11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

If Hurts wasn’t in this game it probably looks more like the McNabb vs Giants 11 sack game than the five score offensive game it was. The offensive line was literally giving the Lions free shots at their quarterback. Minshew would have been killed behind that line play. Hopefully they clean some of that stuff up this week, because last week was brutal for the pass blocking. 

On 9/15/2022 at 7:07 PM, brkmsn said:

If nothing else, I'm enjoying watching some of you guys freak out about it. 

lol @ the outrage

I for one am not freaking out over PFF, but I do find it hilarious that people would pay these guys the money they’re asking just to tell them the football that they’re watching isn’t real football. For the record don’t think for a moment PFF doesn’t know what they’re doing by making these controversial types of views. It gets people talking about them and subscribing to them. It’s like how Howard Stern said the people who listened to him most were the people who hated him most and wanted off the air. Sorry I’m not falling for the PFF traps. Hope your money is well spent and you feel more enlightened for it. As for me I’ll pass. 

51 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I for one am not freaking out over PFF, but I do find it hilarious that people would pay these guys the money they’re asking just to tell them the football that they’re watching isn’t real football. For the record don’t think for a moment PFF doesn’t know what they’re doing by making these controversial types of views. It gets people talking about them and subscribing to them. It’s like how Howard Stern said the people who listened to him most were the people who hated him most and wanted off the air. Sorry I’m not falling for the PFF traps. Hope your money is well spent and you feel more enlightened for it. As for me I’ll pass. 

Well, PFF is one of the only places where they have devised a way to grade individual performances at every position including those that don't have traditional stats. As for paying them, most fans do not. The information is readily available through social media and much of it can be searched on their site for free. I don't pay for their service nor do I even know how much they charge. I'm sure someone like Tommy Lawyer might consider paying for the service since he writes about the team and the information is useful. But I suppose we disagree on how relevant their product is. IMO, the sheer use of it nationwide by everybody in the business, proves it's relevance. Have they devised the best system possible to evaluate players? Probably not, but it probably is the best system to date to do what it does. Improvement is something that should happen going forward. Technology is giving us more tools than ever before and it is allowing statistics to get more advanced. 

7 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Well, PFF is one of the only places where they have devised a way to grade individual performances at every position including those that don't have traditional stats. As for paying them, most fans do not. The information is readily available through social media and much of it can be searched on their site for free. I don't pay for their service nor do I even know how much they charge. I'm sure someone like Tommy Lawyer might consider paying for the service since he writes about the team and the information is useful. But I suppose we disagree on how relevant their product is. IMO, the sheer use of it nationwide by everybody in the business, proves it's relevance. Have they devised the best system possible to evaluate players? Probably not, but it probably is the best system to date to do what it does. Improvement is something that should happen going forward. Technology is giving us more tools than ever before and it is allowing statistics to get more advanced. 

PFF is retarded

14 hours ago, brkmsn said:

 

But I was told by the QB experts on this board that Hurts hasn't improved. Apparently they know way more than this Jaworski guy about qb play.

2 hours ago, jsb235 said:

But I was told by the QB experts on this board that Hurts hasn't improved. Apparently they know way more than this Jaworski guy about qb play.

Thing is... And I'm not saying that Hurts hasn't improved... But Jaws references one play where Jalen has really really good mechanics. Now I'm pretty sure I could video myself throwing the ball 100 times and at least once I'd show really good mechanics. So I'm not sure one play really is the way to show he's improved?

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Thing is... And I'm not saying that Hurts hasn't improved... But Jaws references one play where Jalen has really really good mechanics. Now I'm pretty sure I could video myself throwing the ball 100 times and at least once I'd show really good mechanics. So I'm not sure one play really is the way to show he's improved?

He used one play as a reference because one thing Jaws said before the game that was problematic for Hurts last season was the deep pass, not because of his arm, but because of his mechanics. 

"Where Jalen gets in trouble is when his mechanics break down,” he said. "He worked on it in the offseason. I’m sure his coaches coached him up on it. His deep ball has a tendency to lose energy down the field because his mechanics were off. He wasn’t driving his hips; he wasn’t throwing off his back leg.

"Consequently, the energy wasn’t there. That’s where he got himself in trouble. That’s not due to a lack of arm strength. It’s a matter of mechanics. I’m not as concerned as some people are about that.”

That is why he wanted to highlight the difference in mechanics (from last year to this year) using that play. It wasn't like he sorted through 32 passes to find one he could use. 

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Well, PFF is one of the only places where they have devised a way to grade individual performances at every position including those that don't have traditional stats. As for paying them, most fans do not. The information is readily available through social media and much of it can be searched on their site for free. I don't pay for their service nor do I even know how much they charge. I'm sure someone like Tommy Lawyer might consider paying for the service since he writes about the team and the information is useful. But I suppose we disagree on how relevant their product is. IMO, the sheer use of it nationwide by everybody in the business, proves it's relevance. Have they devised the best system possible to evaluate players? Probably not, but it probably is the best system to date to do what it does. Improvement is something that should happen going forward. Technology is giving us more tools than ever before and it is allowing statistics to get more advanced. 

There are plenty of different sites and stats used by many that proves any point someone is trying to make. Personally I believe PFF is the least of these products. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

There are plenty of different sites and stats used by many that proves any point someone is trying to make. Personally I believe PFF is the least of these products. 

What sites are rating offensive tackles, guards, or centers? Or TE blocking? Or defensive players in coverage?

