23 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

I don't care what his completion percentage was "ranked" since that's a stat that is readily available. Everybody knows what 61.3% completion percentage means. If you take the time to compare the newer advanced stats to other QBs with better completion percentages, you begin to find reasons for the difference. With some of those stats, I post rankings because if I told you he averaged 9.0 air yards per attempt, you probably wouldn't know how that compares to others, so the rank (4th) is important. But since he chose to throw further on average than most QBs, it stands to reason that his completion percentage would be effected. He wasn't exactly Check-down Charlie. Other factors affecting his percentage were the 30 drops by receivers last year and decisions to throw the ball away. That's why advanced metrics like bad pass percentage and on target throw percentage are relevant when discussing accuracy. You just don't like it because it undermines your narrative. 

My narrative is what showed up on the film. The stats that everybody uses says he is in the 20s as a passer. When he played anything other than bums, he was below average. Every team has drops. Every QB ranked above him had drops so that's all fair game. His last five regular season games he threw 3tds and 4ints with only two games passing over 200 yards and three games under 60% completion percentage. We may have won some games, but he wasn't the driving force you guys pretend he was. He actually sucked towards the end of the year

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

The style of Mahomes/Rodgers versus Manning/Brady represents more than one way to qb.

Being a run first qb like early Vick, Tebow, Hurts, etc is NOT a way to QB.  That’s a way to RB.

There has never been a regular starter run first QB in the history of the NFL.

Bobby Douglass in 1972 was a 230 pass+sack vs 140 run QB. No one else was close to that ratio. Tebow was 304 to 122.

The 2021 Eagles had about 1 1/2 more runs than drop backs per game last year. That includes all the RBs, not just Hurts.

 

Steve Young ran for 4237 yards and 43 TDs and won a SB. He ran for 128 and 2 TDs in the 1994 SB playoffs.

Russell Wilson ran for a combined 1388 yards in 2013-2104 seasons which ended in a SB win and a Pete Carroll away from another one.

Its a stupid argument that some people are too oblivious to realize they lost 8 years ago.

20 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

My narrative is what showed up on the film. The stats that everybody uses says he is in the 20s as a passer. When he played anything other than bums, he was below average. Every team has drops. Every QB ranked above him had drops so that's all fair game. His last five regular season games he threw 3tds and 4ints with only two games passing over 200 yards and three games under 60% completion percentage. We may have won some games, but he wasn't the driving force you guys pretend he was. He actually sucked towards the end of the year

That lines up to when he had the ankle injury and his running was greatly limited.

44 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

With some of those stats, I post rankings because if I told you he averaged 9.0 air yards per attempt, you probably wouldn't know how that compares to others, so the rank (4th) is important.

That is a stupid stat.  "Average depth of target, whether completed or not"  Hurts 9.0 ranks 4th, Fields 9.8 ranks second.  All this stat is telling you, is that the QB is throwing the ball far, which does absolutely nothing if the pass is not completed. Lets look at some of those other stats.

Intended air yards - average depth of target whether completed or not - Hurts 3867 ( 18th )

Completed air yards - total yards completed passes traveled in the air past the line of scrimmage before being caught - Hurts 1681 ( 21st )

 

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

What is this supposed to illustrate?

7 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

One of the best in the world using his last resort. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What is this supposed to illustrate?

That QB's who can throw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's can also do the things people pump Hurts up for if the really need to.

Just now, downundermike said:

That QB's who can throw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's can also do the things people pump Hurts up for if the really need to.

I saw him make 3 defenders miss before he made up his mind to run. Before that his eyes seemed to be down field still looking for a target.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I saw him make 3 defenders miss before he made up his mind to run. Before that his eyes seemed to be down field still looking for a target.

It was also in the AFC championship game, that the Chiefs won before winning the Superbowl.

It is also 27 yards, longer than Jalen Hurts career long TD run.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It was also in the AFC championship game, that the Chiefs won before winning the Superbowl.

It is also 27 yards, longer than Jalen Hurts career long TD run.

You mean he showed up in the playoffs?! Must be nice!

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Not completely true. A QB such as Vick, Cunningham, McNabb, Wilson, Newton, K. Stewart, L. Jackson, etc... can present problems to many defenses because of their ability to run and pass. I know the "But Hurts" crowd likes to flippantly call Hurts a RB playing QB, but they undervalue his arm as a passer. There are different styles, but to remove a running QB from the list of "styles" a QB can be, is ignorant. Our offense evolved into a run-first offense last season and the analytics proved that to be our best move. That doesn't make Hurts a "run-first QB." He still threw 432 passes compared to 139 rushing attempts.

Last year's offense was designed to maximize our team's strengths and minimize our weaknesses. It helped keep our offense in favorable situations and also helped our defense which was a liability last season. It helped us change the trajectory of our season and get into the postseason. I don't for a minute believe that we will employ the exact same offense year after year. We will build off last year's offense and add things that make our team harder to defend. Everything was new last year. Now there is familiarity and a comfort level that can help a young offense like ours grow going forward. 

