"The Eagles quarterback and MVP candidate has been named the NFC Offensive Player of the Week for the second consecutive week after his performance in a blowout win over the Titans on Sunday.

Hurts is the first Eagle ever to win a Player of the Week award in back-to-back weeks.”

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eagles-jalen-hurts-makes-history-134420659.html
 

Seems remarkable that he’s the first Eagle ever to do this when you consider the many great players who played for this organization. 

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

So the article came out after that point. It was clear that in the article was about more than just the season after. I’ll leave you some excerpts.

"With Reich taking the top job with the Colts and DeFilippo joining the Vikings this season, the Eagles’ offense was going to be pretty much the same, or so the players thought. There was one major exception: Wentz didn’t want to run many of the concepts, because he felt that was "Foles’ stuff,”

Clearly this is a reference to 2017-18.

Wentz’s proclivity for playing "favorites” manifested itself in targeting Ertz, who went on to catch a single-season NFL-record 116 passes for a tight end. Over the 11 games Wentz played, he went to Ertz 106 times (an average of 9.6 targets per game), while Alshon Jeffery was targeted 74 times (7.4 targets per game) and Nelson Agholor 60 times (5.4 targets per game). Sources added, without any great revelation, that Jordan Matthews is an Eagle because "of his buddy Wentz.”

These are direct references here to 2017 and how Wentz manipulated the team to keep one of his guys on the team and him throwing to him a lot despite him not being all that good. 
 
I listened to one of Santoliquito’s interviews at the time and he said there was at least a half a dozen people in the Eagles organization who assisted in making his story and he mentioned that they wanted to remain anonymous for fear of reprisal for going against Wentz. Clearly in their minds Wentz played behind the scenes politics. Why would any of the people in the organization assume that if they didn’t think it were true? Of course it didn’t help that Carson’s face was plastered all over the GMs office. Most of the media local at the time pretty much panned this article. They also trash the report that came out from Anderson as well. There is also the story of a respected veteran during the SB run who confronted Wentz for being selfish at that time while the Eagles we’re making the run without him. I can’t tell you if said player was removed from the team after that time, but I can say that something made the rest of them feel like they needed to stay anonymous. Finally if Groh was the problem he could have been fired or shuffled when Deflip was fired by the Vikings. Deflip could have beeen brought in as an advisor, but none of that happened and the reason was Wentz didn’t like his difficult coaching style. The signs were there, but most of the people refused to see it. 

Conflating arguments. 

I know you have a major axe to grind on Wentz.  Go for it.  Just keep it to the actual events that took place, and not things that you've made up in your head.  From what I have seen, no one was fired or cut because of him.   Ironically, you cite bringing back Matthews, and Matthews was his friend, but they traded him away prior to the start of the 2017 season. 

Wentz being talked to by a vet during the Super Bowl run is irrelevant to him having people removed or replaced.  Throwing to Ertz instead of Jeffery is also irrelevant.  Ironically, Jeffery lasted longer around here than Wentz (technically, though by a matter of months).  He wasn't 'removed' or 'replaced'.  

 

I didn't say Wentz didn't have influence.  I didn't say that Wentz wasn't involved in adding or not adding people.  YOU said that he was responsible for "people being removed or replaced".  That's all I've asked you to cite, not the rest of this.  You've yet to name even one.   

 

I'm not defending Wentz.  I'm trying to keep the discussion to the actual facts.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Conflating arguments. 

I know you have a major axe to grind on Wentz.  Go for it.  Just keep it to the actual events that took place, and not things that you've made up in your head.  From what I have seen, no one was fired or cut because of him.   Ironically, you cite bringing back Matthews, and Matthews was his friend, but they traded him away prior to the start of the 2017 season. 

Wentz being talked to by a vet during the Super Bowl run is irrelevant to him having people removed or replaced.  Throwing to Ertz instead of Jeffery is also irrelevant.  Ironically, Jeffery lasted longer around here than Wentz (technically, though by a matter of months).  He wasn't 'removed' or 'replaced'.  

 

I didn't say Wentz didn't have influence.  I didn't say that Wentz wasn't involved in adding or not adding people.  YOU said that he was responsible for "people being removed or replaced".  That's all I've asked you to cite, not the rest of this.  You've yet to name even one.   

 

I'm not defending Wentz.  I'm trying to keep the discussion to the actual facts.

