2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What ?? Tua is 2nd in QBR and Cooper Rush is 4th.  Are you telling me they are not really the 2nd and 4th best QB's in the NFL ??

Hate to say it buddy, but no. Its a long long season....would take Tua healthy though @_@

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Takes more than 4 good games...but hey 4 games is enough to crown him when 20 was too quick to say he sucks lol

No one is crowning him. I am saying that everything you were 100 percent sure would never happen has actually happened. You don't get to reframe the positions in a way that makes you come across as less stupid by claiming others were "guessing." We had reasonable opinions about Hurts, while you and others were camped at the top of Mt. Stupidity. 

2 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

No one is crowning him. I am saying that everything you were 100 percent sure would never happen has actually happened. You don't get to reframe the positions in a way that makes you come across as less stupid by claiming others were "guessing." We had reasonable opinions about Hurts, while you and others were camped at the top of Mt. Stupidity. 

Wasn't stupid. I had plenty of tape that says he wasn't good. How do you think Arizona felt at the end of last September about Murray? How do they feel now after paying him? 4 games isn't ish. He is on a hot streak. He has shown a higher ceiling than I thought, but he isn't as insane as you guys think he is right now either.... I think he could be replaced by many QBs and we would still be 4-0. I give him credit and you guys don't wanna take it lol it's actually kinda cute at this point. It's like a child who clinches their toy and says mine 

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Wasn't stupid. I had plenty of tape that says he wasn't good.

Doesn't matter if you don't know what you are looking at, which you don't.

How do you think Arizona felt at the end of last September about Murray?

They gave him a massive deal after the season, so I don't know what point you are trying to make.

How do they feel now after paying him?

Probably better than the Broncos do.

4 games isn't ish. He is on a hot streak. He has shown a higher ceiling than I thought, but he isn't as insane as you guys think he is right now either....

I think he has played well. What is insane about that? Especially since people who evaluate qb play for a living said that this was a likely outcome.

I think he could be replaced by many QBs and we would still be 4-0.

A qb like Lawrence? Or Cousins? Or Wentz? Or Goff? Which one outplayed him this year?

I give him credit and you guys don't wanna take it

I really don't care if you give him credit or not. Your opinion has proven to be irrelevant. I just don't like it when you try to rewrite history.

lol it's actually kinda cute at this point. It's like a child who clinches their toy and says mine 

Nope. No one is keeping you from enjoying your toy. We just want to make sure you remember that you spent an entire year posting daily how the toy sucks and would never be fun to play with. So when you decide to start posting revisionist history about the toy, you will get reminded of what your position about the toy actually was.

 

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58 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

As all who questioned his ability to grow into an above average passer said they would love to be proved wrong lol you are an idiot who has created this weird narrative that it's us vs them when the reality it's those who guessed he'd play well vs those who seen very little of that on tape. This good guy vs bad guy stuff you spew is pretty childish 

Wrong some more… just a couple posts ago, you admitted to being in a group trolling on about Carson Strong… but "I’m” taking an us vs them stance?

I’m still not 100% sold on Hurts being a franchise level QB that I want the Eagles to make a huge investment in.

You carried on and on for months and months about how Hurts couldn’t get past his first read without running from the pocket. He couldn’t throw deep, his arm is too weak, he could only throw to the right side of the field, he couldn’t read a defense and then claimed (because you’re a narcissist) that your expert opinion and extensive knowledge that he would never be able to progress to a point that he could ever do those things. 
 

Turns out, you don’t know what the flip you’re talking about.

3 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Wrong some more… just a couple posts ago, you admitted to being in a group trolling on about Carson Strong… but "I’m” taking an us vs them stance?

I’m still not 100% sold on Hurts being a franchise level QB that I want the Eagles to make a huge investment in.

You carried on and on for months and months about how Hurts couldn’t get past his first read without running from the pocket. He couldn’t throw deep, his arm is too weak, he could only throw to the right side of the field, he couldn’t read a defense and then claimed (because you’re a narcissist) that your expert opinion and extensive knowledge that he would never be able to progress to a point that he could ever do those things. 
 

Turns out, you don’t know what the flip you’re talking about.

I never really spoke much about him having a weak arm. I said he timed deep balls awful....which he did

He favored the right side. It's on film. Glad he has corrected when EVERYTHING is going well. Old habits usually come while under stress. Again, long season.

It was an NFL defensive coach who said he couldn't read a defense...so why blame me?

I still don't believe he is going through a lot of progressions, but enough to do it the way Lamar does it. Last year the wide receivers were schemed open all the time. This year Jalen is at least keeping his head up while moving around. That in itself is progress.

