1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Let's see who uses excuses after week 1. I predict the excuses will be along the lines of, "But that was against Detroit who is not a playoff team."

I've stated multiple times I'm not gonna say much of anything once the season starts until the bye because if they start slow, it may not even fall on the QB, but the coaches

4 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I've stated multiple times I'm not gonna say much of anything once the season starts until the bye because if they start slow, it may not even fall on the QB, but the coaches

A slow start won't surprise me at all. In fact, I'm used to it. I will be surprised if we begin 0-1. But I'm sure both you and I will say what we feel when the opportunity arises. It's easy to say, "I'm done with this topic / thread / EMB poster / etc..." But it's hard to carry out with the plan in real time. 

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

A slow start won't surprise me at all. In fact, I'm used to it. I will be surprised if we begin 0-1. But I'm sure both you and I will say what we feel when the opportunity arises. It's easy to say, "I'm done with this topic / thread / EMB poster / etc..." But it's hard to carry out with the plan in real time. 

Yep good or bad the first game is only one game. But it'll be the only football that counts that we have to go on this season.  I always consider my comments running judgements subject to change but personally I see no fun in constantly saying I'm reserving judgement until the end of the season or even worse for 3 years when talking about a draft pick

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Yep good or bad the first game is only one game. But it'll be the only football that counts that we have to go on this season.  I always consider my comments running judgements subject to change but personally I see no fun in constantly saying I'm reserving judgement until the end of the season or even worse for 3 years when talking about a draft pick

We differ a bit there. Even though 1 season or two seasons can demonstrate a trend, I like to give a guy a chance to put the past behind him, assuming he wins a roster spot in the 3rd year on merit. Sometimes a player blows every opportunity (like JJAW), but sometimes a player just had some bad luck early (like Brandon Graham). We had Jalen Reagor entering his 3rd season here, but he was continually losing ground on the depth chart and was fighting for a final roster spot. Having the opportunity to get something from him in a trade was fine since Cain was performing at least as well as him and Covey looks like he could develop into a return specialist / slot receiver. 

26 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

A slow start won't surprise me at all. In fact, I'm used to it. I will be surprised if we begin 0-1. But I'm sure both you and I will say what we feel when the opportunity arises. It's easy to say, "I'm done with this topic / thread / EMB poster / etc..." But it's hard to carry out with the plan in real time. 

I've been trying to adjust my approach on development instead of directly saying absolutes. He will be starting this year for probably the entirety of the year . I think he has a much higher mountain to climb than plenty on this board, but until there are 6-7 games I won't be able to measure accurately how his growth since last year. Hopefully the man makes leaps. I think he may get into a few games he is gonna have to win with his arm by then. Definitely don't think week 1 will be that though lol 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

 Definitely don't think week 1 will be that though lol 

Honestly, I hope not. That has nothing to do with Hurts. I just enjoy watching my team play and being in a good mood the entire game. I hope we dominate  from beginning to end and at least feel pretty good for a week. 

11 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

If Jalen threw 26 TDS his first two years starting, I would be on your side of the argument... so you are wrong....again 

Well he's only in his second year of starting but you already made up your mind. did you expect him to throw 26 TDs in 3 1/2 games as a rookie??

I give Hurts up to the Steelers game to prove himself. If he hasn't improved by the Steelers game, I'm not supporting him any further. Here's hoping he is more than just "a leader" everyone keeps talking about. He has to be a really good PLAYER before he can ever be a leader. How the hell is he a great leader if he can't play well? Game 8- Steelers. Congrats if he earns his acclaim. Boooo and I'm done with him if he sucks and all the Eagles have is a running game- again.

This is the best analogy for my feelings on Hurts that absolutely no one asked for, as it stands today. 

You're playing Blackjack and the dealer is showing a face card while you are looking down at 16. You know it’s probably not good enough to win the hand. Some will stay because they are afraid of drawing another card and busting and hope it’s good enough. Some know you have to hit because even though there is a chance you bust, your current hand likely isn’t good enough.

Kyler Murray through 19 starts:  7-11-1 record 424 of 655 for 64.7% 4508 yards 24 TDs 17 picks 86.1 rating 731 rushing at 6.14 a carry and 8 TDs. 5 fumbles 2 lost and 54 sacks.

Murray 5239 total yards 32 total TDs and 19 turnovers

 

Josh Allen through 19 starts: 12-7 record 311 of 548 for 56.8% 3653 yards 20 TDs 19 picks 74.9 rating 852 rushing 5.84 per carry 12 TDs. 18 fumbles 5 lost 46 sacks

Allen 4505 total yards 32 total TDs and 24 turnovers.

