1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

If a rat goes inside is it a mouse? Furthermore, if a mouse goes outside is it a rat?

all the teams were rusty,  or most,  this was the most worthless preseason, with teams wanting to avoid injury more than anything else.

36 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

If he gets wins, and doesn't throw touchdown passes,  the Eagles might possibly be able to sign him to a long term contract without having to pay what Lamar is likely to get, and so many of the starters get.  Maybe.

38 points is a lot of points for a team to score.  The Eagles and Hurts did 38+ twice last year.  Wentz didn't get 38+ at all between 2018 and 2020.   Multiple times in the Super Bowl year by both Wentz and Foles.

Did the Eagles lose some sort of hard to see benefit by getting rushing TDs instead of passing TDs?    Because those rushing TDs count just as much as passing TDs and the Eagles just scored the 3rd most points since the Super Bowl win.

Most teams didn't practice too much this preseason.  Most teams were pretty rusty.  The Ravens were rusty too.  But I expect they'll get into mid season form by mid season.

I expect something close to an average of Eagles 28 Opponent 14 over the season.  That might be too wide a gap.  28-17?  

I don't really see a scenario where Hurts isn't the starter next year if he's healthy, and it's kind of ridiculous that people suggest otherwise.   He's going to be paid almost nothing,  he's a top 10 QB by measurements that include rushing yards,  he's top running QB along with Lamar and whoever else belongs with them.   To replace him before the end of 2023 - actual contract cost,  cost of the resources to get the replacement.  

Tom Brady wins half the time.   Is Tom Brady an option?  I'm not going to argue against Tom Brady.   But those other QBs don't win more than the Eagles just did with their backup QB Foles.   Aaron Rodgers?   Won a Super Bowl,  but longer ago than the Eagles and Foles.

I don't see any reason that Hurts wouldn't be the starter this and next year.  However, they might want to draft a QB if they don't want to pay Hurts $40+ M.   Jordan Love has played how much?  A 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounder used to draft a QB in 2023 when Hurts is starting all 2023.   It isn't that hard to find top running QBs who can win if you have a run first offense with all the fixins. 

The Eagles are lacking somewhat in certain areas.  

They don't have the BIGS that the Ravens do. (Well, they do,  Howie gives the coaches versatile freakbeasts who could do that job)  There is no Nick Boyle and no Patrick Ricard,  guys who are out there to block more effectively that the smaller guys most teams have.  They do that, it's effective, it works.

The Eagles don't have one of those great RBs that do exist in the NFL right now, the big and fast kind.  Henry, Barkley, Chubb, Fournette, Dillon.  The ones that you want to hand it to in goal line situations, and also ones who could break a huge run because high top speed.

The Eagles do have that great OL (which wasn't so great against the Lions) which should shake off the rust soon, and that's 5 guys there with quality backups.   The Eagles could use OL backups like Jurgens as their Boyle/Ricard,  they could use players on defense like Davis or Milton Williams or Kyron Johnson.   They get those spots filled, and they have top running QB with adequate passing, and you run a ton, and you're even more dominant than now, you just don't need an expensive QB.  

I think I'd rather have freakbeast blockers in the backfield who have the versatility to run and catch and throw if possible, I'll pay a running back.   But I'd try to have a system that doesn't care much if the passer rating is 80 if there are 4 rushing TDs,   and pays the QB at the rate of the 0 passing TDs QB, even though the 4 rushing TDs are there.  QBs are too expensive.   

We just saw the Eagles put up 38 points.  
Roughly 4 ways of getting yards and points.
QB Runs (90 yards 1 TD)
RB Runs (over 100 yards 3 TDs)
Pass catcher 1 (155 yards - WR Brown)
Pass catcher 2 (60 yards - TE Goedert)

That was it, there were less than 30 yards apart from that.

4 positions gained yards.  QB, RB (runs) WR, TE (catches)

2 positions didn't gain yards.   Do the Eagles really need to have 2 positions on the field getting snaps who could get yards and don't?  

