only reason he had more runs than Sanders was because of kneel downs. yeah, good points, and to me this indicates "situational awareness" even Tayson Hill ran yesterday when he saw nothing but green grass in front of him...from the small sample size I saw, it looked like Jalen took off after he read through his progressions..or if protection broke down, or he saw a blitz... the thing is that Carson wasn't always so inept in the pocket, I seem to remember him having some elusiveness...in years past, which for whatever reason has disappeared this season... I don't know if Carson can be fixed...that is beyond my paygrade...but people have talked about fundamentals..and I've seen some videos that illustrate where Carson's fundamentals have been poor....the problem is if these have become ingrained, because when it comes to muscle memory..it's far easier to learn than unlearn muscle memory.
December 14, 20204 yr 1 hour ago, Arsenal79 said: Not the press conference. The live look when they picked him. I see. I looked it up, he had a smile. I don't know that I'd call that "giddy." They just finally got a win and Hurts played pretty well. In the post game PC, Doug looks like they lost. He went out of his way to not give Hurts too much credit, seemed unhappy and shifted focus to other players that played well.
December 14, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, Arsenal79 said: Doug looked giddy when they drafted him. this is true
December 14, 20204 yr 38 minutes ago, NOTW said: I see. I looked it up, he had a smile. I don't know that I'd call that "giddy." They just finally got a win and Hurts played pretty well. In the post game PC, Doug looks like they lost. He went out of his way to not give Hurts too much credit, seemed unhappy and shifted focus to other players that played well. Because he knows Wentz's mental state is a house of cards waiting to topple over any second now. He's trying to salvage that and save him as much embarrassment as possible and just get this guy to the offseason where they can really decide what they're going to do here.
December 14, 20204 yr Not that this shouldn't have been obvious, but Hurts named the starting QB for next weekend's game in AZ. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/14/jalen-hurts-will-start-in-week-15/
December 14, 20204 yr 2 hours ago, NOTW said: What spin! Accurate pocket passers are what the QB position is about. You call them "rangy" and make it like they're big and slow and no good. Ben has his team 11-1 right now. Tom Brady is a statue and has all those championships. We've been hearing this about more mobile running QBs for decades. It's flashy and exciting to see guys run for 1st downs. But EVERY QB in that style in the NFL eventually the defenses focus on it and take it away and force them to make throws. A dual threat QB is great. Wentz is 5 years in, he's not a "dinosaur" and he is mobile and this year still made plays with his legs. In fact it helped him when he was struggling to just get some positive yardage running. Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, etc. you need to be able to stand back there and read a defense and deliver the ball, and if needed running to gain the yardage instead. A QB that is a runners first, and passer second doesn't work. Hurts will need to be able to stand back there and deliver passes as well as run around making plays. He is not the same guy who looked like the MVP in 2017. He's just not. The knee, the back, the concussions. He is not the same physically. There's a reason that he's been sacked more than any QB in the league yet Hurts was clean the entire game yesterday behind the same OL. Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes are great examples of quarterbacks who make plays in motion. Wentz does not.
December 14, 20204 yr 48 minutes ago, Hawkeye said: He is not the same guy who looked like the MVP in 2017. He's just not. The knee, the back, the concussions. He is not the same physically. There's a reason that he's been sacked more than any QB in the league yet Hurts was clean the entire game yesterday behind the same OL. Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes are great examples of quarterbacks who make plays in motion. Wentz does not. given the injury history, one would think that he would have learned to be more cautious...get rid of the ball sooner, look for the safe play...etc...
December 14, 20204 yr Hurts has been named the starter against Arizona. https://www.philadelphiaeagles.com/news/doug-pederson-says-jalen-hurts-will-start-at-qb-vs-arizona
December 14, 20204 yr 29 minutes ago, flyerdog said: given the injury history, one would think that he would have learned to be more cautious...get rid of the ball sooner, look for the safe play...etc... He's obviously not intelligent enough to adjust his play. He's basically a white RG3.
December 14, 20204 yr Based on those comments you get the feeling Sanders is loving having Hurts at QB. Gives him more space to run and he doesn’t have to jump to catch screen/swing passes.
December 14, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, nipples said: Not really fair since they’ve been around much longer. Murray is in year two and Watson has been playing his career under a garbage head coach who couldn’t get along with his best wide receiver, and shipped him off for nothing. Also convenient how you left Mahomes and Wilson out, who are also dual threat QBs and have Super Bowls. I would consider Mahomes and Wilson more of a pocket passer that can run than a running quarterback that can throw
December 14, 20204 yr 50 minutes ago, nipples said: Based on those comments you get the feeling Sanders is loving having Hurts at QB. Gives him more space to run and he doesn’t have to jump to catch screen/swing passes. Good point. I've heard some many people ask where the screen game was before yesterday. They couldn't run those plays effectively with Wentz because he can't even throw a basic screen pass. I was ready to move on from Wentz after the Seahawks game when he couldn't accurately throw a 5 yard pass to Sanders in the flat.
