Writers making excuses for Hurts cracks me up. If the guy was simply doing what an NFL QB does- none of these excuses would be needed. But NOOOooooooo. 🤣

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-jalen-hurts-stats-eagles-lions-week-1-nfl

42 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

 

I agree. We don’t deserve Hurts. We deserve better. And FTR, I’m not all that big on Murray either. I would say give me Burrow, but that would get me labeled racist from a certain contingent around here, (not you, Hunt). Give me Mahomes any day. Give me Wilson 8 years ago. 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

See list above 

So Lamar, Murray and Jimmy G are the only previous starters that are not rookies and have not thrown for 4000 yards, interesting.

What is interesting about Jimmy G, his highest passing yardage season, 3978 yards, he went to the Super Bowl.

His second highest passing yardage season, 3810 yards, he went to the NFCCG.

Maybe it is just coincidence, but I think not.

3 hours ago, CouchKing said:

Metrics and calculations must be reevaluated frequently / periodically for merit and effectiveness.

The law of unintended consequences kicks in.

Careful making decisions based on metrics that have not been proven rock solid.

In this case, you must eyeball your answer. Does it make sense.

"Look. Jalen Hurts has a 56% completion rate and he's a top passer."

"Hmmm? Really? What's wrong with this calculation?", I would ask.

Look I support Jalen, but some things are just ridiculous. Claiming Jalen was better than Mahomes last week is a sick joke.

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Look I support Jalen, but some things are just ridiculous. Claiming Jalen was better than Mahomes last week is a sick joke.

Or better than Allen last week.  Jalen Hurts adjusted completion percentage was still lower than Allen's actual completion percentage.

4 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

 

There is no 'hate'.  There is realization of what he is and what he isn't.  Once again, the 'total yards' argument comes up, and the 'total TDs'.   
 

Should we put up the playoff stats numbers for Burrow vs. Hurts?  

 

 

I'll add... Cardinals fans that I know aren't overly thrilled with Murray either.

5 hours ago, mr_hunt said:

 

I agree, Eagles' fans do not deserve Hurts. Perhaps the FO will rectify this and trade straight up for the inferior Burrow.  Because that sure as hell would show those ingrates.

 

 

9 hours ago, downundermike said:

This is pretty rich coming from the "a running TD counts the same as a passing TD” crowd.

On the first part, all I'm saying is that we chose to run and Reid chose to pass (shocking) from the same distance to the end zone. It doesn't matter how you score as long as you score.  On the second part, I'm just saying that PFF doesn't grade shovel passes or screen passes. 

Once again, PFF only grades what the QB does regardless of the outcome. The following is a terrific play and play call in the situation. Please explain to me how it is a terrific pass when compared to the kind of throws you claim that only QBs with the most talented arms can make:

 

7 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Here's what I think is an interesting question. What NFL QB who has never yet thrown for 4,000 yards in season would you rather have than Jalen Hurts?

For how long? Lol

Can we still draft the future in 2023?

7 hours ago, Talonblood said:

Writers making excuses for Hurts cracks me up. If the guy was simply doing what an NFL QB does- none of these excuses would be needed. But NOOOooooooo. 🤣

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-jalen-hurts-stats-eagles-lions-week-1-nfl

I think it's the other way around. Writers shouldn't even have to write stuff like that after a game like Hurts had. Hurts' job is to lead the offense. The offense did its job Sunday, largely because of Hurts. 

If Jalen didn’t scramble early and often, that game was a loss.

How does he get better and defeat the blitz with hot routes? 

12 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

On the first part, all I'm saying is that we chose to run and Reid chose to pass (shocking) from the same distance to the end zone. It doesn't matter how you score as long as you score.  On the second part, I'm just saying that PFF doesn't grade shovel passes or screen passes. 

Once again, PFF only grades what the QB does regardless of the outcome. The following is a terrific play and play call in the situation. Please explain to me how it is a terrific pass when compared to the kind of throws you claim that only QBs with the most talented arms can make:

These two statements are a contradiction of each other.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

These two statements are a contradiction of each other.

"There are many throws which fall into the "expected” category, and they will fall into the 0-graded category. Screen passes are a good example of this as we expect NFL quarterbacks to throw these passes with timing and accuracy. As always, the result of the play does not change the grade for the quarterback, whether the pass is taken for a touchdown."