When those 4 positions get you 38 points,  3rd most points since the Super Bowl win,  well the least I'd say is that one of those 2 spots should be filled by someone whose job is to make things easier for the 4 who are gaining the yards,  and that would be one of the freakbeasts who are big and versatile.  I mention Cam Jurgens for this because we saw him be good, and there isn't a spot for him on the oline at this point, so he's just sitting. 

You have an even more dominant run attack,  you can draft 242 pound running QB KJ Jefferson from Arkansas, somewhere around where you drafted Hurts, and pay him almost nothing.   You want to keep Hurts, but some team might want him at $40+ M a year, and with your dominant rushing attack (traded for Barkley after the Giants were eliminated) you just don't need a $40+ M QB.  It should be much more easy to see if a QB has what it takes to run well than pass well. 

Anthony Richardson Florida,  it looks like he's a first rounder.  KT Jefferson Arkansas. Malik Cunningham Louisville.  Hendon Hooker Tennessee.  Emory Jones Arizona State.  Those are all guys who could be in the same ballpark, top running, good enough passing with a dominant run game.  The Eagles have Tyree Jackson who looks like a better QB than some of the preseason QBs some teams had this year.  Tyree Jackson did some good stuff in the preseason as the Bills QB.  So, maybe the Eagles bring in more like Hurts, and then after the 2023 season, "let him go",  to find if he can get that $40+ M.  If he can't, he comes back for a better amount of money for the Eagles.  

Baker Mayfield took the Browns to a 11-5 season in 2020, the best record the Browns have had in years.  They were talking about paying him what the top QBs were getting. Next year he has a hurt shoulder, plays through it, doesn't do as well.   He's gone, the Browns pay massive amounts to a QB who apparently did great while going 4-12, and isn't likely to get too many tv commercials any time soon.  Baker is now making $5 Million with the Panthers.    Baker's shoulder isn't quite as bad last year, maybe Baker is making $40+ M.   There seems to be little to separate $40+ M and $5 M.   Slightly worse = costs much less. The Eagles don't need top (expensive) passing if they have that dominant run game and the Eagles have that key piece, the dominant run blocking oline.  A couple of big freakbeasts to block and be versatile,  one of those great rbs who can get it done in short yardage and can also run for long tds,  expensive,  but running backs really aren't that expensive.  Fournette 7 a year,  Henry 12.5 a year.   Barkley  is a FA next year and the Eagles might be able to pick him up cheap,  Giants are out of it, trading deadline, Barkley is leaving.  Eagles should be comfortable they can sign him.   Takes care of that.    Looking at the nextgen stats,  Barkley was the 2nd fastest runner this week - 21.11 mph,  Hurts was 8th fastest 20.5 mph.  Detroit's Swift made the top 20.  No others from that game.

 

This is the greatest post ever made in the history of the EMB. Hands down. 

7 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

There is no reason why fantasy points can't be as good a proxy for quality as any other stat out there.

Fantasy points this week

 

Burrow 23 - Trubisky 13, who won that game ??

Wilson 21 - Geno Smith 20, who won that game ??

Tannehill 22 - Danny Dimes 19, who won that game ??

Mayfield 19 - Brissett 12, who won that game ??

 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

He's ranked dead last in passing touchdowns and 27th in completion percentage. You using something with the literal word FANTASY to defend this guy is adorable and fitting for someone who hangs off of Hurts every word and action 

So you don't live in the world where Fantasy Football exists and is very popular?

You don't live on planet earth?

Great!

You would rather criticize Hurts for leading the Eagles to 38 points and 4 rushing TDs as if a passing TD was worth more than a rushing TD.

6 points is 6 points.  But I guess you don't know that.


 

Just now, Random Reglar said:

So you don't live in the world where Fantasy Football exists and is very popular?

You don't live on planet earth?

Great!

You would rather criticize Hurts for leading the Eagles to 38 points and 4 rushing TDs as if a passing TD was worth more than a rushing TD.

6 points is 6 points.  But I guess you don't know that.


 

31 points. 7 came on a pick 6. The Lions offense out scored our offense. 

10 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

So you don't live in the world where Fantasy Football exists and is very popular?

You don't live on planet earth?

Great!

You would rather criticize Hurts for leading the Eagles to 38 points and 4 rushing TDs as if a passing TD was worth more than a rushing TD.

