3 hours ago, downundermike said:

Tannehill's 2nd year as a starter, 3913 yards and 24 TD's.

In his second year, Tannehill averaged 258 total yards per game, had 25 total TDs and 17 interceptions.

Hurts in his second year averaged 262 yards per game, had 26 TDs in one game less and had only 9 interceptions.

So I am kind of confused why you think using Tannehill as your hill to die on is a winning strategy.

Just now, jsb235 said:

In his second year, Tannehill averaged 258 total yards per game, had 25 total TDs and 17 interceptions.

Hurts in his second year averaged 262 yards per game, had 26 TDs in one game less and had only 9 interceptions.

So I am kind of confused why you think using Tannehill as your hill to die on is a winning strategy for you.

I want a QB to get those yards and TD's doing QB things, like passing the ball.

3 hours ago, downundermike said:

I want a QB to get those yards and TD's doing QB things, like passing the ball.

Like leading the offense. There's more than one way to QB. You just want it to be your way. 

Just now, brkmsn said:

Like leading the offense. There's more than one way to QB. You just want it to be your way. 

No, there is really only one way to QB and be successful over a long period of time.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

No, there is really only one way to QB and be successful over a long period of time.

Define "a long period of time" and "successful" please.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Like leading the offense. There's more than one way to QB. You just want it to be your way. 

Leading the offense? That's why Siri took the ball out of his hands and started running the ball which is when we started winning

13 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Still can't believe my thread from yesterday was deleted. Just for asking questions, in 2022, about sexuality. Didn't think the board was so prudish. 

If it wasn't for RTK's homophbic remarks, that thread would still be up

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Like leading the offense. There's more than one way to QB. You just want it to be your way. 

 

8 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

 

Yeah but Josh Allen

I call BS. The only thing a QB can't do is get taller. They can build arm strength (max it out a bit anyway) They can get faster with training. They can work on footwork and mechanics.

They can be taught how to anticipate timing routes to plan for better accuracy. They can master a system so they know where everyone should be. They can build rapport with their targets so they make the same site read. Much of that can improve their accuracy.

Drew Brees was a 61% passer at Perdue.

He was a 59.4% passer after 3 years in SD.

He was a 72.1% passer for his last 5 seasons in New Orleans.

He's #1 all-time for completion %

 

No one knows how much a guy like Jalen who ran all over the place was just throwing to big windows with elite overmatching talent at 'Bama and Oklahoma.

Saban and Riley's jobs were to win college games, not give their QBs a Masters degree in passing accuracy.

See also: Rich Gannon, Josh Allen, Jim Plunkett, Randall, Bradshaw, and hundreds of others.

I could see the point with McNabb who hit 58% in year 2 and averaged around 58 for 5 of the next 6 years  (TO 2004 exception)

Hurts is no McNabb. No one will ever be another McNabb. The 59% completion WCO fool is a unicorn.

Pepperidge Farms remembers and so do all those burnt worms.

2 hours ago, Godfather said:

Leading the offense? That's why Siri took the ball out of his hands and started running the ball which is when we started winning

Took the ball out of his hands? Hurts accounted for 85% of the offense.  lol @ "took the ball out of his hands."

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

 

lol. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy. But just how inaccurate was Hurts last year? Truthfully, he wasn't near as bad as people are making him out to be. He ranked 8th in the NFL in on target throw percentage and had the 3rd lowest bad throw percentage. He was 4th in the NFL in YAC per completion which shows he places the ball in favorable spots for his receivers. There's also a myth that he only completed short passes, but he was 4th in the NFL in intended air yards per pass. Despite throwing farther on average than all but 3 other QBs last year, he improved his completion percentage by nearly 10% throwing to a group of WRs consisting of a rookie (Smith), two 2nd year players (Watkins and Reagor) a former 2nd round bust (JJAW), and 3rd year phenom, Greg Ward. The entire offense was learning a new system last year that adjusted philosophy 7 weeks into the season. 

I'm sure you'll continue to paint Hurts as inaccurate when in reality that simply wasn't the case. 

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

lol. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy. But just how inaccurate was Hurts last year? Truthfully, he wasn't near as bad as people are making him out to be. He ranked 8th in the NFL in on target throw percentage and had the 3rd lowest bad throw percentage. He was 4th in the NFL in YAC per completion which shows he places the ball in favorable spots for his receivers. There's also a myth that he only completed short passes, but he was 4th in the NFL in intended air yards per pass. Despite throwing farther on average than all but 3 other QBs last year, he improved his completion percentage by nearly 10% throwing to a group of WRs consisting of a rookie (Smith), two 2nd year players (Watkins and Reagor) a former 2nd round bust (JJAW), and 3rd year phenom, Greg Ward. The entire offense was learning a new system last year that adjusted philosophy 7 weeks into the season. 

I'm sure you'll continue to paint Hurts as inaccurate when in reality that simply wasn't the case. 

Just now, downundermike said:

We already know the reason for his deep ball woes and that was hesitation leading to getting the pass out too late. Most of those deep incompletions should have been thrown sooner. That was a young QB learning a lesson through experience. 

 

4 hours ago, brkmsn said:

We already know the reason for his deep ball woes and that was hesitation leading to getting the pass out too late. Most of those deep incompletions should have been thrown sooner. That was a young QB learning a lesson through experience. 

Some drops made this ‘deep ball’ stat look worse than it should’ve been.