And you say my opinion doesn't matter and then give your opinion that you aren't 100% sold on him lol can sit next to me in narcissistic anonymous brother *pats chair*

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Shalodeep said:

I never really spoke much about him having a weak arm. I said he timed deep balls awful....which he did

He favored the right side. It's on film. Glad he has corrected when EVERYTHING is going well. Old habits usually come while under stress. Again, long season.

It was an NFL defensive coach who said he couldn't read a defense...so why blame me?

I still don't believe he is going through a lot of progressions, but enough to do it the way Lamar does it. Last year the wide receivers were schemed open all the time. This year Jalen is at least keeping his head up while moving around. That in itself is progress.

And you say my opinion doesn't matter and then give your opinion that you aren't 100% sold on him lol can sit next to me in narcissistic anonymous brother *pats chair*

 

 

First off, I didn’t say your opinion didn’t matter, I said it was wrong. 

I gave my opinion because you were babbling nonsense about us vs them, good vs evil as if there are only two opinions to choose from, which you are also wrong about.

There are a lot of fans that weren’t sure about Hurts, but wanted to give him another season to prove it. I didn’t want to spend the cap money or the draft resources to go after another QB. The extra players that were added, by not doing so, have taken this team to a new level. Hurts progression has taken the team to another level above that. I think the MVP and franchise talk is still way premature, it’s a long season.

You did not want to give him another season. You convinced yourself, and desperately tried to convince others, that Hurts was done improving and would never be a successful qb in the NFL.

You were wrong, eat the crow.

For those freaking out about Hurts having paintings of himself, feel free to investigate the background.

It does look like Caleb Brown added Jalen's 'Bama dreads after initially giving him the painting. Cool stuff. 

Don't let this stop anybody from finding things to complain about, though. Carry on... 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

For those freaking out about Hurts having paintings of himself, feel free to investigate the background.

It does look like Caleb Brown added Jalen's 'Bama dreads after initially giving him the painting. Cool stuff. 

Don't let this stop anybody from finding things to complain about, though. Carry on... 

He's so vain. What a bad leader... how can we get behind this guy...

The eagles will lose at some point this season, probably end up 11-6 or 12-5 is my guess.

If Hurts has poor games during those losses then the knives will come out again. 

 

When you are the last undefeated team.  People are looking and waiting for the moment you slip up.   13 more games.   Nobody thought going into the season they would have The Perfect Season (Even though it is the 50th Anniversary of the 72 Dolphins).   And the Eagles haven't been perfect in this 4-0 start  Mistakes have already happened.   But right now they are Perfect in terms of their record.  And they are winning in so many different ways.  Until someone knocks them off.  I think they have the talent to win every game.  But it's a long season and slip ups do happen.  Jalen will make mistakes in the future.  The question is how he bounces back and if they still pull the game out.   5-0 isn't going to be easy. 

The Eagles haven't won in Arizona in 21 years (Ironically the Super Bowl is also in Arizona this year).  But I think they match up well against this Arizona team.    Jalen's 2nd Start was against Arizona which he did play well.  But they didn't play well defensively that game.   So let's see if they can keep this train moving.   After the first month of the season.  The Birds have really made some waves.  I laugh because though the team is getting really glowing coverage in the media.  They too are just waiting for Jalen and the team to slip up.   Also Jalen was right to get on the media.   The Manningcast is about players loosening up and having fun talking about the football. I think the Hoodie was Jalen just having fun.   He even called Eli "Chad" a few times, lol.  But to spend multiple questions on it, it wasn't that serious.   

30 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

When you are the last undefeated team.  People are looking and waiting for the moment you slip up.   13 more games.   Nobody thought going into the season they would have The Perfect Season (Even though it is the 50th Anniversary of the 72 Dolphins).   And the Eagles haven't been perfect in this 4-0 start  Mistakes have already happened.   But right now they are Perfect in terms of their record.  And they are winning in so many different ways.  Until someone knocks them off.  I think they have the talent to win every game.  But it's a long season and slip ups do happen.  Jalen will make mistakes in the future.  The question is how he bounces back and if they still pull the game out.   5-0 isn't going to be easy. 

The Eagles haven't won in Arizona in 21 years (Ironically the Super Bowl is also in Arizona this year).  But I think they match up well against this Arizona team.    Jalen's 2nd Start was against Arizona which he did play well.  But they didn't play well defensively that game.   So let's see if they can keep this train moving.   After the first month of the season.  The Birds have really made some waves.  I laugh because though the team is getting really glowing coverage in the media.  They too are just waiting for Jalen and the team to slip up.   Also Jalen was right to get on the media.   The Manningcast is about players loosening up and having fun talking about the football. I think the Hoodie was Jalen just having fun.   He even called Eli "Chad" a few times, lol.  But to spend multiple questions on it, it wasn't that serious.   

We have won every game we have played... 