Has Hurts ever completed a pass on the run, other than for a loss of down?

15 minutes ago, ThinkGreen said:

Has Hurts ever completed a pass on the run, other than for a loss of down?

First one, third one, sixth one, seventh one, tenth one

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

There has never been a regular starter run first QB in the history of the NFL.

Bobby Douglass in 1972 was a 230 pass+sack vs 140 run QB. No one else was close to that ratio. Tebow was 304 to 122.

The 2021 Eagles had about 1 1/2 more runs than drop backs per game last year. That includes all the RBs, not just Hurts.

 

Steve Young ran for 4237 yards and 43 TDs and won a SB. He ran for 128 and 2 TDs in the 1994 SB playoffs.

Russell Wilson ran for a combined 1388 yards in 2013-2104 seasons which ended in a SB win and a Pete Carroll away from another one.

Its a stupid argument that some people are too oblivious to realize they lost 8 years ago.

And let’s look into the passing stats of Steve Young and Russell Wilson…

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

That is a stupid stat.  "Average depth of target, whether completed or not"  Hurts 9.0 ranks 4th, Fields 9.8 ranks second.  All this stat is telling you, is that the QB is throwing the ball far, which does absolutely nothing if the pass is not completed. Lets look at some of those other stats.

Intended air yards - average depth of target whether completed or not - Hurts 3867 ( 18th )

Completed air yards - total yards completed passes traveled in the air past the line of scrimmage before being caught - Hurts 1681 ( 21st )

 

Now take those "totals" divide them by the completions / attempts and you have a better way to rank a player that threw 200 less passes than someone else. I love how you guys harp on totals as if that is all important. 

Would you rather have a RB that leads the NFL in yards  and rushes with 1700 yards on 450 carries or a RBBC that has 3 RBs that combined for 1700 yards on 330 carries?

4 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Now take those "totals" divide them by the completions / attempts and you have a better way to rank a player that threw 200 less passes than someone else. I love how you guys harp on totals as if that is all important. 

Would you rather have a RB that leads the NFL in yards  and rushes with 1700 yards on 450 carries or a RBBC that has 3 RBs that combined for 1700 yards on 330 carries?

Oh, so now that you don't like that stat, you want to move the goal posts again.

55 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

And let’s look into the passing stats of Steve Young and Russell Wilson…

Steve Young himself flat out said you can't win in the NFL as a QB being a runner. He said you have to be able to step up in the pocket and make the throws on time and accurately, that's the QBs number 1 job. So I'll take it from him and not the people on here saying Steve won as a running QB because he won't even say it. 

11 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Steve Young himself flat out said you can't win in the NFL as a QB being a runner. He said you have to be able to step up in the pocket and make the throws on time and accurately, that's the QBs number 1 job. So I'll take it from him and not the people on here saying Steve won as a running QB because he won't even say it. 

Who cares what Steve Young thinks.

You gonna listen to a guy who led the NFL in most passing stats the year he won a Super Bowl.

27 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Who cares what Steve Young thinks.

You gonna listen to a guy who led the NFL in most passing stats the year he won a Super Bowl.

Nope! He's a bum what does he know!

I have never seen a more hated Eagle  but for no reason, truly hilarious. Hurts derangement syndrome. 

2 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Steve Young himself flat out said you can't win in the NFL as a QB being a runner. He said you have to be able to step up in the pocket and make the throws on time and accurately, that's the QBs number 1 job.

Those are my criticisms of Hurts, he doesn't step up in the pocket when it's there and his accuracy, both of which are correctable,  that run right for no reason has to go and if he does it this year I'd be drafting a QB.-----ROUND 1!!

31 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I have never seen a more hated Eagle  but for no reason, truly hilarious. Hurts derangement syndrome. 

Nobody hates him. People don't like the product on the field. Him as a person I don't think I've read too much other than he seems to avoid responsibility when his habits are discussed aka I'm just running the plays that are called when asked about running right so often or the scoff when asked about changing his mechanics. 

38 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I have never seen a more hated Eagle  but for no reason, truly hilarious. Hurts derangement syndrome. 

No one hates Hurts, it's nothing personal. He's just not a good quarterback.

3 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Now take those "totals" divide them by the completions / attempts and you have a better way to rank a player that threw 200 less passes than someone else. I love how you guys harp on totals as if that is all important. 

Would you rather have a RB that leads the NFL in yards  and rushes with 1700 yards on 450 carries or a RBBC that has 3 RBs that combined for 1700 yards on 330 carries?

Hurts’ total passes were low because the coach figured out he was a lousy passer and needed him to pass less.  That is plainly obvious.  No one wants a qbbc.  Totals matter.

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts’ total passes were low because the coach figured out he was a lousy passer and needed him to pass less.  That is plainly obvious.  No one wants a qbbc.  Totals matter.

Offensive totals matter. Wins matter. Stat padding only matters to fantasy football.