3 hours ago, D-Shiznit said:

😅

Not sure how everyone else feels, but I enjoy this. Said it the other day, he seems obsessed with winning and that's a great thing.

The numbers don't lie Philadelphia Eagles QB Jalen Hurts is currently the best Quarterback in the NFL with a rating of 108.4, having the best team with 12-1 record and the team with the most points in the NFL.

Funny that number two is Jalen Hurts former back up Tua whom later took the job from him at Alabama.

I don't love ANY/A but its another read on QBs like passer rating. Anyone giving QBR numbers like they are legit has no idea what they are talking about is the point of most of my ANY/A references. ANY/A factors in sacks but not rushing yards so its great for 2022 Mahomes but less so for 2022 Hurts.

There is no perfect stat to consider QB performance but QBR is worthless. Cooper Rush is the 9th best QB in the NFL this year by QBR.

A QB's job is to lead his offense and win games. The Eagles are #1 in points, #1 in passer rating, #1 in fewest turnovers, and #1 in record at 12-1

He's got 22 TDs to 3 picks (7.3 to 1) and he also has 10 rushing TDs.

Patrick Mahomes is supported by a running game. Jalen Hurts is the key to his team's running game with his run option reads. (Mahomes does not do this)

This is a clear and obvious feature for Lamar Jackson. The only reason it would not be additional value for Hurts would be anti-Hurts agenda.

 

 

13 hours ago, downundermike said:

No one is not appreciating it.  The Eagles should go far in the playoffs.

The issue, is no credit is being given to the other 52 guys.  AJ Brown has had a major impact, so has 1st round pick Devonta Smith.  So have the multiple all pro offensive lineman.  So has the offensive coordinator who can call a game multiple ways to take advantage of the opposing defenses weakness.

Hurts has played really well, but to think there is not multiple other QB's who would be doing the same with this roster is just absurd.

Poor Joe Montana, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, etc... had to do it all by themselves. 

To all the people pretending Howie did not want Hurts or that he was just going to be a gadget guy or some other such stupidity and ignorance, here is Howie himself on it. He pointed out all the seasons that the Eagles needed a backup QB from Feely to terrible Mike McMahon to Garcia to Vick and Foles and Foles again. He talked about McNabb going down in a playoff game (this was also true with Wentz right before this draft) and how teams around the league lose QBs and then struggle.

It was his choice. It was his desire. He understood others disagreed and HE DID NOT CARE!

It was need depth at the most important position and it was an incredible person and player that was available.

 

16 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

To all the people pretending Howie did not want Hurts or that he was just going to be a gadget guy or some other such stupidity and ignorance, here is Howie himself on it. He pointed out all the seasons that the Eagles needed a backup QB from Feely to terrible Mike McMahon to Garcia to Vick and Foles and Foles again. He talked about McNabb going down in a playoff game (this was also true with Wentz right before this draft) and how teams around the league lose QBs and then struggle.

It was his choice. It was his desire. He understood others disagreed and HE DID NOT CARE!

It was need depth at the most important position and it was an incredible person and player that was available.

 

To be fair. This is BS from Howie. There were clearly concerns about Wentz, which was why they drafted Hurts. You don’t take a developmental QB in the second round to be a backup,

Great pick by Howie, but nobody kid themselves that Hurts was drafted to be a backup.

The only reason some Media Pundits are hating on Jalen's MVP Candidacy is because they were WRONG about him and he keeps proving them wrong by winning week in and week out.  Jalen is the youngest QB since Marino to win 12 games (Marino won 14 games that year which The Eagles are on pace to pass).  They need to just Man up and admit they're views and opinions of his game didn't hold up and give him his props.  It's Ok to be wrong.  Just because they couldn't envision Jalen being this successful doesn't mean the reality of the situation should be minimized.   "You" believed he was just a "Running back".  "You" Believed he wasn't a good passer.   That's on "You" because "You" couldn't see him improving and becoming this good.   

