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4 hours ago, greend said:

For those of you that have the undying need to try and find fault with Wentz. This is one reason I doubt he's a bad team mate. 

 

He still wears it too

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

The way you guys talk, there isn’t a single beat writer with legit sources and they all are just making it up for clicks. 

To be fair that seems to be the way nowadays

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

I still think they're waiting until after the SB so they can interview those coaches

19 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

definition

 

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How is taking a break make you a bandwagon fan?

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32 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

:wacko:  Please tell me we aren't going to have the uniform discussion again.....

 

I would wait to celebrate the Bengals decision until we see the knew uni...

I think some of the folks around here are secretly fans of 'say yes to the dress'... my wife is obsessed with that show and watches it on her phone.. and I can't for the life of me figure out the allure.

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Just now, Mike030270 said:

He still wears it too

To be fair that seems to be the way nowadays

I still think they're waiting until after the SB so they can interview those coaches

How is taking a break make you a bandwagon fan?

Possible but at that point you are really behind at building your staff. Not sure they want to wait that long. Colts did it with reich and it worked out but i do think it’s a disadvantage  

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2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:
Maybe it's just me but this Matt Campbell PC drives me nuts when it comes to HC's. I would roll my eyes into the back of my head if a guy said something like this on the Eagles. 

The talk is great, but when the rubber hits the road there has to be accountability.  He’ll succeed or fail based on the example he sets, every day.

He has a really uphill climb.  The ownership in DET is bad; when they came out and gave Quinn and Patricia the ultimatum of "playing meaningful games in December” or getting fired they were both as good as gone at that moment.  That Lions team is nowhere close to a contender, regardless of who the coach was (not that Patricia was the right hire)

It’s good he negotiated a 6-year deal.  Now ownership needs to commit to his vision.  I have my doubts they will 

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35 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Like you, most of my reading is ebooks. However, for serious keepers I still go to hardcovers, not so much for ppb. Just finished Ian W. Toll's trilogy on WW2 in the Pacific.https://www.goodreads.com/series/159526-the-pacific-war-trilogy Cost about $100 for the three but totally worth it. His analysis of pre-war Japan is the best I've read on the subject - what was essentially a military coup driven, not by general staff, but by mid-level officers. Got 1491 in hardcover as well, based on your recommendation http://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1327865228i/39020._UY630_SR1200,630_.jpg. Will go to that after I finish Team of Rivals by Doris Kearsn Goodwin, also in hardcover https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/Team_of_Rivals_cover.jpg

As always, thanks for the recommendations.  I have been enmeshed in genealogy research of late so a lot of my history reading and research have been century old documents like diary notes, wills, land conveyances, court documents census documents, old local histories and Scandinavian church records and censuses.  If my translation of the word for wife from Norwegian is correct, it is "gift”.  That  translation has had me immersed in reading US legal histories, court opinions and treatises on the development of women from chattel property, subsumed from father to husband, to their status today (still not fully equal, even under the Constitution).  Very little in property rights other than life tenancy until 1848.

Toll’s work sounds fascinating. The development of the Warlords from the time of the invasion of Manchuria, which in some ways was a reaction to events from the Sino-Russian war is pretty interesting.  Less known than the rise of Hitler and the National Socialists and the rise of the Fascists in Italy and Spain.  I added it to my list.

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30 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Then they shouldn’t have fired Doug. Let alone firing him and keeping Howie. The guy is not a bad coach. They’re scapegoating him and it’s absurd. It’s such a bad look. Most coaching hires in the NFL fail, and the Eagles got one who while flawed has proven he’s pretty good at the very least and who knows how things would’ve gone if Howie could actually draft talent.

They should have known their job would be unattractive and they’d have to settle for other guys. Just keep Doug then and make it work. It’s totally insane that Doug got the boot and Howie is still here. Just infuriating.