Well you can view it however you wish. You say Wentz had power but doubt he didn’t use it to influence the choices of the team. Whatever makes you feel good, but if you know he had yet doubt he use makes no sense to me. He didn’t suddenly become what he is after 2017. If you don’t think that Wentz used his power to prevent the Eagles from bringing back Deflip or keeping Press Taylor in his position then so be it. What has happened in Indy and Washington shows more about Carson and his leadership abilities than maybe people realize. The only difference is Carson doesn’t wield the same power in those places he did in Philly. But hey we are making a very big deal out of one line of my statement. I stand by everything I wrote. 

 

12 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well you can view it however you wish. You say Wentz had power but doubt he didn’t use it to influence the choices of the team. Whatever makes you feel good, but if you know he had yet doubt he use makes no sense to me. He didn’t suddenly become what he is after 2017. If you don’t think that Wentz used his power to prevent the Eagles from bringing back Deflip or keeping Press Taylor in his position then so be it. What has happened in Indy and Washington shows more about Carson and his leadership abilities than maybe people realize. The only difference is Carson doesn’t wield the same power in those places he did in Philly. But hey we are making a very big deal out of one line of my statement. I stand by everything I wrote. 

 

Reading isn't your thing... is it?

 

I asked for the names of people he had REMOVED OR REPLACED from the organization.  I asked for examples since you mentioned 'people'.  Can you cite one?    You can stand by whatever you wish, but you actually have no evidence that he had people fired or cut.  Him having input into who the team brings in isn't out of the ordinary for QBs in his position... or do you think that Jalen Hurts had zero influence in the team going out and bringing in his best friend?   

 

And yes, I asked you to back up what you wrote.  When people make an accusation like you did, I expect that that person can actually back it up.  Without having any names to back up your statement, it is fallacious.  (I'd say libel, but things on a MB aren't usually worthy of such legalities.).   All I am doing is asking you to 'show your work'.  You made the assertion that he had people axed, not me.  If you have some proof of it, even some sort of rumor... but we know he had some beef with Jeffery or at least vice versa... and yet, Jeffery was extended multiple times.  We know he was friends with Matthews, but he was traded away.  He was friends with Torry Smith... and he was traded away, but Jeffery remained.  Can you back up the assertion he had people removed or not?

Why are we even still talking about Wentz? He’s Washington’s problem now.

I just heard the great news.  Back To Back Offensive Player of the Week.  This is Jalen's 3rd Award this year. Wow.   He made Eagles History and NFL History in the last couple of weeks.   Now let's finish this month strong.   Amazing job this year by Jalen and the whole team.  

 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

Why are we even still talking about Wentz? He’s Washington’s problem now.

People who don't like Wentz like bringing him up for some reason

The rest of us have moved on 🤷‍♂️

2 hours ago, KINGnabb said:

I just heard the great news.  Back To Back Offensive Player of the Week.  This is Jalen's 3rd Award this year. Wow.   He made Eagles History and NFL History in the last couple of weeks.   Now let's finish this month strong.   Amazing job this year by Jalen and the whole team.  

 

This is just an awesome stat

6 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well you can view it however you wish. You say Wentz had power but doubt he didn’t use it to influence the choices of the team. 

 

I don't know why these people keep resisting the obvious that Wentz was a poor teammate and poor student of the game. Maybe I misremembered some details, but it was definitely put out there by multiple sources that Wentz didn't like his position coach's style early in his career, which led to friction between them and led the organization to look in a different direction, specifically one where they could find guys who didn't have high stature and that would be more friendly towards Wentz. Regardless, even to an outside observer, it was obvious that they were being highly deferential to Wentz's desires to the point of negligence. Even when they finally went to Hurts, it came after several weeks of absolutely horrid play that had long called for an in-game benching. For a long time, it seemed like they put making Wentz happy over what was really best for the team. It was maddening, but I'm at least hopeful that Lurie & Co. learned their lesson. In Hurts, they found the anti-Wentz.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People who don't like Wentz like bringing him up for some reason

The rest of us have moved on 🤷‍♂️

True to a degree. But it’s also true that a lot of the most aggressive Hurts haters/sceptics were/are big Wentz fans and some are so resentful that they even now refuse to get behind Hurts.