 

Jalen Hurts through 19 starts: 9-10 record 334 of 565 for 59.1% 4063 yards 21 TDs 12 picks 84.8 rating 1056 rushing at 5.71 a carry and 13 TDs. 15 fumbles 5 lost and 36 sacks.

Hurts 5119 total yards 34 total TDs and 17 turnovers.

 

Now lets look at what Jackson has become.

Lamar Jackson's last 19 games. 12-7 record 354 of 545 for 65% 4126 yards 30 TDs 18 picks 92.3 rating 1303 rushing at 6.12 a carry and 6 TDs. 10 fumbles 4 lost and 46 sacks.

Jackson 5429 total yards 36 total TDs and 22 turnovers.

 

I have no idea how people so passionately hate his guts already but they like Jackson or Murray. Let the guy play and see what he becomes.

He's never going to be Allen, no one else will, but like almost every QB he will get better at passing through experience.

4 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Kyler Murray through 19 starts:  7-11-1 record 424 of 655 for 64.7% 4508 yards 24 TDs 17 picks 86.1 rating 731 rushing at 6.14 a carry and 8 TDs. 5 fumbles 2 lost and 54 sacks.

Murray 5239 total yards 32 total TDs and 19 turnovers

 

Josh Allen through 19 starts: 12-7 record 311 of 548 for 56.8% 3653 yards 20 TDs 19 picks 74.9 rating 852 rushing 5.84 per carry 12 TDs. 18 fumbles 5 lost 46 sacks

Allen 4505 total yards 32 total TDs and 24 turnovers.

 

Jalen Hurts through 19 starts: 9-10 record 334 of 565 for 59.1% 4063 yards 21 TDs 12 picks 84.8 rating 1056 rushing at 5.71 a carry and 13 TDs. 15 fumbles 5 lost and 36 sacks.

Hurts 5119 total yards 34 total TDs and 17 turnovers.

 

Now lets look at what Jackson has become.

Lamar Jackson's last 19 games. 12-7 record 354 of 545 for 65% 4126 yards 30 TDs 18 picks 92.3 rating 1303 rushing at 6.12 a carry and 6 TDs. 10 fumbles 4 lost and 46 sacks.

Jackson 5429 total yards 36 total TDs and 22 turnovers.

 

I have no idea how people so passionately hate his guts already but they like Jackson or Murray. Let the guy play and see what he becomes.

He's never going to be Allen, no one else will, but like almost every QB he will get better at passing through experience.

I have yet to see someone that doesn’t like Hurts that somehow likes Murray or Jackson. And no, it has nothing to do with race

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I have yet to see someone that doesn’t like Hurts that somehow likes Murray or Jackson. And no, it has nothing to do with race

First of all, I did not bring up race.

Second of all if you think there are not any racists who hate Hurts then you are on a different planet.

Murray was a 69.2% completion 100.6 rated passer last year. About the only thing he has in common with still raw as a passer Hurts as a QB right now is his running.

If Hurts winds up with a 69% and 100+ rating season this year or next and they still don't like him? They can deal with being sad for a decade.

 

Murray ran 214 times the last 2 years. Allen ran 224 times.

Do they hate Allen too?

How about 1992 Steve Young with his street ball 76 runs? Did he pass some kind of secret test? Cunningham in 1990?

14 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

First of all, I did not bring up race.

Second of all if you think there are not any racists who hate Hurts then you are on a different planet.

First of all, I never said you did. I was getting it out of the way before it got brought up.

Second of all, where the hell do you get there are not any racists who hate Hurts from my post?  Seriously, nothing even hinted at any of these two. Try reading. 

The point was, people on this board who don’t like Hurts, almost always do not like other QB’s with similar traits. I have seen people who don’t like Hurts campaign for Wilson or Watson. I have never seen someone who doesn’t like Hurts campaign for Murray or Jackson. 

Read the words you typed and the words I replied with.

You spoke in the plural, brought up racism., and said there was none. I pointed you were completely wrong to speak about plural and make that distinction on this planet.

You can understand the interaction or you can be fake outraged. Its your call.

12 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Read the words you typed and the words I replied with.

You spoke in the plural, brought up racism., and said there was none. I pointed you were completely wrong to speak about plural and make that distinction on this planet.

You can understand the interaction or you can be fake outraged. Its your call.

You can quote me, it’s ok buttercup. 

I said I have yet to see someone that doesn’t like Hurts that likes Murray or Jackson. I spoke as I, LeanMeanGM, have yet to see that. How you imply that as "on this planet” is a mystery. Again, try reading.

Please quote where I said there was no racism. Again, I said there are people that don’t like any of the three, and the dislike has nothing to do with race. Specifically meaning because they are three QB’s with similar skill sets. And if you don’t like Hurts skill set, there’s a good reason why you wouldn’t like Murray or Jackson. 