This is why they seemed to have almost zero clue how unattractive their job would be. The cap situation is one thing that is an obvious problem with the job. But aside from that, Howie and Lurie are completely blind to the biggest coach deterrent... Howie. He has too much say, and Carson is his guy. No coach wants to be micromanaged by a little weasel who thinks he understands football. If I am hired as a head coach, I want the freedom to run the team the way I see fit, let the GM stick to GM things. 

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I can't believe the Lions passed on Robert Saleh for Dan Campbell. 

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I imagine being the Lions HC is just liked buying a boat.  Today is the best day of Dan Campbell's coaching career.  The 2nd best will be when they fire him after going 4-30 over the next 2 seasons.  

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20 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup, he has 2 brothers that were/are HC's along with his father, although it was at lower college programs. I forget where, it was on ITB pod yesterday. It's definitely a coaches family.

I look at it this way, the eagles are in a rebuild and badly need to first draft better. That’s a start. But secondly develop the young talent they actually do have on this team and going to acquire this upcoming draft. Sirianni has shown that with the chargers and colts. It’s not all him but he definitely has had a big hand in it. I look at the Patriots since mcdaniels came back from the Rams, who have the Patriots drafted and developed? Gronk and Hernandez were in year 3 when he came back. Gronk was coming off a 1300 yard and 17 td season. They were already very good. Edelman is one. The next is James white. Michel hasn’t developed. Harry hasn’t developed. Jacobi meyers has been solid. They never got close to replacing gronk since he left. Part of the reason Brady left was lack of offensive skill talent. The Patriots have really failed to develop much outside of Edelman and white since mcdaniels came back unless you give him credit for gronk and Hernandez who were already in year 3 and very good. 

OL if you want to make that case the Patriots have had one of the better OL coaches in the league after they were struggling.  

not saying mcdaniels isn’t good at adjusting his offense to the guys he has been given with FA and brought in. Just in terms of developing their drafted or UDFA 

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38 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Then they shouldn’t have fired Doug. Let alone firing him and keeping Howie. The guy is not a bad coach. They’re scapegoating him and it’s absurd. It’s such a bad look. Most coaching hires in the NFL fail, and the Eagles got one who while flawed has proven he’s pretty good at the very least and who knows how things would’ve gone if Howie could actually draft talent.

They should have known their job would be unattractive and they’d have to settle for other guys. Just keep Doug then and make it work. It’s totally insane that Doug got the boot and Howie is still here. Just infuriating.

I don’t think enough people are emphasizing the fact that they didn’t want to fire Doug.

Doug got fired because he did a 180 and said he’d no longer be a puppet who would let them pull the strings.  Had he not done that, he’d still be the HC.  
 

They aren’t really "settling” for other guys.  From my viewpoint, they will actually get exactly who they wanted all along...whomever it is that will allow Lowie to run the team.  That’s what they want and that’s what they’ll get.

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13 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Oh I agree, it was outstanding.  Just pointing out that the overly literal interpretation should acknowledge the reality that the city of Detroit is stuck in a clogged fesces-filled toilet from which it will never return.

Ah, can always count on you to be a ray of sunshine!!!

 

(I don't disagree with you on this though)

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9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The talk is great, but when the rubber hits the road there has to be accountability.  He’ll succeed or fail based on the example he sets, every day.

He has a really uphill climb.  The ownership in DET is bad; when they came out and gave Quinn and Patricia the ultimatum of "playing meaningful games in December” or getting fired they were both as good as gone at that moment.  That Lions team is nowhere close to a contender, regardless of who the coach was (not that Patricia was the right hire)

It’s good he negotiated a 6-year deal.  Now ownership needs to commit to his vision.  I have my doubts they will 

They really should trade Stafford to get picks and try to draft and develop a QB. Going to wind up just wasting stafford’s last 2-3 good years ( i say that little cause he’s gotten beat up). Get value for him now and start it over 

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1 minute ago, RLC said:

I can't believe the Jets passed on Robert Saleh for Dan Campbell. 

You mean the Lions?  Maybe they wanted Saleh, but the Jets outbid them or acted faster.

