LMFAO

If there is a Felicia in this thread its named after a battery.

 

I agree with Swoop in so far as unless you hit home runs every draft, big QB contracts ultimately torpedo your roster in terms of winning the big one and Brady being relatively underpaid (or paid under the table) is a big part of why he has the most rings ever, while Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen will compete for a lot of MVP's but ultimately not rings.

That said it'd be a brave / suicidal move to be the first GM to test that hypothesis in real world football.

3 hours ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I agree with Swoop in so far as unless you hit home runs every draft, big QB contracts ultimately torpedo your roster in terms of winning the big one and Brady being relatively underpaid (or paid under the table) is a big part of why he has the most rings ever, while Rodgers, Mahomes and Allen will compete for a lot of MVP's but ultimately not rings.

That said it'd be a brave / suicidal move to be the first GM to test that hypothesis in real world football.

Exactly this.

I'm not opposed to giving him an extension and understand that it would probably be beyond idiotic to just let him walk, but, it will absolutely hamper the rest of the team.

I hope people are prepared for that.

So the Eagles have the ball, late 4th quarter, and need a TD and an extra point to win. 

I'm looking at Hurts and I am thinking "You have come all this way in your growth- are you going to be one of those QB's who you KNOW can bring his team back, and you never want to give him the ball, or are you going to be a choker who fizzles in the big moments?"

I'm not big on running QB's, but if they can pass the ball AND run, they become lethal. Hurts showed me what I was hoping to see. He is the guy opposing defenses will fear having the ball, late in the 4th quarter, with his team behind, yet within striking distance. We are blessed, Philly.

10 hours ago, vaff said:

Those are some impressive running stats.

I love victory formation stat compilations. 

4	0:37	1	15	DET 44	38	35	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards

4	1:03	1	10	WAS 29	24	8	Jalen Hurts kneels for -2 yards	3.640	2.830
4	0:31	2	12	WAS 31	24	8	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards

4	1:48	1	10	JAX 13	21	29	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards	4.710	3.900
4	1:06	2	11	JAX 14	21	29	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards	3.900	3.030
4	0:33	3	12	JAX 15	21	29	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards

4	0:17	1	10	PHI 33	20	17	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards

4	0:54	1	10	DAL 27	17	26	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards	3.780	3.100
4	0:27	2	11	DAL 28	17	26	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards

4	0:55	1	10	PHI 35	29	17	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards	1.270	0.590
4	0:30	2	11	PHI 34	29	17	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards	0.590	-0.230

4	0:31	1	10	IND 33	17	16	Jalen Hurts kneels for -1 yards

15 minutes ago, Talonblood said:

So the Eagles have the ball, late 4th quarter, and need a TD and an extra point to win. 

I'm looking at Hurts and I am thinking "You have come all this way in your growth- are you going to be one of those QB's who you KNOW can bring his team back, and you never want to give him the ball, or are you going to be a choker who fizzles in the big moments?"

I'm not big on running QB's, but if they can pass the ball AND run, they become lethal. Hurts showed me what I was hoping to see. He is the guy opposing defenses will fear having the ball, late in the 4th quarter, with his team behind, yet within striking distance. We are blessed, Philly.

Yesterday Hurts took another step in the franchise QB development. A QB who with the game on the line and the pressure there can step up and deliver. That's a huge huge trait that a franchise QB needs and he showed that he can do that. 

12 hours ago, vaff said:

The Eagles have played 10 games this year, and he’s been at least "pretty good” in all 10. How many other QB’s can we say that for this year? Maybe Mahomes?

 

8 hours ago, brkmsn said:

Through 10 games, he is 2nd in the NFL in QB rating and hasn't had a single terrible game yet this season. He has helped win games with his feet. He has helped win games with his arm. He has helped win games with both. He has shown the ability to win in different ways, yet you pretend you haven't seen it. I don't care if "you" wouldn't pay him. It isn't your decision. Smart GMs will try to keep star QBs in the fold as long as possible so they don't end up like the Cleveland Browns spending a high draft pick each season on one for 20+ straight years. When you find one that fits and your team is winning games, you build on that, you don't tear it down just because. 

 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Exactly this.

I'm not opposed to giving him an extension and understand that it would probably be beyond idiotic to just let him walk, but, it will absolutely hamper the rest of the team.

I hope people are prepared for that.

Fair point with that clarification Swoop. It will absolutely hamper us. You just have to hope Hurts is willing to make it as team friendly as possible.

But here’s the thing. The Brady era is either over or about to be. You look at the teams with Rodgers/Mahomes/Brees  etc and they were always competitive. If it were not for Brady/a bit of bad luck they probably would have won at least 2 by now. 

Any actual talk of letting Hurts go is idiotic, particularly given his leadership and work rate. Fortunately he’s shown himself to be a class above the Cousins’s and Carr’s of this world. He’s going to get paid and he’s going to keep us competitive, but it’s going to get harder. Howie needs to start nailing drafts on a more consistent basis.
 

2 hours ago, Swoop said:

Exactly this.

