2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

That’s only an argument for spinning context though, because the rushing TDs don’t count for less. Really, offensive production as a whole should be how we justify a QB’s play. So many other factors impact that too, yes, but His RPO opens the run lanes for Miles, his scrambling for TDs are worth that of the short passes to TEs. Is Aaron Rodgers having a down game because his OC calls a run play on 2nd and goal at the 1 3-4 times in the game? 
 

It’s a complicated argument to make either way, but we know Jalen’s worth isn’t simply passing yards and passing TDs. 

And that's where the longevity conversation comes in. Running yards and touchdowns is how you chip at a career quickly.  If we were not getting the turnovers and everything was going perfectly, he would be asked to be a passer and that's where the next step will be. For what we are right now, he may be the best fit in the league. Doesn't make him an outstanding QB, but he is for us as we are built this year. I'm expecting lots of losses in the defense next year plus a new coordinator if we keep playing the way we are. 

1 minute ago, Shalodeep said:

And that's where the longevity conversation comes in. Running yards and touchdowns is how you chip at a career quickly.  If we were not getting the turnovers and everything was going perfectly, he would be asked to be a passer and that's where the next step will be. For what we are right now, he may be the best fit in the league. Doesn't make him an outstanding QB, but he is for us as we are built this year. I'm expecting lots of losses in the defense next year plus a new coordinator if we keep playing the way we are. 

He’ll probably have the lifespan of a RB, not unlike Vick. That’s if he doesn’t continue to develop and slowly change his game like… hmm…. Sorta like Vick? Probably the cliche comparison but he’s a unique guy in a unique situation.

4 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

He’ll probably have the lifespan of a RB, not unlike Vick. That’s if he doesn’t continue to develop and slowly change his game like… hmm…. Sorta like Vick? Probably the cliche comparison but he’s a unique guy in a unique situation.

Definitely a unique player  with a unique skill set. Doesn't have all the physical tools of Vick, but I would consider his football IQ high end compared to Vicks.....lackluster study habits. I compare him more to cam Newton with his running style.

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Definitely a unique player  with a unique skill set. Doesn't have all the physical tools of Vick, but I would consider his football IQ high end compared to Vicks.....lackluster study habits. I compare him more to cam Newton with his running style.

Yeah what I think makes him genuinely unique to every other attempted comp: Slash Stewart, Vick, Lamar, Kyler, et al, is I don’t get the feeling any of those other guys really think their passing ability is inadequate. They always seem so complacent or even outright impressed with themselves. Vick openly admitted he didn’t give a rats ass about watching tape at Atlanta. Kyler Murray’s goofy clause was not nothing; he is a known video game addict. Kordell got worse as his career progressed.

I do genuinely get the impression Jalen is not content with his development up to this point. Whether or not that actually results in change is another thing, but the first step is admitting you have a problem. And if there is a guy who does overcome the stigma of run first QBs, he’s as good a bet as any.

5 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yeah what I think makes him genuinely unique to every other attempted comp: Slash Stewart, Vick, Lamar, Kyler, et al, is I don’t get the feeling any of those other guys really think their passing ability is inadequate. They always seem so complacent or even outright impressed with themselves. Vick openly admitted he didn’t give a rats ass about watching tape at Atlanta. Kyler Murray’s goofy clause was not nothing; he is a known video game addict. Kordell got worse as his career progressed.

I do genuinely get the impression Jalen is not content with his development up to this point. Whether or not that actually results in change is another thing, but the first step is admitting you have a problem. And if there is a guy who does overcome the stigma of run first QBs, he’s as good a bet as any.

I agree he seems to care more than most. only other one I can think of that went out of his way was McNabb. He stuck around for quite a bit and had success. I just want to see one more read before the take off. Won't happen this year, but I trust he will put some time in to try to develop it. I said he was a six foot man with a seven foot ceiling....he's got far more room to grow than I gave him credit. I just hope he keeps the ball control aspect when he develops that throw

5 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

I agree he seems to care more than most. only other one I can think of that went out of his way was McNabb. He stuck around for quite a bit and had success. I just want to see one more read before the take off. Won't happen this year, but I trust he will put some time in to try to develop it. I said he was a six foot man with a seven foot ceiling....he's got far more room to grow than I gave him credit. I just hope he keeps the ball control aspect when he develops that throw

And then that one other factor is all the guys he’s being compared to in the media like Josh Allen, like Mahomes, like Dak, like Lamar are 27-31…. Dude just turned 24. Maybe he doesn’t get it all together and make it "click” until he’s 26, 27. What he’s able to do in the meantime to stave off the impatience will be the deciding  factor