But you and I are agreed. This is a Hurts thread and Wentz is long gone. It’s time to move on.

17 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

True to a degree. But it’s also true that a lot of the most aggressive Hurts haters/sceptics were/are big Wentz fans and some are so resentful that they even now refuse to get behind Hurts.

But you and I are agreed. This is a Hurts thread and Wentz is long gone. It’s time to move on.

The last person to bring him up was a Wentz hater

On 12/6/2022 at 2:03 AM, EazyEaglez said:

According to Reuben Frank Sunday was Jalen’s 7th consecutive game with a quarterback rating of 90 plus, and that is the most in franchise history. I hope this is the beginning of something and not just a one hit wonder like Wentz was. With that being the case Jalen’s leadership ability, hardworking attitude, and personal accountability makes me think this is going to last.

 

3 hours ago, nipples said:

Why are we even still talking about Wentz? He’s Washington’s problem now.

EazyEaglez 

It started because Eazy simply said that he hoped Hurts wasn't a "one-hit wonder like Wentz," and then Infam commented on how Hurts exhibits the opposite qualities of Wentz. Perhaps the only thing in this thread that I find more amusing than watching the haters twist themselves into knots with their pretzel logic is watching the hangers-on whine any time someone happens to mention Wentz's name, incidentally or or tangentially. Face it folks: The two QBs are irrevocably linked; their topics are inextricably intertwined. You can't truly fathom the big picture here without keeping both players in mind.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Reading isn't your thing... is it?

 

I asked for the names of people he had REMOVED OR REPLACED from the organization.  I asked for examples since you mentioned 'people'.  Can you cite one?    You can stand by whatever you wish, but you actually have no evidence that he had people fired or cut.  Him having input into who the team brings in isn't out of the ordinary for QBs in his position... or do you think that Jalen Hurts had zero influence in the team going out and bringing in his best friend?   

 

And yes, I asked you to back up what you wrote.  When people make an accusation like you did, I expect that that person can actually back it up.  Without having any names to back up your statement, it is fallacious.  (I'd say libel, but things on a MB aren't usually worthy of such legalities.).   All I am doing is asking you to 'show your work'.  You made the assertion that he had people axed, not me.  If you have some proof of it, even some sort of rumor... but we know he had some beef with Jeffery or at least vice versa... and yet, Jeffery was extended multiple times.  We know he was friends with Matthews, but he was traded away.  He was friends with Torry Smith... and he was traded away, but Jeffery remained.  Can you back up the assertion he had people removed or not?

You know for someone who claims they’re not trying to defend Wentz you sure are wasting a lot of time defending him. As I have stated. You want to believe Wentz was something other than he was then be my guest in doing so. If you think Wentz didn’t have a say in the background politics be my guest in doing so. I stand by my word and don’t care what you think about it. Good day sir. 

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

The last person to bring him up was a Wentz hater

 

Funny I don’t see you clowns when we are talking positive about Hurts. Y’all were mainstays doing the off-season talking sheet though. 😂 Then y’all show up on droves to defend ya man. 😂

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

 

I don't know why these people keep resisting the obvious that Wentz was a poor teammate and poor student of the game. Maybe I misremembered some details, but it was definitely put out there by multiple sources that Wentz didn't like his position coach's style early in his career, which led to friction between them and led the organization to look in a different direction, specifically one where they could find guys who didn't have high stature and that would be more friendly towards Wentz. Regardless, even to an outside observer, it was obvious that they were being highly deferential to Wentz's desires to the point of negligence. Even when they finally went to Hurts, it came after several weeks of absolutely horrid play that had long called for an in-game benching. For a long time, it seemed like they put making Wentz happy over what was really best for the team. It as maddening, but I'm at least hopeful that Lurie & Co. learned their lesson. In Hurts, they found the anti-Wentz.

Compare and contrast. Clearly Hurts is the better leader here. What are we really going back and forth over? Typical of that group though, because they have spent so many years defending that guy and over praising his contributions they don’t even know how to act. The same clowns that want to defend Wentz today are the same clowns that spent two off seasons trashing Hurts. He was not a good teammate. End of story. 

1 hour ago, ManchesterEagle said:

True to a degree. But it’s also true that a lot of the most aggressive Hurts haters/sceptics were/are big Wentz fans and some are so resentful that they even now refuse to get behind Hurts.

