5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Turn off Tucker Carlson

Bahahaha proof you know nothing about me. 

Here's a few hints. My high school sweetheart and I looked like a contrast photo at prom, my fiance is Latino, and I voted for Bernie during the primaries. You not only missed the boat, you ain't even near the damn ocean

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You know the best RB in the league is a white guy, you racist? 

Um, no, Jonathan Taylor is the best RB in the league.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The racist he's a RB stuff should stay in the other thread.  That is absolutely the 'I only hired the best person for the job' logic which defines the best person by criteria that favors a certain race.  I don't know if Hurts will ever be a top 10 QB which is the type you typically need to win in the playoffs but guess what? Most average pocket passers aren't good enough either. Yet somehow they aren't insulted on nearly the same level from some people. I wonder why that is.

I don't like those comments either, but why are they racist?   Very similar criticisms were leveled at Tim Tebow about him only being a FB playing the QB, but no one said that those comments were racist.

You are correct that most QBs never reach top 10 status.  That's the whole point about being top 10, its about reaching a certain level of excellence.  But, if you think that players like Koy Detmer or Bobby Hoying or Kevin Kolb didn't get criticized for their struggles, then you are being disingenuous.  Playing QB in Philadelphia is a high pressure job, one of the most scrutinized in the world.  EVERY QB that starts for this team gets criticized.  Every single one.  I remember the criticisms leveled at Jaws back in the day.  Wentz was criticized unmercifully his last year here. It isn't related to the race of the individual, but the position that they are playing and whether or not the fans think that it is 'good enough'.  (Generally, that level of play needs to be nearly MVP level every single game, or you get the Mike Schmidt quote, "Only in Philadelphia you get the thrill of victory and the agony of reading about it the next day."  Were Philly fans racist against Schmidt?)  The criticisms are generally different for each one, but the one about Hurts being a RB goes back to the Eagles' FO when he was drafted talking about him as a gadget player in the mold of Taysom Hill... his own statements about 'getting freaky', etc.  Going back to his rookie year, he had 12 rushes to 3 pass attempts before Wentz was benched against GB.  And Hurts is a much more talented runner than he is a passer.  Does that make him a RB?  No.   But, it also doesn't make it racist to call him that.   

Philly is a tough town for the superstar.  Very few are ever fully embraced, and only after they have been put through the wringer and manage to persevere through it all.   It may not be right, but that doesn't make it racist.   Philadelphia is a crucible for professional athletes, not racist.   There are some racist individuals, but they are fewer and further between than most folks who cry racism realize.

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The racist he's a RB stuff should stay in the other thread.  That is absolutely the 'I only hired the best person for the job' logic which defines the best person by criteria that favors a certain race.  I don't know if Hurts will ever be a top 10 QB which is the type you typically need to win in the playoffs but guess what? Most average pocket passers aren't good enough either. Yet somehow they aren't insulted on nearly the same level from some people. I wonder why that is.

Because they fail while trying to do QB things, not fail while trying to do RB things.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

WTF.

Legit question, do you not watch the games

 

Yes I do. And I'm not convinced Hurts will ever be the guy to win in playoffs. BUT the way he gets treated here by some is much worse than if he were a mediocre pocket passer who actually produced less wins. 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Um, no, Jonathan Taylor is the best RB in the league.

Meh it's debatable. Taylor probably a better runner, but CMC has him in pass catching and play making ability. 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Because they fail while trying to do QB things, not fail while trying to do RB things.

Success for the team is winning and on O scoring points in tough games. There is no official style that defines a QB in this NFL. 

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't like those comments either, but why are they racist?   Very similar criticisms were leveled at Tim Tebow about him only being a FB playing the QB, but no one said that those comments were racist.

 

Tim Tebow threw for 660 total yards as a high in a season.  Hurts threw for over 3,000 yards last year. Has had 300+ yard games and threw for 240 on Sunday. It's absolutely fair to question whether Hurts is good enough long term but the way he's talked about goes beyond that

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Success for the team is winning and on O scoring points in tough games. There is no official style that defines a QB in this NFL. 

Sure there is, passing the ball and being a distributor is the style that wins championships. Running it yourself and being selfish doesn't. 

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Tim Tebow threw for 660 total yards as a high in a season.  Hurts threw for over 3,000 yards last year. Has had 300+ yard games and threw for 240 on Sunday. It's absolutely fair to question whether Hurts is good enough long term but the way he's talked about goes beyond that

Hurts very first start:

17/30 167 yards, 1 TD, 18 rushes for 106 yards 

Hurts first start this year:

18/32 243 yards, 0 TD, 17 rushes for 90 yards

We were sold a bill of goods this offseason that he had been working on his weaknesses, his pocket presence, his mechanics, etc. Meet the new boss, same as the old. 