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

And then that one other factor is all the guys were complaining him to in the NFL are 27, 28, 30, 33…. Dude just turned 24. Maybe he doesn’t get it all together and make it "click” until he’s 26, 27. What he’s able to do in the meantime stave off the impatience will be the factor

The NFL is not for long, especially for gimmicky second rounders behind a guy who signed a stupid deal. He fought his way through it all and may have matched with the perfect collection of coaches for him. I'm still not sold of anything long term at all, but I know this year he is playing good ball. The NFC is weak AF and we are in the driver's seat. I only have two teams that I look at and say "nope" to and thats the bills and chiefs. Not a lot of the league would make me question the win going into a Sunday 

8 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

The NFL is not for long, especially for gimmicky second rounders behind a guy who signed a stupid deal. He fought his way through it all and may have matched with the perfect collection of coaches for him. I'm still not sold of anything long term at all, but I know this year he is playing good ball. The NFC is weak AF and we are in the driver's seat. I only have two teams that I look at and say "nope" to and thats the bills and chiefs. Not a lot of the league would make me question the win going into a Sunday 

And I think it’s only the Bills. How do you really stop this team? You need a defense as diligent as Dallas’s and a run game that you can go back to 30-35 times. No one is beating us through the air the way we’re playing. Take that away from Mahomes and they become extremely pedestrian. They’ve lost multiple games because Mahomes couldn’t put up points when he had to; that doesn’t get easier against us.  And Buffalo, Dallas, maybe Denver are the only teams I think really have a defensive answer to our knuckleball offense.

4 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I think he is the appropriate QB of his skill range in this offense. Obviously Mahomes or Rodgers would be better, but I don’t believe Kirk Cousins would have beaten Dallas Sunday Night. He’d probably be trading turnovers pick-for-pick with Rush against that defense. I don’t think Carr would have gone turnoverless against Detroit, against Dallas, and against Arizona in 3 games we won by a combined 15 points.

Now we may be running a different offense altogether with those QBs, but I believe it’s this screwy RSPO (Run Scramble ((something that obviously wasn’t in there with Foles)) Pass Option) that helped us beat Dallas. How it F’ed Micah, how it made AJ Brown’s slants so impactful, how it opened the run game later on.

Hes an imperfect choice at Qb, but everything is working and in no small part because of him.

This offense is based around his skill set. It’s running at a high level for now, but I do wonder is this another Chip Kelly thing? Can they adjust if the other team adjusts to them? I will state that this team can beat you in multiple ways do overall it’s difficult to fully shut them down. I don’t think it’s possible to shut down the run plus the pass, and the RPO systems all at once. They will make some things work and they have proven they can do it against better a defense also. I think everything that’s happening is due to several circumstances. First is the coaching staff has gotten better with how to design an offense better suited for Jalen Hurts. Last year from their own admission they weren’t familiar with how to run offense for Jalen so they had to learn. Another reason is the offensive talent is better. Sanders is so far healthy and he’s looking like an elite level back. Brown is 100 times better than Reagor. It’s a major difference for everyone else in this offense. Jalen has gotten better as a passer and more decisive as a quarterback as a hole. He makes smart choices with the ball protecting it and throwing it away when the play isn’t there. Another help is this defense! These guys take the football away unlike last season. They couldn’t stop anyone from scoring last year, but this year they’re making teams pay when they make mistakes. The bottom line was this team needed patience. Considering what they had to deal with capwise last season it’s amazing they even made the playoffs at all. Now this team has been given opportunities because they don’t have that cap penalty which has allowed them to build up this defense, trade for an elite record, and allowed them to improve and develop on offense and coaching. Howie turned all this around in basically a year. 

22 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

I think accuracy a bit too. He’s not launching downfield as much, but it would be nice if the decisions he does make pay off every now and then. Doesn’t really work out when you’re only completing 60% of your passes

Seems like this team adjusts their gameplan as it fits the opponents. They were bombs away against the Commanders and they threw deep against Minnesota. I’d like to see more deep shots to Watkins, but right now Jalen isn’t forcing things, but that doesn’t mean he’s not throwing passes into tight windows and taking chances. Some of his short stuff has been in some really tight spots.

2 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This offense is based around his skill set. It’s running at a high level for now, but I do wonder is this another Chip Kelly thing?

Don't say things like this

Just now, Bwestbrook36 said:

Don't say things like this

I do feel like these coaches are willing to actually adapt unlike that dope Chip Kelly.

8 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

Dude protects the ball better than himself at this moment.