But you and I are agreed. This is a Hurts thread and Wentz is long gone. It’s time to move on.

You know what I find funny? People to this day on this site still trash McNabb, Vick, and still cream their pants over how "fiery” Garcia was. Seems like every quarterback is up for grabs when it comes to criticism except for one. I wonder why? 

1 hour ago, EaglesRocker97 said:

It started because Eazy simply said that he hoped Hurts wasn't a "one-hit wonder like Wentz," and then Infam commented on how Hurts exhibits the opposite qualities of Wentz. Perhaps the only thing in this thread that I find more amusing than watching the haters twist themselves into knots with their pretzel logic is watching the hangers-on whine any time someone happens to mention Wentz's name, incidentally or or tangentially. Face it folks: The two QBs are irrevocably linked; their topics are inextricably intertwined. You can't truly fathom the big picture here without keeping both players in mind.

You know what is funny. The so called fact finding clown sure did keep his typing fingers on the hush when any of these dopes who have been writing the Hurts was a running back playing quarterback. I guess he only fact hunts when his god is connected to it. 😂

Wentz is a turd about to be flushed down the bowl on 3 teams in 3 years.

4 hours ago, SkippyX said:

Wentz is a turd about to be flushed down the bowl on 3 teams in 3 years.

I think he'll be a back up next year at this point. I'm not sure any team is bringing him in to be their starter.

5 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I think he'll be a back up next year at this point. I'm not sure any team is bringing him in to be their starter.

Agreed, I highly doubt any team will bring him in guaranteeing him a starting spot.  More likely he will be given an offer to go somewhere and compete for a spot.  

38 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Agreed, I highly doubt any team will bring him in guaranteeing him a starting spot.  More likely he will be given an offer to go somewhere and compete for a spot.  

Wentz is a backup to a backup (heineke) right now. He might get a backup job, but more than likely he just hangs it up. 

It's funny how people act like there's only one career path, completely ignoring lessons learned from the past. Cunningham was demoted to a backup and eventually thrown out with the trash. He was out of football for a spell and then got a call to be a backup. The starter got hurt, he stepped in and had a special season. Alex Smith was booed out of SF after 7 seasons. He was united with Reid in KC and turned into a very reliable QB. Geno Smith was a laughing stock for most of his disappointing career. After backing up Wilson, he was given a legitimate shot to replace him after the trade. He is no longer the player that was cast aside years ago. Josh McCown and Ryan Fitzpatrick are examples of players that at the very least made careers of being bridge starters. Nick Foles has had success as a backup after being unable to hold on to a starting job for very long on any team. 

Whether you like Wentz or not or root for him as a person or not, it's way too early to pretend the end of his story has been written. All I know is that right now, I'm a lot more concerned with Hurts' path / story. 

28 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

It's funny how people act like there's only one career path, completely ignoring lessons learned from the past. Cunningham was demoted to a backup and eventually thrown out with the trash. He was out of football for a spell and then got a call to be a backup. The starter got hurt, he stepped in and had a special season. Alex Smith was booed out of SF after 7 seasons. He was united with Reid in KC and turned into a very reliable QB. Geno Smith was a laughing stock for most of his disappointing career. After backing up Wilson, he was given a legitimate shot to replace him after the trade. He is no longer the player that was cast aside years ago. Josh McCown and Ryan Fitzpatrick are examples of players that at the very least made careers of being bridge starters. Nick Foles has had success as a backup after being unable to hold on to a starting job for very long on any team. 

Whether you like Wentz or not or root for him as a person or not, it's way too early to pretend the end of his story has been written. All I know is that right now, I'm a lot more concerned with Hurts' path / story. 

Ironically this is what my original post was about, but the beanbaggers got butthurt over anything perceived as negative about their god. With that being the case Wentz could end up being any of the success stories that you mentioned, but that would mean he has to fully understand he needs to change as a player/leader. It’s more likely he doesn’t reach those heights and ends up in the far more vast pile of guys who don’t make that transition. Still for the Eagles for the most part Wentz is a success story as he helped the Eagles win a Super Bowl. Most teams are lucky to win only one of those. No he didn’t win one but he helped the Eagles to win one and that matters. Ultimately me wanting Hurts to elevate beyond Wentz is what got these people so upset. The same people who have been trashing Hurts every chance they could over the past few years.