LOL @ "MVP" not having a good team.   Rodgers and Mahomes teams were stacked during their MVP runs.  What MVP Team isn't good?  Last time I checked they don't give the MVP to losing teams.  I do feel Mahomes, Allen and yes even Burrow are all doing great for their teams.  I wouldn't say it's just the Team why they are successful because they are contributing greatly but for Jalen it's different rules and standards.  It seems some people are hung up on their own limitations of what they thought Jalen could do   The Eagles Offense basically just let Reagor and JJ go and added AJ and Pascal.   It's basically the same O from last year (Same O-Line, Same Running Backs and Devonta and Jalen have another year together) but yes AJ is light years better than both Reagor and JJ combined and he has made our Offense better. 

I do Feel AJ has been a huge benefit for Jalen's game and this team.   But I'm just laughing because NONE of these Pundits expected an MVP year from Jalen and they are shell-shocked by what he's doing.  AJ is having a career year, Miles is having a career year. Devonta is on pace for a career year.   Goedert was on pace for a career year before his injury.   You can't say Jalen isn't contributing to all this happening.    Also LOL @ "Anyone would have this team 12-1", that's disrespectful.   Jalen's rushing Stats are being completely minimized.   He's breaking records on the ground period, saying any QB can do that is BS and they know it.  Jalen is the first QB with back to back 10 rushing TD's.   Why hasn't another QB done that if what Jalen is doing is so inconsequential and doesn't matter?  Sorry that comes off a hating to me because they were wrong about Jalen.  Just Man up and give props were props is due.  Jalen is having a Historic and Fantastic Season as the Quarterback of this team.  

7 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

To be fair. This is BS from Howie. There were clearly concerns about Wentz, which was why they drafted Hurts. You don’t take a developmental QB in the second round to be a backup,

Great pick by Howie, but nobody kid themselves that Hurts was drafted to be a backup.

Let's flashback to Carson Wentz's first injury, a broken wrist in 2015 prior to being drafted. Then in 2016 rib hairline fracture in which he only missed preseason in his rookie year which is critical development time. Then torn ACL in 2017 the best year of his career, and Nick Foles came in and saved the day taking the Eagles to the Super Bowl and defeating Tom Brady. Then 2018 stress fracture and then in 2019 playoffs when Clowney's dirty hit took him out of the game.

   That is when General Manager Howie had some choice words for Carson which ultimately led to GM Howie drafting Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round.
Now do you think that getting a great QB that should've went in the first round but getting him in the 2nd was so that he could only be a backup?
We will say for now that was the truth since as noted in the paragraph above Carson Wentz has a long history of getting injured and needing a backup to fill in.

Owners, General Managers and coaches tend to lie at times to the media and fans for many reasons, and most sports fans can tell when its a bit of a blemish.

Such as a team that has no chance of making the playoffs, and acting like you are concerned for the upcoming game.

Of course Carson Wentz has been injured every season since leaving the Eagles on two different teams as well, and the Colts had a great oline with a great running game.

Once a player gets injured his chances of being injured again are higher, after the second injury even higher, and so on.
As we now know General Manager Howie is incredibly good at his job, and I don't think that he ever saw Jalen Hurts as simply a backup QB for his career in Philadelphia. I think if he had thought that he wouldn't have drafted him as high as the second round, and Carson knew that too hence why he wanted to be traded almost instantly after the draft.

12 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said:

To be fair. This is BS from Howie. There were clearly concerns about Wentz, which was why they drafted Hurts. You don’t take a developmental QB in the second round to be a backup,

Great pick by Howie, but nobody kid themselves that Hurts was drafted to be a backup.

He was drafted to start games for the Eagels and win those games. It could have been 2 in year 1 and 8 in year 2 and who knows from there.

Wentz was on the team for 6 playoff games and he played about 5 snaps total? When you are Wentz's backup you are also a starter.

Calling Wentz brittle would be a shot at your starter. Saying all QBs are brittle is less of a shot.

On 12/16/2022 at 12:51 PM, downundermike said:

Yes, I am an Eagles fan, and the Eagles at a minimum should be in the Super Bowl.

That being said, we have been discussing MVP and his impact on AJ Brown, and I will push back on the AJ talk especially.  AJ Brown was a stud before he got here, and is not a stud because of Hurts.  He has had more impact on Hurts than Hurts has had on him.

