12 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

"Dual threat" is a term that you never heard in the past in the NFL.  You had "pocket" and "mobile."  Has Hurts moved the college terminology to the NFL with his unique run first quarterbacking?

This is wrong. Google "dual threat qb nfl" and you will find plenty of examples of the term being used before Hurts entered the league. 

13 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

"Dual threat" is a term that you never heard in the past in the NFL.  You had "pocket" and "mobile."  Has Hurts moved the college terminology to the NFL with his unique run first quarterbacking?

Are you watching games with the sound off? It's a pretty old term.

article from 2011

 

On 8/20/2022 at 2:15 PM, The Blackfish said:

 I’ve posted this once already, please stop saying Hurts is closer to Allen than yada yada yada, he isn’t, it’s embarrassing enough FFS.  
 

Hurts can’t even dream about that throw, no one in the NFL can, except for maybe Mahomes…., maybe. 

Nice pocket pirouette though, that part looked like Hurts.

On 8/20/2022 at 3:18 PM, downundermike said:

A 1st year rookie who was not intended to be the starter.

A 2nd year rookie who took every offseason snap as the unquestioned starter.

Yeah, sounds the same to me.

Except for when he was rested during PS because he could gain nothing from those reps.

On 8/20/2022 at 4:23 PM, brkmsn said:

You are still living in 2021. Hurts and his teammates have moved on and continue to work on their game. Many players, coaches, and media sources are noticing improvement in Hurts compared to last season. 

None of that matters until the real games start, and we haven't seen much from Hurts with our own eyes yet.  So, what we have to judge by is 2021.  He had a long way to go at the end of last year.  We'll find out soon how far he's actually come, and hopefully we''ll actually see improvement in the passing game from game 1 to game 17 this year, unlike last year.

On 8/23/2022 at 9:35 AM, MF POON said:

I never said you or anyone was racist, you're the one labelling yourself that.  I stated that race is relevant to the discussion because there's an obvious bias when it comes to running QB's within the league. 

🤔. What do you mean... 'running QBs'?

The bias against running QBs, is that the NFL is a passing league.  The NFL protects the QB in the pocket.   BUT... when the QB breaks the pocket and is a runner, the protections rapidly evaporate.  We've all seen the hits taken by QBs who were running, many of which would be illegal in the pocket, but weren't flagged for it when the QB is outside the pocket.  And the defenders have to treat the running QB differently outside the pocket than inside the pocket.  Many times now, running Qbs will approach the sidelines and when they see the defender let up as they assume they will go out of bounds, put their foot in the ground and turn up field stealing more yards.   And we saw in college Kenny Pickett faked a slide, the defenders let up, and he scampered for a TD because of it.  So, a lot of defenders would rather take their chances on getting flagged for a late hit than letting the QB go by scot-free.  AND... either way, it's a free shot at the QB, which once again, a few defenders salivate for any time they can get it.  And, I don't think the defenders making their choices or hitting the QBs are thinking about race when they do it.

On 8/23/2022 at 9:53 AM, Shalodeep said:

Won't find a bigger fan than I sir. Super5 will always be a favorite of mine. If he had maclin, Jackson, and celek his whole career, he would of had a ring or two

If he had Chad Lewis in the Super Bowl, I think the Eagles win that game.  

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If he had Chad Lewis in the Super Bowl, I think the Eagles win that game.  

I agree. Completely robbed the offense of a staple. It's not even that Chad Lewis was amazing, but he just got open and always sat down and gave the out on a play 

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Still can't believe my thread from yesterday was deleted. Just for asking questions, in 2022, about sexuality. Didn't think the board was so prudish. 

They should have moved it to Rant and Rave section. 

2 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

They should have moved it to Rant and Rave section. 

It was neither a rant nor a rave. Just a question. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It was neither a rant nor a rave. Just a question. 

Probably one of the moderators removed it because they have a man crush on Hurts.

Or, it was reported by the legion of Hurts fan boys on this site.

Someone’s feelings were hurt.

3 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

Probably one of the moderators removed it because they have a man crush on Hurts.

Or, it was reported by the legion of Hurts fan boys on this site.

Someone’s feelings were hurt.

Sad

On 8/23/2022 at 3:20 PM, nipples said:

 What? Fans were absolutely all in on McNabb by year 3. He led the team to a playoff win in his first year as the starter after an 11-5 season. 

None of the fanbase was really out on McNabb until they choked in the NFCCG a couple times. And even then I’d say the majority still believed in him until the ‘05 season. 

I remember that time really well, cause me and family would go out to spurt clubs to watch the game. To say fans were "absolutely" on board by year is a little bit of an exaggeration.  The comments I recall were not supportive at all.  In regards to the  conference games, all weren't the same. McNabb wasn't perfect, but neither was Reid, or our D at times, I can recall how Carolina DB's manhandled our WR's which forced us to get TO the next year.  The FIRST year we gave this guy a true #1 WR, he took us to the SB, and would have won if it weren't for the cheating Pats.