That’s what bugs me about the narrative that the Eagles are an undesirable job, or candidates don’t want to come here.  If I interview with Lurie and Howie and I ask about next steps, Lurie tells me "we’re going to be interviewing people over the next couple of weeks and let you know” — then after I leave the interview and a team like the Jets or Falcons calls me to tell me I’m hired, and sends me a written offer .... guess what?  I’m taking that job!

NONE of the guys hired during this cycle have ever been a head coach in the NFL before.  They’re not sitting there with their agent waiting to mull over multiple offers.

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7 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can't believe the Jets passed on Robert Saleh for Dan Campbell. 

What? 

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Here are my thoughts on Siriani - I think in some regards your ability to assemble a very good coaching staff is almost more important than other things. Our 2017 -18 SB win was because of the good coaching staff we had and not necessarily because Doug was here. Doug was instrumental - no doubt, but there was so much more. 

 

When Reich left in 2018- I stated at the time it would be our biggest loss from Superbowl team. Doug is a good coach, but he is not an offensive mastermind. Frank was the driving force behind our offense in 17 & 18, when we lost him and Flip in the same year, I thought it would be worse than what it was right away, but it tool some time to deteriorate. It did happen but it took a little longer. 

Doug welcomes input, the problem is Dougs game plans are only as good as the input he gets, and that has not been great since Frank left.  Example: it was Frank who suggested changing the offense to a read option that Foles would do well in,  for the playoffs in 2017. Once Frank left, Doug was left to what offense Frank had left behind and what input he got from his assistants. It is why our offense became stale and predictable overnight. Doug lacks the ability to design plays for your players strengths and lacks the ability to be innovative.

Now Siriani, supposedly has that ability to create, design and be fluid with game planning for the strength of your players. you can see Frank's influence on him as you see him break down the tape.  He appears to be a good Coach in that he knows how to reach the players and help them grow. 

What I dont know,  if he is ready for HC. I dont know if he can put together a good Staff, he will need a good DC to go along with him. But I would bet his offense will be more innovative, creative, and match what strengths the players we do have, more so than what we saw the last 2 seasons under Doug. 

With Josh McDaniels, we know he can and will be that offensive mastermind so to speak, but there are clues he may not have been a good HC in the way of how he coaches people up. We do know he can put together a pretty good coaching staff. 

 

I'll be ok with either of these as a hire, but will be most interested in the rest of their staff they can put together. DC will be critical. 

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2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don’t think enough people are emphasizing the fact that they didn’t want to fire Doug.

Doug got fired because he did a 180 and said he’d no longer be a puppet who would let them pull the strings.  Had he not done that, he’d still be the HC.  
 

They aren’t really "settling” for other guys.  From my viewpoint, they will actually get exactly who they wanted all along...whomever it is that will allow Lowie to run the team.  That’s what they want and that’s what they’ll get.

Debating the merits of firing a coach who won you a Super Bowl and took you to the playoffs three straight years is fine and you can make a legit argument for keeping him. But none of that matters if he's mentally checked out, which is what he clearly was. He coached like a reckless maniac this year and that report at the start of the season mentioning that he was exhausted and had one foot out the door seems more relevant now. Doug was checked out here and with that being the case, it didn't make sense to keep him. You can't have a coach like that. 

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I'm guessing he means Chargers since Raiders hired Bradley already, but point stands. If it's Sirianni, I think you will hear it today or tomorrow at the latest.

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32 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I will be taking at least a year off. My fandom changed years back when I got sick, it changed my perspective on a lot of things. I realized life is way too short to continue to waste hundreds of hours of my time on sports if they’re not bringing my joy. The Eagles are the only team left in the city I watch regularly, though I still keep up with the news. If it gets to the point where they bring me more misery than joy, then I’ll move on from them too and come back when they excite me again.

I feel you. I was never a super sports guy outside football, so my time commitment was minimal. But I still watch the Eagles when they are nationally televised. Outside of the birds and my Gerogia dawgs I dont watch football games, and even then, I do a bit of work during that time. I do my daily google searches for the some combination of the eagles, 76ers, phils, and flyers when I have free time, but it is not a priority. I will still ride with the birds till I am gone though, I love the team and the community too much to ever stop. I hope they get exciting soon as well, its always nice to have an extra little pep in the week when your team is fun to watch. 