6 points is 6 points.  But I guess you don't know that.


 

He lead us in rushing yards again....looks like the same throwing mechanics and decision making. It's just force feed AJ instead of Smith or Goedert this year

The day a coach comes out and says "you didn't see Jalen was a top fantasy QB this week. We are proud of him" is the day I switch Fing teams

10 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

So you don't live in the world where Fantasy Football exists and is very popular?

You don't live on planet earth?

Great!

You would rather criticize Hurts for leading the Eagles to 38 points and 4 rushing TDs as if a passing TD was worth more than a rushing TD.

6 points is 6 points.  But I guess you don't know that.


 

Super weapoonzzzzzzzz

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Fantasy points this week

 

Burrow 23 - Trubisky 13, who won that game ??

Wilson 21 - Geno Smith 20, who won that game ??

Tannehill 22 - Danny Dimes 19, who won that game ??

Mayfield 19 - Brissett 12, who won that game ??

 

Hurts 24 - Goff 16 - who won that game??

TD PASSES
Hurts 0 - Goff 2 - who won that game??

COMPLETION PERCENTAGE
Hurts 56.3 - Goff 56.8 - who won that game??

RUSHING YARDS
Hurts 90 - Goff 9 - who won that game??

We can always cherry pick the stats that we like.

There is no reason to favor one stat over another.

Fantasy points and PFF and QBR (the espn stat) do contain rushing

Passer ratings,  passing TDs, completion percentage - all are passing only stats, and the QB does both passing and rushing.

Passing stats without including rushing stats are interesting, but don't tell the story like those other stats do or try to do.

 

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Fantasy points and PFF and QBR (the espn stat) do contain rushing

PFF had Patrick Mahomes as the 8th best QB this week, they are a joke.

2 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Hurts 24 - Goff 16 - who won that game??

TD PASSES
Hurts 0 - Goff 2 - who won that game??

COMPLETION PERCENTAGE
Hurts 56.3 - Goff 56.8 - who won that game??

RUSHING YARDS
Hurts 90 - Goff 9 - who won that game??

We can always cherry pick the stats that we like.

There is no reason to favor one stat over another.

Fantasy points and PFF and QBR (the espn stat) do contain rushing

Passer ratings,  passing TDs, completion percentage - all are passing only stats, and the QB does both passing and rushing.

Passing stats without including rushing stats are interesting, but don't tell the story like those other stats do or try to do.

 

Tell me more about the plan to use Cam Jurgens as a RB? 

4 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

Hurts 24 - Goff 16 - who won that game??

TD PASSES
Hurts 0 - Goff 2 - who won that game??

COMPLETION PERCENTAGE
Hurts 56.3 - Goff 56.8 - who won that game??

RUSHING YARDS
Hurts 90 - Goff 9 - who won that game??

We can always cherry pick the stats that we like.

There is no reason to favor one stat over another.

Fantasy points and PFF and QBR (the espn stat) do contain rushing

Passer ratings,  passing TDs, completion percentage - all are passing only stats, and the QB does both passing and rushing.

Passing stats without including rushing stats are interesting, but don't tell the story like those other stats do or try to do.

 

When one must be compared to Goff to prove his relevance, he is indeed irrelevant 

11 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

31 points. 7 came on a pick 6. The Lions offense out scored our offense. 

He led the Eagles to 38 points.  True that the defense scored 7.

But it's crazy,  when you look at the stats. it says that the Eagles scored 38 points,  and that's the official stat for the offense.  

Those stats aren't carved the way you think they are.

Hurts led the Eagles,  the Eagles scored 38.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022.htm

The Eagles have the 2nd best offense when it comes to points and the 3rd best offense when it comes to points. 1st in carries,  3rd in rushing yards, 1st in rushing TDs,   The function of the QB is to lead the team to points and wins.  Teams typically use a mixture of passes and runs. 

 

1 minute ago, Random Reglar said:

He led the Eagles to 38 points.  True that the defense scored 7.

So he led them to 31 points, meanwhile, Goff led his team to 35 points.

34 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Here's the thing...