Well I don’t think anyone is saying Jalen made Brown anymore than McNabb made TO. What people are saying is first off how much Jalen has improved as a passer something most of the doubters said was impossible. Also you bring up the Titans and saying that what he’s doing is basically the same, but consider Smith who has already passed his reception max from last season, tied his touchdowns, and is less than 300 yards away from 1000 himself. When Brown was putting up his numbers did he do it with another guy catching 1000 too? 

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

He was drafted to start games for the Eagels and win those games. It could have been 2 in year 1 and 8 in year 2 and who knows from there.

Wentz was on the team for 6 playoff games and he played about 5 snaps total? When you are Wentz's backup you are also a starter.

Calling Wentz brittle would be a shot at your starter. Saying all QBs are brittle is less of a shot.

Howie cryptically said after that 2019 playoff loss that he assed who was there and he drafted accordingly. Well who was missing? Jackson, Jeffery, and Wentz. Who did the Eagles draft? Reagor, Hurts, Watkins, and Hightower. People need to realize that the "quarterback factory” wasn’t in the business of turning the young guy into value. They were in the business of replacing the older guy nearing 30 who was never there when they needed him at critical moments. 

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

He was drafted to start games for the Eagels and win those games. It could have been 2 in year 1 and 8 in year 2 and who knows from there.

Wentz was on the team for 6 playoff games and he played about 5 snaps total? When you are Wentz's backup you are also a starter.

Calling Wentz brittle would be a shot at your starter. Saying all QBs are brittle is less of a shot.

I'm pretty sure he was drafted as a plan B to Hurts. Wentz knew it as well and obviously reacted really badly. Maybe it was the injuries. Maybe there were deeper issues within the locker room (Indy dumped Wentz pretty quickly after a not too bad year). But to use a 2nd round pick on a guy who needed development and if he was good who would clearly want to leave as soon as his contract was up doesn't really make sense. Eagles would have been much better doing what they are doing now with Minshew. Plenty of guys who can win games from a back-up role.

26 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Well I don’t think anyone is saying Jalen made Brown anymore than McNabb made TO. What people are saying is first off how much Jalen has improved as a passer something most of the doubters said was impossible. Also you bring up the Titans and saying that what he’s doing is basically the same, but consider Smith who has already passed his reception max from last season, tied his touchdowns, and is less than 300 yards away from 1000 himself. When Brown was putting up his numbers did he do it with another guy catching 1000 too? 

Yes

20 minutes ago, ManchesterEagle said:

I'm pretty sure he was drafted as a plan B to Hurts. Wentz knew it as well and obviously reacted really badly. Maybe it was the injuries. Maybe there were deeper issues within the locker room (Indy dumped Wentz pretty quickly after a not too bad year). But to use a 2nd round pick on a guy who needed development and if he was good who would clearly want to leave as soon as his contract was up doesn't really make sense. Eagles would have been much better doing what they are doing now with Minshew. Plenty of guys who can win games from a back-up role.

Well the problem was obvious. Every playoff game the Eagles had they needed someone to come in and play quarterback, but they couldn’t afford to keep Foles to be that guy. So the Eagles knew they needed someone they could control to be that replacement, but they also knew that they need someone ultimately more durable. I find it funny the same dopes who went on and on how Hurts was gonna get hurt, were the same guys who ignored Wentz from being that hurt guy almost every year. In fact they would go as far as to defend his injury status and act like it was exaggerated. Imagine that. Defending a guy for missing multiple games due to injury while making it an absolute certainty for a different guy who hasn’t had close to the same injury issues. Only in the world of the beanbaggers this makes sense. 

10 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Yes

So I decided to look it up, and no it’s not even close. First off Brown himself will exceed his Titan numbers. Davis did not get 1000 yards. The next receiver for the Titans after those two was a fullback who played in 16 games and had a little over 20 receptions. The Eagles next receiver has played in only 9 games this year and has double the amount of receptions. So no it’s not as close as you all are trying to make it out to be in your quests to downplay Hurts. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

So I decided to look it up, and no it’s not even close. First off Brown himself will exceed his Titan numbers. Davis did not get 1000 yards. The next receiver for the Titans after those two was a fullback who played in 16 games and had a little over 20 receptions. The Eagles next receiver has played in only 9 games this year and has double the amount of receptions. So no it’s not as close as you all are trying to make it out to be in your quests to downplay Hurts. 