I think this is what has surprised me the most about Hurts. When he replaced Wentz in his rookie year, he had a lot of fumbles on not a lot of snaps. At the pace he was putting the ball on the ground, if you projected his snaps for a whole season, he would have had over 30 fumbles on the year. So last year, I was pleasantly surprised that he cut the number way down and didn't actually have a lot of turnovers either. This year, he's improved even more. This team is currently +12 in turnovers. Both Hurts and Sanders have done a good job protecting the ball so far this season. If they keep it up, we will be hard to beat.

10 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Out of all of Jalen’s numbers the only 2 turnovers are the biggest ones.

Yes, and for me the completion % also. He's taking good care of the football & making good decisions. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

This offense is based around his skill set. It’s running at a high level for now, but I do wonder is this another Chip Kelly thing? Can they adjust if the other team adjusts to them? I will state that this team can beat you in multiple ways do overall it’s difficult to fully shut them down. I don’t think it’s possible to shut down the run plus the pass, and the RPO systems all at once. They will make some things work and they have proven they can do it against better a defense also. I think everything that’s happening is due to several circumstances. First is the coaching staff has gotten better with how to design an offense better suited for Jalen Hurts. Last year from their own admission they weren’t familiar with how to run offense for Jalen so they had to learn. Another reason is the offensive talent is better. Sanders is so far healthy and he’s looking like an elite level back. Brown is 100 times better than Reagor. It’s a major difference for everyone else in this offense. Jalen has gotten better as a passer and more decisive as a quarterback as a hole. He makes smart choices with the ball protecting it and throwing it away when the play isn’t there. Another help is this defense! These guys take the football away unlike last season. They couldn’t stop anyone from scoring last year, but this year they’re making teams pay when they make mistakes. The bottom line was this team needed patience. Considering what they had to deal with capwise last season it’s amazing they even made the playoffs at all. Now this team has been given opportunities because they don’t have that cap penalty which has allowed them to build up this defense, trade for an elite record, and allowed them to improve and develop on offense and coaching. Howie turned all this around in basically a year. 

This is my underlying fear. Great year this year with this odd offense and then next year everyone has seen it and the defense loses quite a few pieces and we have now paid for a QB that needs a unique offense but can't afford the defense to give them chances. It's how the NFL keeps balance, but I would really love to keep that defense together for awhile. Just curious if anyone knows, but is this the first time Nick has had the same QB for two years since becoming an offensive coordinator.?

23 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

This is my underlying fear. Great year this year with this odd offense and then next year everyone has seen it

You claimed the nfl had figured out the offense last year. Now you are saying they will figure it out next year. Maybe they have figured it out and can't stop it? You seem to think our offense is some exotic scheme that has never been seen before, and that once it gets figured out, it will be obsolete. But maybe the answer is that Hurts is simply better than you think. 

28 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

You claimed the nfl had figured out the offense last year. Now you are saying they will figure it out next year. Maybe they have figured it out and can't stop it? You seem to think our offense is some exotic scheme that has never been seen before, and that once it gets figured out, it will be obsolete. But maybe the answer is that Hurts is simply better than you think. 

Will you stfu and let the adults have football conversation. I'm not the only one who expressed it. One of his biggest defenders started the discussion princess. If you think this offense is anything like last year, than you don't understand football. If you think Jalen is playing with the same discipline this year than he did last year, then you don't understand football. The offense developed and so has he

2 minutes ago, Shalodeep said:

Will you stfu and let the adults have football conversation. 

I would have thought Hurts would have shut you up, but here we are. 

7 hours ago, Shalodeep said:

This is my underlying fear. Great year this year with this odd offense and then next year everyone has seen it and the defense loses quite a few pieces and we have now paid for a QB that needs a unique offense but can't afford the defense to give them chances. It's how the NFL keeps balance, but I would really love to keep that defense together for awhile. Just curious if anyone knows, but is this the first time Nick has had the same QB for two years since becoming an offensive coordinator.?

I do feel that Sirianni will adjust his offense as needed as his quarterback develops and as the league adjusts. Another issue to worry about moving forward is who will call the plays? If the Eagles stay the course and get the big payoff at the end, Shane Steichen will definitely become a candidate for a coaching job. The league will adjust to the Eagles and probably blitz them far more than they do now. The Eagles offense will probably need to evolve with adding more hot routes and some more traditional offensive looks to compensate. As far as paying the quarterback goes it’s part of the territory, but I’m concerned regardless who the quarterback is. We have already been through this process on how paying the quarterback hurts the team. We will find out a lot about Jalen soon though. Does he want to break the bank or does he want to field a competitive team? Does he want to win or be paid. I don’t blame him if he goes the big payday route. So manny in the league have gone in that direction. 