The stat I’m interested in is how many points does the O put up against good teams in non-garbage time?  That’s likely to be the most telling. If he leaves the pocket early a few times en route to 30+ it doesn’t bother me. Conversely if he never leaves the pocket and scores 10 that does. 

5 hours ago, brkmsn said:

That is why he wanted to highlight the difference in mechanics (from last year to this year) using that play. It wasn't like he sorted through 32 passes to find one he could use. 

No OK and I can appreciate that. But I'm sure if you go back and look at other deep passes from Jalen you can find ones with good technique. Sometimes he's going to throw with good technique because I'm sure most professionals do at times. 

10 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No OK and I can appreciate that. But I'm sure if you go back and look at other deep passes from Jalen you can find ones with good technique. Sometimes he's going to throw with good technique because I'm sure most professionals do at times. 

I believe what Jaws is saying is that the work Hurts put in this offseason on working on his foot mechanics is showing, first in practice and training camp, and now on the field in games. Before, he would rely more on his arm regardless of his base and that had an adverse effect on the deep throws at times. 

Six sacks by the Lions against the Commanders and the great one. Hmmmm. 

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

What sites are rating offensive tackles, guards, or centers? Or TE blocking? Or defensive players in coverage?

Just because they’re rating them it doesn’t mean they are doing it well. There were plenty of seasons where PFF rated an offensive line as being the best and got it completely wrong. Just because everyone follows a blind man into a ditch doesn’t mean it was the best thing to do.

13 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Just because they’re rating them it doesn’t mean they are doing it well. There were plenty of seasons where PFF rated an offensive line as being the best and got it completely wrong. Just because everyone follows a blind man into a ditch doesn’t mean it was the best thing to do.

Care to list those seasons / players or are you just making that up so it sounds like you're making a convincing argument?

 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Six sacks by the Lions against the Commanders and the great one. Hmmmm. 

I recall this week someone asking, after our game versus Detroit, "what if Wentz were back there facing all those blitzes rather than Jalen Hurts".

There's your answer.

1 hour ago, brkmsn said:

Care to list those seasons / players or are you just making that up so it sounds like you're making a convincing argument?

 

There was a least one year they listed the Titans as the best line and it wasn’t. I believe it was 2020 when they listed the Eagles as the best line and they weren’t. How many times did they say Brandon Graham was one of the best if not the best pass rusher in the NFL for years despite the fact he was never paid like the best, rarely made the pro bowl, was never considered in the top ten of the top 100 by his peers, never led the league in sacks, has never once hit double digit sacks his entire career? Like I wrote you can swear by them if you want to, but that place isn’t for me. For someone who claims that they don’t pay for the product you sure seem to be going out of your way to defend it. 

22 minutes ago, CouchKing said:

I recall this week someone asking, after our game versus Detroit, "what if Wentz were back there facing all those blitzes rather than Jalen Hurts".

There's your answer.

This game showed that maybe those plucky Detroit Lions aren’t as bad as we assumed, and clearly their pass rush is real. When you consider that then maybe people should realize Hurts played pretty darn well. I know that’s just too far of a stretch for those who will choose to hate him regardless.

Nearly three quarters of football and the great Russell Wilson has 6 points against the Texans. 

1 hour ago, CouchKing said:

I recall this week someone asking, after our game versus Detroit, "what if Wentz were back there facing all those blitzes rather than Jalen Hurts".

There's your answer.

Wentz had an overall solid game. Once Hutchinson had the leg issues he pretty much had all day to pass, which is what helped the commanders make it a game. They still lost though.

25 minutes ago, MF POON said:

Wentz had an overall solid game. Once Hutchinson had the leg issues he pretty much had all day to pass, which is what helped the commanders make it a game. They still lost though.

Felt like the typical Dr. Jekyll/Carson Wentz type game. Costly and untimely plays that put his team in a hole, but put up a lot of numbers that makes people blame everyone but him for the loss. Frankly I’m glad it’s someone else’s problem but I can already see and hear the DC media saying Wentz isn’t the blame for this loss. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

There was a least one year they listed the Titans as the best line and it wasn’t. 

A little too vague.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

 I believe it was 2020 when they listed the Eagles as the best line and they weren’t. 

2019, not 2020 and that's your opinion. A lot of people ranked our starters as the best group that season. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

How many times did they say Brandon Graham was one of the best if not the best pass rusher in the NFL for years despite the fact he was never paid like the best, rarely made the pro bowl, was never considered in the top ten of the top 100 by his peers, never led the league in sacks, has never once hit double digit sacks his entire career?

Here's the piece they published:

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-why-eagles-de-brandon-graham-is-underrated

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

 For someone who claims that they don’t pay for the product you sure seem to be going out of your way to defend it. 

Have a good conspiracy theory to share, do you?

3 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

A little too vague.

2019, not 2020 and that's your opinion. A lot of people ranked our starters as the best group that season. 

Here's the piece they published:

https://www.pff.com/news/pro-why-eagles-de-brandon-graham-is-underrated

Have a good conspiracy theory to share, do you?

Everything related to PFF is their opinion. If you want to worship at the opinions of PFF knock yourself out.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Everything related to PFF is their opinion. 

Not true. Their ratings are based on their metrics. Predictions are opinions and you clearly have an opinion about their metrics, but they use those metrics the same for each player when grading a performance.

Just now, brkmsn said:

Not true. Their ratings are based on their metrics. Predictions are opinions and you clearly have an opinion about their metrics, but they use those metrics the same for each player when grading a performance.

Their metrics is based on their parameters. In other words their opinions.