I'm not opposed to giving him an extension and understand that it would probably be beyond idiotic to just let him walk, but, it will absolutely hamper the rest of the team.

I hope people are prepared for that.

To draft and ultimately extend a player is almost always a better "value" than to trade for and extend or attempt to outbid other teams for a player in free agency. In the case of Hurts (assuming his playing level doesn't drop), his first contract extension will be much cheaper than the next one. So when a team is looking for a franchise QB, it's usually more cost effective to draft the right guy and extend him. There are examples of rookie contracts helping teams win it all one time (before those QBs ultimately get extended), but there aren't any examples of teams that let that guy walk, replace him with another and continue to win it all. Meanwhile the teams that extend their franchise QBs, tend to be the teams to beat in the post season year after year. 

So am I prepared to have a franchise QB under contract? Absolutely. I was prepared when we extended McNabb. We never quite got all the way, but we had several realistic opportunities. I was prepared when we extended Wentz. That latter ultimately crashed and burned. I'm not new to the realities of the NFL.

 

52 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

To draft and ultimately extend a player is almost always a better "value" than to trade for and extend or attempt to outbid other teams for a player in free agency. In the case of Hurts (assuming his playing level doesn't drop), his first contract extension will be much cheaper than the next one. So when a team is looking for a franchise QB, it's usually more cost effective to draft the right guy and extend him. There are examples of rookie contracts helping teams win it all one time (before those QBs ultimately get extended), but there aren't any examples of teams that let that guy walk, replace him with another and continue to win it all. Meanwhile the teams that extend their franchise QBs, tend to be the teams to beat in the post season year after year. 

So am I prepared to have a franchise QB under contract? Absolutely. I was prepared when we extended McNabb. We never quite got all the way, but we had several realistic opportunities. I was prepared when we extended Wentz. That latter ultimately crashed and burned. I'm not new to the realities of the NFL.

I'm not really in disagreement here, but the contracts for QBs today is wildly different than it was for McNabb. Before long we're going to start seeing 50/year and to me, that's just absurd.

I know there's an increase in cap, but still.

On 11/18/2022 at 4:59 PM, EagleJoe8 said:

That is my concern, although to be fair, it's a concern no matter who the QB is. I just worry about the future of the league the way these contracts are going.

Teams and GMs need to say no to players once in a while.

3 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Teams and GMs need to say no to players once in a while.

Then you’re not competing if you don’t have a QB. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. 

12 minutes ago, gameshowfan91 said:

Teams and GMs need to say no to players once in a while.

They can say no. Teams do this all the time. Somebody else will say yes. That's the reality.

7 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Then you’re not competing if you don’t have a QB. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t. 

I didn't say to say no to Hurts. Say no to players who isn't worth what they want. Joneses wanted to say no to paying Dak, but media pressured them into it.

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

I'm not really in disagreement here, but the contracts for QBs today is wildly different than it was for McNabb. Before long we're going to start seeing 50/year and to me, that's just absurd.

I know there's an increase in cap, but still.

Just wait 20 years and people say the same about todays values.

12 minutes ago, Infam said:

Just wait 20 years and people say the same about todays values.

Probably.

19 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

He's going to ask for top money. They all do

Their agents do, because the operate on a commission basis.

10 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Their agents do, because the operate on a commission basis.

Both his agent and he are going to want the contract to be as big as possible

The one good thing is that no one who got big deals this offseason - Rodgers, Wilson, Watson, Murray - have played well. So it's hard to see the Eagles going over the Mahomes/Allen contracts with Hurts, or any of the current qbs demanding massive deals with Mahomes locked in for 10 years. 

Probably you're right, and that's good business sense. But there's more to live than money. Let's say he takes a team friendly deal of 30m/y. That increases the likelihood of him a) winning more titles b) a lucrative post-playing career while also c) giving him more money than he can ever spend

29 minutes ago, kiwinavega said:

Probably you're right, and that's good business sense. But there's more to live than money. Let's say he takes a team friendly deal of 30m/y. That increases the likelihood of him a) winning more titles b) a lucrative post-playing career while also c) giving him more money than he can ever spend

I mean that's a nice idea but there's no way he's taking 30m/y. If he'd take 40 I think he'd be doing the team a favour based on what he's expected to get and what others around the same time will get. He may want to do right by the team but he's not going to do that right.

Time will tell. He strikes me as a guy who wants to win, and is willing to make sacrifices to win. He's never satisfied. I know it's unlikely, but you never know

Hurts is a dawg & will be an expensive dawg at that. 

What starting QBs have taken less money to help the team? Excluding Brady as there were reports he was getting money through his foundation 

Jalen Hurts QB rating is ranked 4th in the NFL behind Tua, Geno and Patrick  with 106.5 (Dak 96.2)!

Jalen Hurts is second behind Tua with 8.3 yards per attempt (for QBs throwing at least 1k yards). Hurts is 11th in passing Touchdowns, and 4th in rushing TDS!

In the road game against the Colts he put all the weight on his back and was able to run in the endzone for the winning Touchdown trailing in the 4th QTR.