7 hours ago, NOTW said:

Yes, and for me the completion % also. He's taking good care of the football & making good decisions. 

I’m not as surprised with his completion percentage going up as it has. Every year he’s improved in that area. On top of that he has adults he’s passing to now and not Reagor. Even with everyone so far I’d say most of his incompletions this season have been throw away passes and drops than just bad passes. 

9 hours ago, brkmsn said:

I think this is what has surprised me the most about Hurts. When he replaced Wentz in his rookie year, he had a lot of fumbles on not a lot of snaps. At the pace he was putting the ball on the ground, if you projected his snaps for a whole season, he would have had over 30 fumbles on the year. So last year, I was pleasantly surprised that he cut the number way down and didn't actually have a lot of turnovers either. This year, he's improved even more. This team is currently +12 in turnovers. Both Hurts and Sanders have done a good job protecting the ball so far this season. If they keep it up, we will be hard to beat.

Agreed. Protecting the football is winning football. Sanders right now looks like an elite running back. He’s running over people, and holding onto the football, and he’s staying healthy. Both the quarterback and running back are getting it done this season. 

7 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I would have thought Hurts would have shut you up, but here we are. 

Means you're only reading what you want to read. I've been complimentary most of the season and have been discussing his development of where it is and what could be done next. Discussing the change in coaches, schemes, and loss of the defensive talent that may come next year with him signing an extension. The fact you skim through like a crazy ex to talk crap instead of being part of the conversation probably means you don't belong in the conversation. Just sit there and read. You may learn something beyond Hurts. 

If i was here just to talk ish, my signature wouldn't have his stats and rankings in it. I would only pick out the negative stats and focus on those. No, i am an Eagle's fan and we are 6-0. I will celebrate it no matter who we have played 

However good the young man has looked so far, he has an issue with playing a complete game. Besides the Falcons game last year, has he played another truly complete game in his NFL career?

On 10/21/2022 at 12:13 AM, brkmsn said:

I think this is what has surprised me the most about Hurts. When he replaced Wentz in his rookie year, he had a lot of fumbles on not a lot of snaps. At the pace he was putting the ball on the ground, if you projected his snaps for a whole season, he would have had over 30 fumbles on the year. So last year, I was pleasantly surprised that he cut the number way down and didn't actually have a lot of turnovers either. This year, he's improved even more. This team is currently +12 in turnovers. Both Hurts and Sanders have done a good job protecting the ball so far this season. If they keep it up, we will be hard to beat.

 

On 10/21/2022 at 1:50 AM, NOTW said:

Yes, and for me the completion % also. He's taking good care of the football & making good decisions. 

Here's where I am on Hurts.

Strengths

I think he is playing great this year. The decision making and ball security is really good. The accuracy is also good and his deep ball has really improved (although see under weaknesses). The narrative for him not being able to throw from the pocket or to his left is hopefully gone now. He's looked really good, particularly when given a clean pocket. He's a dynamic dual threat QB and clearly has strong leadership skills. His arm strength is not an issue to me.

Weaknesses

These are more areas of slight concern at this stage. The much vaunted O-Line really seems to be struggling with blitz pickup. I don't know how much of that is on Hurts, the line or the coaching staff, but for some reason we are really struggling against the blitz this year. Hurts can beat a man, but at times he is overwhelmed. This has led in recent games to the Eagles just getting it out quickly. Plays are not developing down the field.

As others have said, it would be nice to see him a bit more consistent in the second half of games. But when the Eagles are 6-0 and generally winning pretty comfortably, I can't be too far down on him. Again, hard to know how much is Hurts and how much is coaching.

I'd like him to run a little less, although generally he runs smart. Occasionally he makes me wince a bit though. (Jags TD run)

Finally I'd like to see him toss a few more TDs in the red zone. It's great he can run for them, but would be good to take the pressure of his body a little. 

 

All in all though he has taken the step up that a lot thought he couldn't. I'm excited to see what he can do as our QB1 both this year and in the future.

 

As everyone knows, Jalen was born and raised in Houston Texas.    This week our Phillies play the Houston Astros for a Championship and the Eagles will be in Houston to play the Texans on Thursday Night Football.   I know Jalen is a part of our Philadelphia Family now but I understand Houston has always been his home.  The bottom line, take care of the Battle of Pennsylvania against the Steelers Sunday and then show out for family and friends by beating Houston in your hometown.