I'm not part of this argument, nor have I ever been. You asked a question, I answered it.

You can say "well technically Davis didn't get 1000 yards." He was 16 yards away, but okay, when has Smith? When has Smith even hit 984 yards?

My post never mentioned Jalen Hurts. 

Just now, Swoop said:

I'm not part of this argument, nor have I ever been. You asked a question, I answered it.

You can say "well technically Davis didn't get 1000 yards." He was 16 yards away, but okay, when has Smith? When has Smith even hit 984 yards?

My post never mentioned Jalen Hurts. 

I didn’t ask YOU the question, but YOU stuck your nose in it. The post was ABOUT how HE was downplaying Hurts. If you’re not involved then don’t get involved. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

I didn’t ask YOU the question, but YOU stuck your nose in it. The post was ABOUT how HE was downplaying Hurts. If you’re not involved then don’t get involved. 

I didn't know that message boards were restricted to only people that are directly conversing. I must've missed that.

You were wrong. It's okay, it happens. I'm not going to mention it for the next several years like you would. 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

I didn't know that message boards were restricted to only people that are directly conversing. I must've missed that.

You were wrong. It's okay, it happens. I'm not going to mention it for the next several years like you would. 

If you’re going to be a dope then do it someplace else. I mostly ignore your posts. Kindly do the same.

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

If you’re going to be a dope then do it someplace else. I mostly ignore your posts. Kindly do the same.

Evidently other than when you get an answer that proves you wrong.

It's okay, I'll leave you alone now champ.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

Howie cryptically said after that 2019 playoff loss that he assed who was there and he drafted accordingly. Well who was missing? Jackson, Jeffery, and Wentz. Who did the Eagles draft? Reagor, Hurts, Watkins, and Hightower. People need to realize that the "quarterback factory” wasn’t in the business of turning the young guy into value. They were in the business of replacing the older guy nearing 30 who was never there when they needed him at critical moments. 

I don’t think they were planning on replacing Wentz. They wanted to keep him, but thankfully he’s a huge baby, and insisted on being traded.

Altho, at that point he had a $33M cap hit if he got traded. I don’t pay much attention to contract structures, and I don’t know how much that would have lowered in the future, but it’s possible they wanted to wait until it became more manageable.

36 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

So I decided to look it up, and no it’s not even close. First off Brown himself will exceed his Titan numbers. Davis did not get 1000 yards. The next receiver for the Titans after those two was a fullback who played in 16 games and had a little over 20 receptions. The Eagles next receiver has played in only 9 games this year and has double the amount of receptions. So no it’s not as close as you all are trying to make it out to be in your quests to downplay Hurts. 

Brown was 76.8 yards a game in 2020 in Tennessee.

Brown is 78.5 yards a game this year.

Brown and Davis were 147.1 combined yards per game in 2020.

Brown and Devonta are 148.1 combined yards per game.

8 minutes ago, vaff said:

I don’t think they were planning on replacing Wentz. They wanted to keep him, but thankfully he’s a huge baby, and insisted on being traded.

Altho, at that point he had a $33M cap hit if he got traded. I don’t pay much attention to contract structures, and I don’t know how much that would have lowered in the future, but it’s possible they wanted to wait until it became more manageable.

So his extension I believe had an out after three seasons. Overall in a perfect world the Eagles wanted Wentz to be their guy, but after all that went down they likely felt the need to have an alternative plan in case things fell apart. They were right and nearly everyone else was wrong.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Brown was 76.8 yards a game in 2020 in Tennessee.

Brown is 78.5 yards a game this year.

Brown and Davis were 147.1 combined yards per game in 2020.

Brown and Devonta are 148.1 combined yards per game.

Statistically you’re using averages, but the players numbers will exceed their outputs (baring any injuries) within the same 16 game span. Also the Eagles third option is performing better than the Titans 3rd option. All this coming from a player you guys wrote was just a running back. I’ll add look at Josh Allen’s numbers before he had Diggs. Was that MVP level numbers? Why are people like you penalizing Hurts for having better players, but fawning over others who got the same treatment? Don’t worry I know the real answer. You don’t have to say and I know that you won’t anyway.