43 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You just gave Hurts a complete pass for his play that season, under a bad team and exiting staff.  The same thing doesn't apply to the other QB with the same team and staff?

Talk about a quick loss of credibility on your part.

He played in 3.5 games.  I don't think that's enough games to warrant crediting him with a full season's worth of experience. Do you understand it now, or are you pretty stupid?

Everyone keeps saying he's in his third year, as if he has 2 full seasons worth of playing experience, and he doesn't. 

21 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Tim Tebow threw for 660 total yards as a high in a season.  Hurts threw for over 3,000 yards last year. Has had 300+ yard games and threw for 240 on Sunday. It's absolutely fair to question whether Hurts is good enough long term but the way he's talked about goes beyond that

False.

And I like how you ignored everything else that was said in that post.   It isn't about race.  Its the crucible of Philadelphia sports.

33 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Success for the team is winning and on O scoring points in tough games. There is no official style that defines a QB in this NFL. 

Tebow was 7-4 as a starter with Denver in 2011.    But... you then made it about his passing yards in 2010.  🤔

2 minutes ago, MF POON said:

He played in 3.5 games.  I don't think that's enough games to warrant crediting him with a full season's worth of experience. Do you understand it now, or are you pretty stupid?

Everyone keeps saying he's in his third year, as if he has 2 full seasons worth of playing experience, and he doesn't. 

Why do you think that is? 

20 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts very first start:

17/30 167 yards, 1 TD, 18 rushes for 106 yards 

Hurts first start this year:

18/32 243 yards, 0 TD, 17 rushes for 90 yards

We were sold a bill of goods this offseason that he had been working on his weaknesses, his pocket presence, his mechanics, etc. Meet the new boss, same as the old. 

I have this concern as well; training camp and preseason is all flowery talk and superlatives from all 32 teams about how their players are doing, how the rosters look, etc. -- then the real games come and will tell the true story of where teams are at.

I'm willing to wait the first 6 games to form a true opinion.  I'm very concerned Hurts chose to keep the football again as much as distribute it, but in Week 1 the Rams got blown out, Green Bay got beaten badly, the Titans lost to the Giants, and the Niners lost to the Bears.  Strange things happened which should not continue.  At least the Eagles got a road win, albeit over a bad team they let put up 35 points.

I'm hopeful (maybe foolishly) the Eagles defense will tackle better, cover better, give more snaps to better players .... and Hurts will distribute the ball against a better opponent, and the Eagles might win at home in Week 2.  We will see.  

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

He played in 3.5 games.  I don't think that's enough games to warrant crediting him with a full season's worth of experience. Do you understand it now, or are you pretty stupid?

Everyone keeps saying he's in his third year, as if he has 2 full seasons worth of playing experience, and he doesn't. 

What does Hurts' contract say -- second year, or 3rd year?  He's in his 3rd year of a 4-year deal -- without a 5th year option.  That means he'll want a huge raise after this season.

As for the "pretty stupid" part -- this seems to be you:

49 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Sure.   Would have been more clutch to get a TD before the end of the half... when you are at the 4 yard line with 46 seconds and a timeout left.   True "clutch" is scoring TDs in the last 2 minutes of a half.  QBs are paid for scoring TDs, not settling for FGs.  

 

I was really looking forward to Hurts in the 2 minute offense before the half.  What we really got was a successful deep shot, his only deep shot of the entire game, and a lot of running plays.   Not exactly something that bodes well for the future.  In fact, the 'shot' play might have been called due to the coaches not trusting that he could actually move the team down the field in a standard 2 minute drill method.  I was hoping the 2 minute offense would give me more confidence with him moving forward.   It pretty much went the other way.

No, being clutch is getting points regardless. You hope for a TD, but you'll settle for a FG.  KC didn't settle for a FG right before the half in the AFCCG last season. They failed to get any points on that 2 minute drive and it totally shifted the momentum after they were up. They ended up losing that game to the Bengals, but oh right, it's not true clutch unless you score a TD 😄

49 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

So let me ask you again. If he plays at least 15 games, has less than 20 passing touchdowns and finishes the season ranked 20th or worse in many passing statistics, will he be starting next year? After he was given a top 5 receiving group and still has a top 5 oline (didn't show this week @_@ easily can admit that), you believe as long as he protects the ball and runs, he will start. I don't think you guys realize your talking points to defend him are the same you give to a backup filling in versus the ones you give to a starter on a team with deep playoff dreams

I'm not entertaining the various questions you pose, I already gave you an answer.

Just now, Alphagrand said:

What does Hurts' contract say -- second year, or 3rd year?  He's in his 3rd year of a 4-year deal -- without a 5th year option.  That means he'll want a huge raise after this season.