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2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You mean the Lions?  Maybe they wanted Saleh, but the Jets outbid them or acted faster.

That’s what bugs me about the narrative that the Eagles are an undesirable job, or candidates don’t want to come here.  If I interview with Lurie and Howie and I ask about next steps, Lurie tells me "we’re going to be interviewing people over the next couple of weeks and let you know” — then after I leave the interview and a team like the Jets or Falcons calls me to tell me I’m hired, and sends me a written offer .... guess what?  I’m taking that job!

NONE of the guys hired during this cycle have ever been a head coach in the NFL before.  They’re not sitting there with their agent waiting to mull over multiple offers.

Also didn’t help the eagles that they were a week behind the other 6 jobs that opened. So even if they wanted smith, he’s already in the process of second interview and Falcons wanting to hire him by the time you have your first interview. 

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3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Debating the merits of firing a coach who won you a Super Bowl and took you to the playoffs three straight years is fine and you can make a legit argument for keeping him. But none of that matters if he's mentally checked out, which is what he clearly was. He coached like a reckless maniac this year and that report at the start of the season mentioning that he was exhausted and had one foot out the door seems more relevant now. Doug was checked out here and with that being the case, it didn't make sense to keep him. You can't have a coach like that. 

I won’t argue that.  The fact remains that the only reason they fired him was because he was no longer willing to yield control of his coaching staff or QB decision-making.

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5 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Debating the merits of firing a coach who won you a Super Bowl and took you to the playoffs three straight years is fine and you can make a legit argument for keeping him. But none of that matters if he's mentally checked out, which is what he clearly was. He coached like a reckless maniac this year and that report at the start of the season mentioning that he was exhausted and had one foot out the door seems more relevant now. Doug was checked out here and with that being the case, it didn't make sense to keep him. You can't have a coach like that. 

Yup. I can't remember how many times we all were asking ourselves "WTF is Doug doing?" in some pretty critical spots, especially with the "we ran out of 2pt plays" nonsense. 

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43 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Michael Pittman actually played really well down the stretch for the colts. He also worked with tyrelle Williams in SD which helped him get to the contract he got with the raiders as well as he helped Keenan Allen have his best season as a pro when he was the WR coach. I’d add reich has credited him with hines and Taylor. 

I’m sorry but this just doesn’t impress me. You always hear these type of praises from HCs about their guys. 
 

These Guys are alway given such big credit and most flop. Most never even heard of this guy till he interviewed now he got all the cred? Idk man. 

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2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I won’t argue that.  The fact remains that the only reason they fired him was because he was no longer willing to yield control of his coaching staff or QB decision-making.

I kind of feel like that was the last straw. I don’t think those were the only reason but the other reasons they were willing to still give him another year to fix them. 

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1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Also didn’t help the eagles that they were a week behind the other 6 jobs that opened. So even if they wanted smith, he’s already in the process of second interview and Falcons wanting to hire him by the time you have your first interview. 

Yup.  It was clear the Eagles intended to keep Doug for one more season.  He wasn’t fired just because the team won 4 games — those coaches got fired the day after the season and their head coach search hit the ground running.

My issue with that decision is I would have fired Doug immediately after the season; not only because the team won 4 games, but because everything was trending in the wrong direction and he did an absolutely horrible job last season in almost every way.  It wasn’t just injuries, it wasn’t just an aging roster — Doug was horrible and needed to be fired.

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49 minutes ago, RLC said:

It's ok to admit you didn't know what other people did. That's how people learn and grow.

There are legitimate concerns with Sirianni. He's been coaching for a relatively limited time. He's only worked for offensive HCs, so it's hard to figure out how much credit he deserves for his team's success. He could easily flame out.

Oh I most definitely admit I don't know about a guy that no one else suggested in here or anywhere as a candidate before this week.  Self awareness is how people grow.  

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