6 minutes ago, EagleRob said:

I remember that time really well, cause me and family would go out to spurt clubs to watch the game. To say fans were "absolutely" on board by year is a little bit of an exaggeration.  The comments I recall were not supportive at all.  In regards to the  conference games, all weren't the same. McNabb wasn't perfect, but neither was Reid, or our D at times, I can recall how Carolina DB's manhandled our WR's which forced us to get TO the next year.  The FIRST year we gave this guy a true #1 WR, he took us to the SB, and would have won if it weren't for the cheating Pats.

Well look at this guy, gotta be a clone of whoever made that initial wrong history of events. 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

This is wrong. Google "dual threat qb nfl" and you will find plenty of examples of the term being used before Hurts entered the league. 

Hurts is not a dual threat QB, he is a run first QB, his arm is no threat.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well look at this guy, gotta be a clone of whoever made that initial wrong history of events. 

30 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Hurts is not a dual threat QB, he is a run first QB, his arm is no threat.

Okay, now that I'm done thanking you, I have to disagree with your statement here.  

He's not a run-first QB, so I'm going to take your comment as more tongue and cheek. 

Does he run faster than we'd like him? Yes. But he also extends plays and still gets off a pass, when we expect him to run.  We also have to acknowledge that what we see from our sofa, isn't the same at what he sees on the field.  Look at it this way, there are folks on this board who don't believe in Hurts. This year is make or break for him. So for the folks who don't believe, this may be his last year, because there are no more excuses. He has great weapons at WR, a great TE, a really good RB, and a great Oline. If he can't get it done with this, its not going to happen, although I'd like to add that most QB's aren't at their prime in the first few seasons.  Me, as a fan, who thinks he's still improving and can be our future.  But I also acknowledge a playoff seed isn't enough. I need a win to show progress. If we win a game, that means he's got to be doing something right. If he doesn't succeed this year, I'm help you pack his bags.

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

I agree. Completely robbed the offense of a staple. It's not even that Chad Lewis was amazing, but he just got open and always sat down and gave the out on a play 

And... he wasn't LJ Smith.  

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And... he wasn't LJ Smith.  

F LJ Smith

46 minutes ago, EagleRob said:

If he can't get it done with this, its not going to happen, although I'd like to add that most QB's aren't at their prime in the first few seasons. 

I have used Ryan Tannehill as a comp, as he played with AJ Brown.

AJ Browns best season was 2020.  Tannehill had 3819 yards and 33 TD's.

But I already know you will say that Tannehill was in his 8th season, so

Tannehill's 2nd year as a starter, 3913 yards and 24 TD's.

3 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Still can't believe my thread from yesterday was deleted. Just for asking questions, in 2022, about sexuality. Didn't think the board was so prudish. 

I'm assuming because his sexuality preference and what he does behind closed doors has nothing to do with football. 

46 minutes ago, Heavywchamp said:

I'm assuming because his sexuality preference and what he does behind closed doors has nothing to do with football. 

You shouldn't assume anything

2 hours ago, EagleRob said:

Okay, now that I'm done thanking you, I have to disagree with your statement here.  

He's not a run-first QB, so I'm going to take your comment as more tongue and cheek. 

Does he run faster than we'd like him? Yes. But he also extends plays and still gets off a pass, when we expect him to run.  We also have to acknowledge that what we see from our sofa, isn't the same at what he sees on the field.  Look at it this way, there are folks on this board who don't believe in Hurts. This year is make or break for him. So for the folks who don't believe, this may be his last year, because there are no more excuses. He has great weapons at WR, a great TE, a really good RB, and a great Oline. If he can't get it done with this, its not going to happen, although I'd like to add that most QB's aren't at their prime in the first few seasons.  Me, as a fan, who thinks he's still improving and can be our future.  But I also acknowledge a playoff seed isn't enough. I need a win to show progress. If we win a game, that means he's got to be doing something right. If he doesn't succeed this year, I'm help you pack his bags.

This will be his last year if he doesn't leap this season. We know the FO was in on Russell Wilson before Denver blew their entire draft capital for the next two years on him. They also just paid a boat load of money to AJ Brown to catch touchdowns and have 1000 yards of receiving, not block corners. The team has been built for Jalen not to just succeed, but to flourish so let's see how he does with the chips all on the table. 

I also agree 1000% with we need a win. The division for the most part is bad, so we need to be just an "okay" football team to make the playoffs. But if we have another stinker like we did in Tampa where the offense looked like they didn't deserve to be on the same field as the Bucs then Hurts is done with the Eagles.

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

I have used Ryan Tannehill as a comp, as he played with AJ Brown.

AJ Browns best season was 2020.  Tannehill had 3819 yards and 33 TD's.

But I already know you will say that Tannehill was in his 8th season, so

Tannehill's 2nd year as a starter, 3913 yards and 24 TD's.

And what else???

17 ints, his highest amount in his entire year. They were also 8-8.  If Hurts puts up those numbers, I think you'll agree that Hurts is done hear. And yes, it does kinda prove my point that it took Tannerhill YEARS to reach his apex.  That's usually the norm, unless the stars line up for you.  So ultimately,  we may pull the plug on Hurts way before he, or any other QB for this matter reaches their prime.

6 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Still can't believe my thread from yesterday was deleted. Just for asking questions, in 2022, about sexuality. Didn't think the board was so prudish. 

I didn't agree with your reasoning behind the thread, and I think I was pretty clear why. That being said, I didn't report you.  I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble here.