As for the "pretty stupid" part -- this seems to be you:

Ok, i see you're an idiot. Thanks for the clarification

5 minutes ago, MF POON said:

No, being clutch is getting points regardless. You hope for a TD, but you'll settle for a FG.  KC didn't settle for a FG right before the half in the AFCCG last season. They failed to get any points on that 2 minute drive and it totally shifted the momentum after they were up. They ended up losing that game to the Bengals, but oh right, it's not true clutch unless you score a TD 😄

I'm not entertaining the various questions you pose, I already gave you an answer.

Ok, i see you're an idiot. Thanks for the clarification

It wasn't an actual answer, it was avoiding the question

12 minutes ago, MF POON said:

He played in 3.5 games.  I don't think that's enough games to warrant crediting him with a full season's worth of experience. Do you understand it now, or are you pretty stupid?

Everyone keeps saying he's in his third year, as if he has 2 full seasons worth of playing experience, and he doesn't. 

Did he not get drafted 3 years ago ??  Did he go through 3 NFL training camps ??  Did he practice every week his rookie year ??

Patrick Mahomes played in 1 game his rookie year, let me say that slowly, again

Patrick Mahomes played in 1 game his rookie year

He then came out after that 1 game of experience and threw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

So based on this absurd multiple rookie year nonsense the Hurts crowd comes up with, Mahomes actually threw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's as a rookie.

12 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Everyone keeps saying he's in his third year, as if he has 2 full seasons worth of playing experience, and he doesn't. 

I think you're confused. No one said he's had two full seasons of play. He obviously hasn't. What he has had is two full seasons of learning NFL lingo, getting up to speed, etc. You're forgetting (or conveniently leaving out) that even in his first season before starting, he took snaps the entire season.

Either way no matter how much you want to slice it, this is his third season.

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Why do you think that is? 

Yes He's in his third year, but he doesn't have 2 whole seasons of actual game time.  

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Did he not get drafted 3 years ago ??  Did he go through 3 NFL training camps ??  Did he practice every week his rookie year ??

Patrick Mahomes played in 1 game his rookie year, let me say that slowly, again

Patrick Mahomes played in 1 game his rookie year

He then came out after that 1 game of experience and threw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

So based on this absurd multiple rookie year nonsense the Hurts crowd comes up with, Mahomes actually threw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's as a rookie.

No, this offseason was his 2nd I believe due to covid, and only his first where he was getting all the 1st team reps. 

You can point to Mahomes as an example of where a player should be, but it's silly.  Josh Allen wasn't on Mahomes' level his first 2 seasons, and now many rank Allen above Mahomes as the best in the league.  We've already had this stupid instant gratification argument before, and it means nothing. Some players develop slower, or are drafted into better scenarios.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Did he not get drafted 3 years ago ??  Did he go through 3 NFL training camps ??  Did he practice every week his rookie year ??

Patrick Mahomes played in 1 game his rookie year, let me say that slowly, again

Patrick Mahomes played in 1 game his rookie year

He then came out after that 1 game of experience and threw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's.

So based on this absurd multiple rookie year nonsense the Hurts crowd comes up with, Mahomes actually threw for 5000 yards and 50 TD's as a rookie.

Ty for bringing up that situation because I was about to use Alex Smith as an example. I have compared Jalen to Smith a few times calling him the running Smith. Smith could always get a solid amount of wins and had the love of his teammates...but the team realized he could only take them so far and got into the QB game once again.  Jalen will win you 9-11 because he doesn't do a lot of negative plays, but he lacks something.

If the chiefs can give up on a QB with 68% completion 26tds and 5ints.... Don't be shocked when the eagles give up on 20/9 and 62@%

Just now, MF POON said:

Yes He's in his third year, but he doesn't have 2 whole seasons of actual game time.  

 

No, this offseason was his 2nd I believe due to covid, and only his first where he was getting all the 1st team reps. 

i think Hurts got first team reps a year ago as well. Flacco was his backup during preseason.

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Tebow was 7-4 as a starter with Denver in 2011.    But... you then made it about his passing yards in 2010.  🤔

Fair enough but the offense didn't score well as I remember (could be wrong)

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Ty for bringing up that situation because I was about to use Alex Smith as an example. I have compared Jalen to Smith a few times calling him the running Smith. Smith could always get a solid amount of wins and had the love of his teammates...but the team realized he could only take them so far and got into the QB game once again.  Jalen will win you 9-11 because he doesn't do a lot of negative plays, but he lacks something.

If the chiefs can give up on a QB with 68% completion 26tds and 5ints.... Don't be shocked when the eagles give up on 20/9 and 62@%

20 TDs is a stretch. He's shown nothing at all to indicate he can get there.