We’ll see if he drives this offense down the field to get touchdowns. If he does we’ll be fine and last seasons stats become irrelevant.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/with-a-trio-of-in-ts-drew-lock-might-have-made-seahawks-qb-decision-for-them-031011554.html

Maybe the Eagles can go trade for Drew Lock for the idiot "anyone but Hurts” crowd. After all it’s good football if the quarterback is throwing interceptions instead of running for first downs right!?! 😂🤣😂

6 hours ago, SkippyX said:

I call BS. The only thing a QB can't do is get taller. They can build arm strength (max it out a bit anyway) They can get faster with training. They can work on footwork and mechanics.

They can be taught how to anticipate timing routes to plan for better accuracy. They can master a system so they know where everyone should be. They can build rapport with their targets so they make the same site read. Much of that can improve their accuracy.

Drew Brees was a 61% passer at Perdue.

He was a 59.4% passer after 3 years in SD.

He was a 72.1% passer for his last 5 seasons in New Orleans.

He's #1 all-time for completion %

 

No one knows how much a guy like Jalen who ran all over the place was just throwing to big windows with elite overmatching talent at 'Bama and Oklahoma.

Saban and Riley's jobs were to win college games, not give their QBs a Masters degree in passing accuracy.

 Not to derail with pedantry, but the massage theRapist client is actually #1 all time in completion %

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

lol. Many QBs throughout history have improved their accuracy. But just how inaccurate was Hurts last year? Truthfully, he wasn't near as bad as people are making him out to be. He ranked 8th in the NFL in on target throw percentage and had the 3rd lowest bad throw percentage. He was 4th in the NFL in YAC per completion which shows he places the ball in favorable spots for his receivers. There's also a myth that he only completed short passes, but he was 4th in the NFL in intended air yards per pass. Despite throwing farther on average than all but 3 other QBs last year, he improved his completion percentage by nearly 10% throwing to a group of WRs consisting of a rookie (Smith), two 2nd year players (Watkins and Reagor) a former 2nd round bust (JJAW), and 3rd year phenom, Greg Ward. The entire offense was learning a new system last year that adjusted philosophy 7 weeks into the season. 

I'm sure you'll continue to paint Hurts as inaccurate when in reality that simply wasn't the case. 

What was his completion percentage ranked? You cherry picked and you know it. That passing group had a Heisman winner,  two top ten tight ends, and an offensive line the rest of the league would kill for to have protecting their qb. A good qb would of put up much better passing numbers. It's nice you are able to find a few favorable stats , but reality is all base stats je is in the 20s. Hightower one year was one of the top ranked in long receptions in the league ... By your defense it means we should give him a chance to develop? Or can we admit that cherry picked stat doesn't fit the product on the field?

 

If Hurts will be great someday, the question is if he'll still be with the Eagles. If he is, how much talent will there be around him? This season, he'll only succeed if stays in the pocket. Once he starts running with the ball, we can kiss the game plan goodbye. 

15 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Like leading the offense. There's more than one way to QB. You just want it to be your way. 

The style of Mahomes/Rodgers versus Manning/Brady represents more than one way to qb.

Being a run first qb like early Vick, Tebow, Hurts, etc is NOT a way to QB.  That’s a way to RB.

3 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

What was his completion percentage ranked? You cherry picked and you know it. That passing group had a Heisman winner,  two top ten tight ends, and an offensive line the rest of the league would kill for to have protecting their qb. A good qb would of put up much better passing numbers. It's nice you are able to find a few favorable stats , but reality is all base stats je is in the 20s. Hightower one year was one of the top ranked in long receptions in the league ... By your defense it means we should give him a chance to develop? Or can we admit that cherry picked stat doesn't fit the product on the field?

 

I don't care what his completion percentage was "ranked" since that's a stat that is readily available. Everybody knows what 61.3% completion percentage means. If you take the time to compare the newer advanced stats to other QBs with better completion percentages, you begin to find reasons for the difference. With some of those stats, I post rankings because if I told you he averaged 9.0 air yards per attempt, you probably wouldn't know how that compares to others, so the rank (4th) is important. But since he chose to throw further on average than most QBs, it stands to reason that his completion percentage would be effected. He wasn't exactly Check-down Charlie. Other factors affecting his percentage were the 30 drops by receivers last year and decisions to throw the ball away. That's why advanced metrics like bad pass percentage and on target throw percentage are relevant when discussing accuracy. You just don't like it because it undermines your narrative. 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/with-a-trio-of-in-ts-drew-lock-might-have-made-seahawks-qb-decision-for-them-031011554.html

Maybe the Eagles can go trade for Drew Lock for the idiot "anyone but Hurts” crowd. After all it’s good football if the quarterback is throwing interceptions instead of running for first downs right!?! 😂🤣😂

All that running did us good in Tampa. 39 yards.19.9 QBR.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

The style of Mahomes/Rodgers versus Manning/Brady represents more than one way to qb.

Being a run first qb like early Vick, Tebow, Hurts, etc is NOT a way to QB.  That’s a way to RB.

Not completely true. A QB such as Vick, Cunningham, McNabb, Wilson, Newton, K. Stewart, L. Jackson, etc... can present problems to many defenses because of their ability to run and pass. I know the "But Hurts" crowd likes to flippantly call Hurts a RB playing QB, but they undervalue his arm as a passer. There are different styles, but to remove a running QB from the list of "styles" a QB can be, is ignorant. Our offense evolved into a run-first offense last season and the analytics proved that to be our best move. That doesn't make Hurts a "run-first QB." He still threw 432 passes compared to 139 rushing attempts.

Last year's offense was designed to maximize our team's strengths and minimize our weaknesses. It helped keep our offense in favorable situations and also helped our defense which was a liability last season. It helped us change the trajectory of our season and get into the postseason. I don't for a minute believe that we will employ the exact same offense year after year. We will build off last year's offense and add things that make our team harder to defend. Everything was new last year. Now there is familiarity and a comfort level that can help a young offense like ours grow going forward.