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-quarterback-play

35 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

"There are many throws which fall into the "expected” category, and they will fall into the 0-graded category. Screen passes are a good example of this as we expect NFL quarterbacks to throw these passes with timing and accuracy. As always, the result of the play does not change the grade for the quarterback, whether the pass is taken for a touchdown."

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-how-pff-grades-quarterback-play

That's ridiculous because there is an execution and a sell necessary from the quarterback that not every QB can do smh take Hurts play action fake compared to Minshew. I've seen Hurts put the ball out with literally nobody behind him just last game and Minshew make the camera man chase the RB. It's stupid to ignore that 

6 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

That's ridiculous because there is an execution and a sell necessary from the quarterback that not every QB can do smh take Hurts play action fake compared to Minshew. I've seen Hurts put the ball out with literally nobody behind him just last game and Minshew make the camera man chase the RB. It's stupid to ignore that 

Contact PFF if you think you have a better system that people will embrace. I'm not sure why you're telling me this. PFF simply rated Hurts' throws slightly higher than Mahomes'. If nothing else, I'm enjoying watching some of you guys freak out about it. 

lol @ the outrage

39 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Contact PFF if you think you have a better system that people will embrace. I'm not sure why you're telling me this. PFF simply rated Hurts' throws slightly higher than Mahomes'. If nothing else, I'm enjoying watching some of you guys freak out about it. 

lol @ the outrage

Who do you think had a better game between Mahomes and Hurts??

Just now, Shalodeep said:

Who do you think had a better game between Mahomes and Hurts??

In Fantasy Football, clearly Mahomes. In passing TDs, Mahomes. In  passing yards, Mahomes. But as for the importance to their teams' wins, I think both players were pretty close. So "better game" is objective. If you're asking who had the better QB rating, it was Mahomes. Even Murray had a better QB rating. So who had the better game, Murray or Hurts?

5 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

In Fantasy Football, clearly Mahomes. In passing TDs, Mahomes. In  passing yards, Mahomes. But as for the importance to their teams' wins, I think both players were pretty close. So "better game" is objective. If you're asking who had the better QB rating, it was Mahomes. Even Murray had a better QB rating. So who had the better game, Murray or Hurts?

Last week I would of taken Hurts over Murray no doubt. Hurts bailed that line out and had some heartbreaking first downs

11 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Last week I would of taken Hurts over Murray no doubt. Hurts bailed that line out and had some heartbreaking first downs

I think week 1 is always good for overreactions. Some teams overperform, some underperform. Some team's are judged on the previous year. It takes about a month to get an idea of what to expect for the rest of the year. Both Mahomes and Hurts did everything they were asked to do in the season openers. 

The ongoing Hurts debate will always come down to individual fans' QB style preference. The fans that aren't comfortable with Hurts' style will need to see him win a Super Bowl probably before their minds might change. We've had a lot of different QB styles in my lifetime and I'm willing to give Hurts' style a chance. It seems doubtful, IMO, that Hurts will ever try to become a textbook pocket passer like McNabb tried to become, but as long as the offense is designed around what Hurts does well, (unlike fitting McNabb into the WCO) it will be interesting to see what kind of success he'll have in his NFL career.

2 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

The ongoing Hurts debate will always come down to individual fans' QB style preference.

There are successful popular QBs like Josh Allen who ran a lot early in their career and didn't have great completion percentages.  Now people here are probably getting upset and ready to say Allen has a better arm and was a better prospect etc.  That's true but then it doesn't come to style.  It just comes down to whether the overall QB is good enough or can grow to be good enough. And it's definitely fine to think Hurts will not be. Just wish people would stop there but many don't.

4 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

The real question is, why does the coaching staff feel that they can't install hot routes into an office lead by Hurts at QB?  

I don't know. Waiting for that big popping sound . . . when they pull their heads outta their arses.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wrong answer.  Wanna try again?

when Jalen pulls his heads outta his arse. ?

The good:

The not so good:

The optimism:

 

I think obviously guys who can run naturally won't work on staying the pocket and making a throw during a blitz as much as stationary guys. But most of the stationary guys take bad sacks or throw picks.  It's really tough to learn how to handle the blitz perfectly no matter which skill set you are starting with.