2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And Dak played well right out of the gate, was offensive rookie of the year and got MVP votes. 

He did not need two rookie years and then year 3 the light went on.

You mean to tell me you don't have to wait to year three to judge a player???

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

Well that's why I wouldn't want Russ. We wouldn't be able to field a "perfect" team around him, so we'd likely never win a SB with him. Even if you have a perfect team, you can still fall flat on your face like Aaron Rodgers. There's no reason why GB shouldn't have won at least 1 SB in the last 3 seasons

Winning a Superbowl is hard AF. Winning it the last 20 years has even been harder with the goat occupying the top of the mountain. Rodgers should have at least three rings with his talent, but again it's that damn hard to win. Why not have the best player at the most difficult position in sports instead of hiding that position because it's cheaper to do so 

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Well that's why I wouldn't want Russ. We wouldn't be able to field a "perfect" team around him, so we'd likely never win a SB with him. Even if you have a perfect team, you can still fall flat on your face like Aaron Rodgers. There's no reason why GB shouldn't have won at least 1 SB in the last 3 seasons

But you want Hurts, who is not as good, so the team has less margin for error 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And Dak played well right out of the gate, was offensive rookie of the year and got MVP votes. 

He did not need two rookie years and then year 3 the light went on.

I mean, Allen needed 2 seasons before his light went on, so why can't we allow other players to develop before that happens?? 

4 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I didn't say it's a lot to judge him on, I'm simply saying making fun of Dak after Hurts pulled that stunt isn't wise.

what stunt? And I simply don't want Dak, because If he can't win in Dallas with the talent around him, then I don't expect him to do it here. Every season they're projected to go to the SB and they never even come close.

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Winning a Superbowl is hard AF. Winning it the last 20 years has even been harder with the goat occupying the top of the mountain. Rodgers should have at least three rings with his talent, but again it's that damn hard to win. Why not have the best player at the most difficult position in sports instead of hiding that position because it's cheaper to do so 

Now apply this logic when reading my responses and you'll understand where I'm coming from.  I'm not going to break the bank on a 33 year old QB that will eventually have little to work with, thus resulting in no SB wins, when I can have an up-and-coming young player in Hurts that may pan out and have 2 stud WR's, with a solid team around him.

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

But you want Hurts, who is not as good, so the team has less margin for error 

I want to see how much he improves in year 3, because it could very well mean we don't need to look elsewhere. If he fails, then we can look for his replacement.

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

Now apply this logic when reading my responses and you'll understand where I'm coming from.  I'm not going to break the bank on a 33 year old QB that will eventually have little to work with, thus resulting in no SB wins, when I can have an up-and-coming young player in Hurts that may pan out and have 2 stud WR's, with a solid team around him.

You miss my point in that having a QB who can't do it for cheap doesn't give you a chance for a SB 

13 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I mean, Allen needed 2 seasons before his light went on, so why can't we allow other players to develop before that happens?? 

what stunt? And I simply don't want Dak, because If he can't win in Dallas with the talent around him, then I don't expect him to do it here. Every season they're projected to go to the SB and they never even come close.

Name daks coaches that excite you? I'll wait 

8 minutes ago, MF POON said:

I want to see how much he improves in year 3, because it could very well mean we don't need to look elsewhere. If he fails, then we can look for his replacement.

All you need to say versus the awful arguments you keep trying to make

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

Name daks coaches that excite you? I'll wait 

All you need to say versus the awful arguments you keep trying to make

Name Hurts coaches that excite you. I'll wait.

That's what all of us supporters have been saying the entire time against you negadelphians. 

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

You miss my point in that having a QB who can't do it for cheap doesn't give you a chance for a SB 

Watson wouldn't be cheap, neither would Jackson or Murray. The difference is those guys are younger than Wilson, and I'd gamble on the long game because it might be worth it. Russ will be 34 this season in November, and I just don't think the upside is worth the cost. Again, Dak puts up good numbers, but hasn't been able to have success in the playoffs. I suspect he'll have another good year of personal success, but poor team success.

3 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Name Hurts coaches that excite you. I'll wait.

That's what all of us supporters have been saying the entire time against you negadelphians. 

Doug has a ring and Nick is adaptable. Hurts also came from two hellacious programs and still looks like a rookie QB 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Doug has a ring and Nick is adaptable. Hurts also came from two hellacious programs and still looks like a rookie QB 

Doug is not our head coach. 

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Watson wouldn't be cheap, neither would Jackson or Murray. The difference is those guys are younger than Wilson, and I'd gamble on the long game because it might be worth it. Russ will be 34 this season in November, and I just don't think the upside is worth the cost. Again, Dak puts up good numbers, but hasn't been able to have success in the playoffs. I suspect he'll have another good year of personal success, but poor team success.

You kill me dude. It's like when you argue back, you are having your own conversation 

 

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

Doug is not our head coach. 

*Looks back to hurts rookie year* oh yeah, I forgot to you guys this didn't happen 

Just now, Shalodeep said:

You kill me dude. It's like when you argue back, you are having your own conversation 

 

No, you just aren't comprehending anything. Watson is 26, Lamar is 24, Kyler is 25, Wilson is 33. Do I need to go into great lengths and spell everything out for you?