Just remember people. This could have been us the last three years instead of one. 😂

"2. Philadelphia Eagles. No offense in the league is more well-rounded than the Eagles’ attack. Not only can they run the ball exceptionally well, but Jalen Hurts has developed enough as a passer to beat teams through the air. Hurts is currently the fourth-highest-graded quarterback in the NFL (80.0), and no quarterback in the league has a higher passing grade (85.7) than him. It also doesn’t hurt that the Eagles lead the NFL in yards after the catch (639). A.J. Brown is one of the most dynamic receivers in the league with the ball in his hands. While the Eagles struggle some after halftime putting points up on the board, you can make a strong case for them having the best offense in the league — headlined by the top offensive line — through four weeks due to their incredible balance.”

https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2022/10/6/23390616/eagles-news-jalen-hurts-pff-highest-graded-passer-pro-football-focus-stats-philadelphia-quarterback
 

Let the PFF debates begin. 

This is an interesting paragraph from the latest qb rankings on the PFN.

NFL QB Rankings Week 5: Jalen Hurts Enters Elite Conversation, Geno Smith Rises (profootballnetwork.com)

"More than his aggregate time to throw — which improved from slowest in the league at 3.39 seconds on average to a long, but not excruciating 2.97 seconds, 20th in the league — is the percentage of throws he’s gotten rid of the ball quickly. That has moved up to about half of his dropbacks this year, an improvement over only seeing a third of them come out quickly when he was a rookie two years ago."

 

This I liked a bit. Not sure if anyone else posted this. 

15 hours ago, rrfierce said:

The eagles will lose at some point this season, probably end up 11-6 or 12-5 is my guess.

If Hurts has poor games during those losses then the knives will come out again. 

 

If can't imagine we lose almost half our remaining games against our powderpuff schedule, obviously barring certain injuries. At this point I'll be shocked if we end worse than 13-4.

9 points from the great Russell Wilson tonight. I think it’s safe to say everyone who wanted the Eagles to get this guy was wrong, but I doubt those people will admit that though. 

3 hours ago, bitbased said:

If can't imagine we lose almost half our remaining games against our powderpuff schedule, obviously barring certain injuries. At this point I'll be shocked if we end worse than 13-4.

Yeah there’s no way we lose 6 games barring major injuries.  Much more likely to only lose 3.

Tonight’s game really hits home how important Sirianni is to Hurts’s development.

Denver runs a scheme they ask their QB to conform to. Sirianni ran a very different offense in Indy than what he brought to Philly. Instead of asking the player to shave of the corners of their square peg to fit in the offense’s round hole, Nick made the hole square. This has worked before in Baltimore, Seattle, Kansas City… there is precedent: fit the talent you have instead of rebranding it.

It’s absolutely baffling what’s happening in Denver, and it makes one glad that Sirianni isn’t a total buffoon in that regard.

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

9 points from the great Russell Wilson tonight. I think it’s safe to say everyone who wanted the Eagles to get this guy was wrong, but I doubt those people will admit that though. 

And was sacked 4 more times lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣.  He's on pace to get sacked more then he ever has 

7 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

9 points from the great Russell Wilson tonight. I think it’s safe to say everyone who wanted the Eagles to get this guy was wrong, but I doubt those people will admit that though. 

 

8 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Tonight’s game really hits home how important Sirianni is to Hurts’s development.

Denver runs a scheme they ask their QB to conform to. Sirianni ran a very different offense in Indy than what he brought to Philly. Instead of asking the player to shave of the corners of his square peg to fit in the offense’s round hole, Nick made the hole square. This has worked before in Baltimore, Seattle, Kansas City… there is precedent: fit the talent you have instead of rebranding it.

It’s absolutely baffling what’s happening in Denver, and it makes one glad that Sirianni isn’t a total buffoon in that regard.

Lost in all of this is how well Sirianni has managed everything.   He turned the offense over to Steichen last year when it became obvious that he wasn't doing a very good job and he allowed Steichen to change things up dramatically.  Sirianni could have gotten stubborn and held on to the play calling.  But instead, he seemed to be confident enough to delegate.  He also could have taken back play calling this year with a fresh start, but instead, he's still leaving it to Steichen.  

 

And I don't think enough can be said about what Steichen is doing.  He's done very good things (granted, with far more talent at the skill positions this year than in years past, at least at the receiver position).  But he's not forcing things and he's using some great schemes.  Some of the wide open receivers we've seen have been due to excellent route running, but most of the time, its been due to some very creative schemes to create that massive opening for a player to catch and run.  

On the flip side... Gannon seems to have grown greatly in the past year with the improved personnel.  

Not all of this growth can be attributed to the weakness of the schedule, though it could be argued that some is.  But, if this team manages to win 13+ games... its very possible that the Eagles will lose both coordinators in the offseason.