You can understand the interaction, if you try to read. It’s now your call.

 

So the deal is that you are really bad at using your words to clearly express yourself and then you freak out when people take the meaning that is clearly there in the words because you are not a very good writer. Gotcha.

Internet tough guy is sad that he does not get to control what people think about what he says. Then he wants to go back in time and pretend he provided additional detail that clearly should have been understood. Wow, you are a true original.

13 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

So the deal is that you are really bad at using your words to clearly express yourself and then you freak out when people take the meaning that is clearly there in the words because you are not a very good writer. Gotcha.

Internet tough guy is sad that he does not get to control what people think about what he says. Then he wants to go back in time and pretend he provided additional detail that clearly should have been understood. Wow, you are a true original.

Why are you afraid to quote me?

Let me dumb this down for you. I have yet to see someone that dislikes Hurts, that’s somehow likes Murray or Jackson. 

And it has nothing to do with race from what I saw. It’s common sense.

I’m mad because you can’t understand simple sentences or have the backbone to quote me. You f’ing idiot. 

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Why are you afraid to quote me?

Let me dumb this down for you. I have yet to see someone that dislikes Hurts, that’s somehow likes Murray or Jackson. 

And it has nothing to do with race from what I saw. It’s common sense.

I’m mad because you can’t understand simple sentences or have the backbone to quote me. You f’ing idiot. 

I’m not entirely sold on JH and I do kinda like both Jackson and Murray… does that count?

53 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I’m not entirely sold on JH and I do kinda like both Jackson and Murray… does that count?

Not really. It’s pretty understandable that someone that isn’t entirely sold on Hurts kinda likes them both more because they are better versions of Hurts. 

I’d say the majority of the time how you feel about Hurts directly relates to how you feel about them. And that’s not a slight at all to anyone. Some people like Coke and some people like Pepsi. 

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not really. It’s pretty understandable that someone that isn’t entirely sold on Hurts kinda likes them both more because they are better versions of Hurts. 

I’d say the majority of the time how you feel about Hurts directly relates to how you feel about them. And that’s not a slight at all to anyone. Some people like Coke and some people like Pepsi. 

I agree with Lamar being a better Hurts, but I believe Murray is a different beast. He’s a deadly accurate passer (particularly downfield), but a bit of a goofball in the personality department. His career could unfold in all kinds of ways, but I think few would parallel Jackson or Hurts

4 hours ago, MF POON said:

Well he's only in his second year of starting but you already made up your mind. did you expect him to throw 26 TDs in 3 1/2 games as a rookie??

No, but also didn't get excited about 52% completion, 4ints and 9 fumbles in 3.5 games.  Jalen gave zero reasons in his first starts to be excited for him last year. Jalen was below average every where it mattered the following year that I have zero excitement for him this year. In his 19.5 starts, I have seen far more reasons to not get behind him than give my full support. I am not a fan of his skill set, nor his attitude when asked to adjust. I don't care he can keep a straight face while taking hard coaching. I care that he absorbs the coaching. If he continues to roll right and only go for the first or second read before calling his number, I hope he is out of here and we start new. This team has too much passing firepower for a dude who feels the need to run from phantom pressure and poor mechanics 

7 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

No, but also didn't get excited about 52% completion, 4ints and 9 fumbles in 3.5 games.  Jalen gave zero reasons in his first starts to be excited for him last year. Jalen was below average every where it mattered the following year that I have zero excitement for him this year. In his 19.5 starts, I have seen far more reasons to not get behind him than give my full support. I am not a fan of his skill set, nor his attitude when asked to adjust. I don't care he can keep a straight face while taking hard coaching. I care that he absorbs the coaching. If he continues to roll right and only go for the first or second read before calling his number, I hope he is out of here and we start new. This team has too much passing firepower for a dude who feels the need to run from phantom pressure and poor mechanics 

I wasn't a fan of his after the rookie season. His numbers didn't justify keeping Wentz (who was clearly having a bad season) on the bench. The week 1 performance last season had me feeling good about his future, but then he lost me again the next few games. But, in my eyes, he improved in the following weeks enough that I am confident he's an improving young passer. 

 

I don't know where you've derived his bad "attitude" from. 

 

 

 

13 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

This is the best analogy for my feelings on Hurts that absolutely no one asked for, as it stands today. 

You're playing Blackjack and the dealer is showing a face card while you are looking down at 16. You know it’s probably not good enough to win the hand. Some will stay because they are afraid of drawing another card and busting and hope it’s good enough. Some know you have to hit because even though there is a chance you bust, your current hand likely isn’t good enough.

Main flaw in this analogy is that your 16 stays a 16 regardless, while an actual player can improve.