1 minute ago, MF POON said:

No, you just aren't comprehending anything. Watson is 26, Lamar is 24, Kyler is 25, Wilson is 33. Do I need to go into great lengths and spell everything out for you?

33 isn't ancient anymore dude. Also waiting 4 years for development isn't the norm. Everyone you listed above proves themselves early early. Keep waiting. Will give you plenty of time to come up with new excuses 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

33 isn't ancient anymore dude. Also waiting 4 years for development isn't the norm. Everyone you listed above proves themselves early early. Keep waiting. Will give you plenty of time to come up with new excuses 

No, Wilson's light didn't go off until year 4, when he finally went for over 4k passing yards, got out of the 20's in TDs, and became more of a pocket passer. In year 3 he threw for only 20 TDs and 3400 yards, which you would absolutely ridicule Hurts over if that's what he achieves this season.  Hurts is going into year 3, so the not waiting for development point you made is wrong. Lastly, 33 years isn't old, but I've already stated the reasons why I don't want him and it appears you haven't comprehended anything.

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

No, Wilson's light didn't go off until year 4, when he finally went for over 4k passing yards, got out of the 20's in TDs, and became more of a pocket passer. In year 3 he threw for only 20 TDs and 3400 yards, which you would absolutely ridicule Hurts over if that's what he achieves this season.  Hurts is going into year 3, so the not waiting for development point you made is wrong. Lastly, 33 years isn't old, but I've already stated the reasons why I don't want him and it appears you haven't comprehended anything.

He threw 26 TD's in his first and second season.  He also completed 64% and 63% of his passes.

Hurts threw 16 TD's

16 minutes ago, MF POON said:

No, Wilson's light didn't go off until year 4, when he finally went for over 4k passing yards, got out of the 20's in TDs, and became more of a pocket passer. In year 3 he threw for only 20 TDs and 3400 yards, which you would absolutely ridicule Hurts over if that's what he achieves this season.  Hurts is going into year 3, so the not waiting for development point you made is wrong. Lastly, 33 years isn't old, but I've already stated the reasons why I don't want him and it appears you haven't comprehended anything.

XD okay. So you don't know football. Got it 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He threw 26 TD's in his first and second season.  He also completed 64% and 63% of his passes.

Hurts threw 16 TD's

He also ran a lot, and couldn't reach 4k in passing yards, which are some of the criticisms you all have of Hurts.  he regressed in TDs in year 3, but he was still developing. Yeah, 16 TDs, lets hope he improves a good deal on that number

3 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

XD okay. So you don't know football. Got it 

That's the season he took the leap you all want Jalen to make. 26 TDs and 3300 yds wouldn't be acceptable this season from Jalen, right? Neither would 20 TDs, and 3400 yards, correct?

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

That's the season he took the leap you all want Jalen to make. 26 TDs and 3300 yds wouldn't be acceptable this season from Jalen, right? Neither would 20 TDs, and 3400 yards, correct?

If Jalen threw 26 TDS his first two years starting, I would be on your side of the argument... so you are wrong....again 

2 hours ago, MF POON said:

The Chiefs franchise quarterback, who has won a Super Bowl and an MVP award, was recently criticized for playing "streetball” when his first read is taken away, according to a report by The Athletic, quoting an anonymous NFL defensive coordinator. 

Mahomes noted that black quarterbacks are often more subject to different types of criticism than white signal-callers. 

For example, Murray recently led the Cardinals to their first playoff berth in six years. 

But the Arizona quarterback was put under a microscope for an "independent study” clause placed in his newly signed five-year, $230.5 million extension, which was later removed. Murray said he refuses to let his work ethic be questioned. 

He signed that contract and only complained when it became public about the very strange work ethic clause

5 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

33 isn't ancient anymore dude. Also waiting 4 years for development isn't the norm. Everyone you listed above proves themselves early early. Keep waiting. Will give you plenty of time to come up with new excuses 

Let's see who uses excuses after week 1. I predict the excuses will be along the lines of, "But that was against Detroit who is not a playoff team."

5 hours ago, MF POON said:

No, Wilson's light didn't go off until year 4, when he finally went for over 4k passing yards, got out of the 20's in TDs, and became more of a pocket passer. In year 3 he threw for only 20 TDs and 3400 yards, which you would absolutely ridicule Hurts over if that's what he achieves this season.  Hurts is going into year 3, so the not waiting for development point you made is wrong. Lastly, 33 years isn't old, but I've already stated the reasons why I don't want him and it appears you haven't comprehended anything.

Already campaigning for another year? This season hasn't even started.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Let's see who uses excuses after week 1. I predict the excuses will be along the lines of, "But that was against Detroit who is not a playoff team."

Hurts' Week 1 performance from 2021 didn't carry through the rest of the season, unfortunately.

I agree with you people will jump on the negative too quickly; I will try to segment the season in 3 parts -- first 6 games, first 12, and end of season.