Hurts played like this in college. He played like this in 2020. He played like this last season. He played the same way on Sunday. 

He no longer has the rookie excuse. He no longer has the "different system/different coach" excuse. He supposedly worked very hard all off-season and yet, we have the same results. 

To those of you saying "let's see what he does this season" what about all of the above truly makes you believe he's going to suddenly flip a switch when the past several years he hasn't changed a lick?

What bothers me is Nick's comment about having him run 20 times. So they clearly aren't going to make him become more of a passer. It's a waste of the weapons they have on offense

He'll win some games using his legs. We'll see how many. I don't want that as the future of the team though

8 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

He led the Eagles to 38 points.  True that the defense scored 7.

But it's crazy,  when you look at the stats. it says that the Eagles scored 38 points,  and that's the official stat for the offense.  

Those stats aren't carved the way you think they are.

Hurts led the Eagles,  the Eagles scored 38.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022.htm

The Eagles have the 2nd best offense when it comes to points and the 3rd best offense when it comes to points. 1st in carries,  3rd in rushing yards, 1st in rushing TDs,   The function of the QB is to lead the team to points and wins.  Teams typically use a mixture of passes and runs. 

 

Hurts got the team 7 points without even being in the play? Crown his ass

8 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

He led the Eagles to 38 points.  True that the defense scored 7.

But it's crazy,  when you look at the stats. it says that the Eagles scored 38 points,  and that's the official stat for the offense.  

Those stats aren't carved the way you think they are.

Hurts led the Eagles,  the Eagles scored 38.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022.htm

The Eagles have the 2nd best offense when it comes to points and the 3rd best offense when it comes to points. 1st in carries,  3rd in rushing yards, 1st in rushing TDs,   The function of the QB is to lead the team to points and wins.  Teams typically use a mixture of passes and runs. 

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Didn't see his fantasy world rant? Makes sense there

30 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

So you don't live in the world where Fantasy Football exists and is very popular?

You don't live on planet earth?

Great!

You would rather criticize Hurts for leading the Eagles to 38 points and 4 rushing TDs as if a passing TD was worth more than a rushing TD.

6 points is 6 points.  But I guess you don't know that.


 

44 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

I know you'd love to be able to use logic and rationality to actually win an argument,  but this is the best you can do.

There is no reason why fantasy points can't be as good a proxy for quality as any other stat out there.

In most leagues, a passing TD is worth fewer points for a QB than a rushing TD.

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In most leagues, a passing TD is worth fewer points for a QB than a rushing TD.

 

Yeah, I have a work league like that. QB's get 4 points for TDs but the WR gets 6 for the TD. That would make Jalen pretty valuable in that league if he's running for a ton of TDs lol

19 minutes ago, Random Reglar said:

He led the Eagles to 38 points.  True that the defense scored 7.

But it's crazy,  when you look at the stats. it says that the Eagles scored 38 points,  and that's the official stat for the offense.  

Those stats aren't carved the way you think they are.

Hurts led the Eagles,  the Eagles scored 38.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2022.htm

The Eagles have the 2nd best offense when it comes to points and the 3rd best offense when it comes to points. 1st in carries,  3rd in rushing yards, 1st in rushing TDs,   The function of the QB is to lead the team to points and wins.  Teams typically use a mixture of passes and runs. 

 

Maybe slow down there chief and proof read yourself before submitting a reply. 
 

Oh, and Hurts led us to 31 points. Not 38. 

If a stat line is giving Hurts the defensive TD then that stat line likely shouldn't be used...

20 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Maybe slow down there chief and proof read yourself before submitting a reply. 
 

Oh, and Hurts led us to 31 points. Not 38. 

Technically, Jared Goff threw the pass that Bradberry scored on, so he accounted for 42 points in that game.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Technically, Jared Goff threw the pass that Bradberry scored on, so he accounted for 42 points in that game.

But none of the PATs.   This is getting complicated.

Goff getting 35 points says a lot about our defense, and Jalen managing 31 on the road is nothing to sneeze at.  QB's last year were having record bests against us, and I fear this season will be no different.  I'm somewhat dreading what Kirk Cousins may do to us.