December 14, 20204 yr 22 minutes ago, Perforator said: I would consider Mahomes and Wilson more of a pocket passer that can run than a running quarterback that can throw Ok, but Murray can throw too. Remains to be seen with Hurts but he shows good accuracy, we will have to wait a few more games to see how his overall passing game looks. I’m hoping Doug opens that part up a little bit more now that he’s going into his second start. I don’t care what anyone says about him in college. He improved as a passer when he left Bama and went to Oklahoma. And I it’s very possible that working with NFL coaches will see him improve even more in that regard. As far as Wilson, I definitely wouldn’t call him a "pocket passer”. Yes he can throw from the pocket, but what makes him most dangerous is his ability to navigate the pocket with his legs and to buy time when needed to deliver a throw. Same with Mahomes to an extent.
December 14, 20204 yr 5 hours ago, Arsenal79 said: I’m guessing they lost confidence in Carson when he got himself hurt, yet again, in the playoff game. Hurts pick was a hedge. Your wording will trigger the Wentz apologists, but Carson doesn’t get hurt if he just throws that ball away instead of trying to run over the Seahawks defensive back, playing hero ball, and trying to make something out of nothing there. It was a screen play the Seahawks sniffed out. Live to fight another day, just like Jalen Hurts did in this game, by knowing to slide and throw the ball away. Four straight seasons of injuries to go with three straight season of Carson finishing the season on the sidelines. Hurts wasn’t drafted to be Carson’s backup.
December 14, 20204 yr 38 minutes ago, nipples said: Ok, but Murray can throw too. Remains to be seen with Hurts but he shows good accuracy, we will have to wait a few more games to see how his overall passing game looks. I’m hoping Doug opens that part up a little bit more now that he’s going into his second start. I don’t care what anyone says about him in college. He improved as a passer when he left Bama and went to Oklahoma. And I it’s very possible that working with NFL coaches will see him improve even more in that regard. As far as Wilson, I definitely wouldn’t call him a "pocket passer”. Yes he can throw from the pocket, but what makes him most dangerous is his ability to navigate the pocket with his legs and to buy time when needed to deliver a throw. Same with Mahomes to an extent. Hurts at least against the Saints three a catchable ball. I didn’t see a lot of passes sailing on short to intermediate passes. I don’t think his deep ball is much to be desired though. He’s still working with the same substandard receivers Carson was working with, but at least he can use his legs to extend drives and buy some extra time if needed.
December 14, 20204 yr 43 minutes ago, Gannan said: Good point. I've heard some many people ask where the screen game was before yesterday. They couldn't run those plays effectively with Wentz because he can't even throw a basic screen pass. I was ready to move on from Wentz after the Seahawks game when he couldn't accurately throw a 5 yard pass to Sanders in the flat. He threw that pass like 15 feet over his head. It was an eye opener. The year earlier people were questioning why Carson didn’t throw to a wide open Smallwood in the flat. I dismissed that back then as no big deal, but on that play Carson forced the ball to another player (I forget who) when he had a clearly open player. The wide receiver screens never work, because they constantly have to jump to catch the ball before they can actually make a move. Hurts put that ball right on them yesterday and you noticed the difference in the play.
December 14, 20204 yr 9 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said: Your wording will trigger the Wentz apologists, but Carson doesn’t get hurt if he just throws that ball away instead of trying to run over the Seahawks defensive back, Not sure what play you watched, he slides to the side of the DB to go down, and then Clowney intentionally spears him, and he was close enough to see Wentz was already going down after contact from the defense.
December 14, 20204 yr 53 minutes ago, Gannan said: Good point. I've heard some many people ask where the screen game was before yesterday. They couldn't run those plays effectively with Wentz because he can't even throw a basic screen pass. I was ready to move on from Wentz after the Seahawks game when he couldn't accurately throw a 5 yard pass to Sanders in the flat. This, and he repeatedly failed to execute the play as designed. Miles would get to his spot and Carson would just stare and hesitate. Good throw or not, he’d allow the defense to close quickly and I’d be surprised Miles wasn’t blasted into next week. I shouldn’t have been so impressed by Hurts dumping it off so quickly, but we’ve been missing that element since Foles.
