How about blaming all the broken down players who were replaced by rookies and back-ups this season?
Who indignantly argued for higher pay then crapped out and couldn't do the job?

How about a "star" WR who spent most of the season on IR then made one big play and stupidly injured himself 
with a show-off celebratory back-flip?

How about a "star" QB who sucked up a huge cap hit then sucked just as big on the field? Yeah, you can blame whoever
gave him that deal, but he's the one who didn't uphold his end of it. The one who proudly declared he wouldn't do anything 
different (like accept any coaching corrections) despite playing like dirt and losing game after game.

15 hours ago, eaglegenius said:

How about blaming all the broken down players who were replaced by rookies and back-ups this season?
Who indignantly argued for higher pay then crapped out and couldn't do the job?

Who kept those broken down players on the roster though. That would be Howie the weasel. How that guy still has a job is beyond me. Its a joke, a disgrace. 

We can look back and say we missed on a lot of talent in the draft that a bunch of us fans were calling but you can’t look back and take every player that turns out well for another team and say you should have drafted them..

when you look around the league and see players like Aggy, Darby, Douglas,  Sidney Jones even posted career high numbers despite getting hurt and only playing in 9 games. 
i think you need to place most of the blame on the coaching staff. Plus the fact that most of me hates that doug is always going for it on forth down when several of those times if you kick the field goal you have a chance to win at the end, or if you punt maybe you don’t need 7-10 points to win you get a stop on defense.

We can start with your grandfather for not wearing a rubber and causing your father to be born

10 minutes ago, 20dawk4life said:

We can start with your grandfather for not wearing a rubber and causing your father to be born

Would we not go further back than that.

55 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Would we not go further back than that.

Na. His great grandparents were cool. 

On 1/4/2021 at 4:37 AM, Portyansky said:

McNabb.

100% 

it's on coaching and howie, howie is a better problem because he like the phillies kept the talent for too long and didnt trade them for young talent or picks that can be used to trade for talent back.

 

like the 2020 offseason of not trading for talent that was on the block and letting jenkins go and not replacing it, that's a disaster written all over it.

On 1/4/2021 at 11:14 AM, eaglegenius said:

How about a "star" WR who spent most of the season on IR then made one big play and stupidly injured himself 
with a show-off celebratory back-flip?

How about a "star" QB who sucked up a huge cap hit then sucked just as big on the field? Yeah, you can blame whoever
gave him that deal, but he's the one who didn't uphold his end of it. The one who proudly declared he wouldn't do anything 
different (like accept any coaching corrections) despite playing like dirt and losing game after game.

Best Answer^^^...especially the second part

Rona. Sports Medicine staff. Howie drafts. Coaching.

If the coaching and GM are to blame then ultimately the buck stops with Lurie.

As it stands only Schwartz will get canned and for once he's the one coach who can look back on the season and say he did the absolute best he could with the hand he was dealt, which even by the standards of recent Eagles secondaries was godawful.

9 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

As it stands only Schwartz will get canned and for once he's the one coach who can look back on the season and say he did the absolute best he could with the hand he was dealt, which even by the standards of recent Eagles secondaries was godawful.

Agreed with this. And I mean Schwartz isn't even necessarily being canned either. 

Even with all the problems this team had with injuries and play calling, one has to wonder what the season would have looked like had Wentz played at a high level, like he did in 2017 and for the last 4-5 games last year.

 

 

You blame the players, they are the one's on the field playing the game. The Head Coach can drill you with certain plays, and things can still go bad, so how does the coach get blamed for the players mistakes or blocking, dropped passes, bad passes , too low, too high , penalties etc.

i feel like its 40/60 with Howie getting more of the blame. His kicking the can down the road policy and loyalty to aging players has put this team in the situation we are currently in. He also has not be amazing in the draft either. But aside for stoutland, fipp, and deuce, I am very concerned with our player development; so the coaches share blame as well.

I gave it a 30/70 split, I think the coaches can only do as much as the talent they are giving.

100% howie & coaching.

1000% lurie if he doesn't pull the plug on it all

It goes beyond just coaching and Howie.

 

For this past season though I would go:

Howie 60%

Wentz 30%

Doug 10%

 

 

I give Howie 60% of the blame because I think this was the worst offseason that he has tied to his career as GM.  Worse than the Dream Team by far.  He should be fired but he won't be.  WR was a blatant issue for us and CB was a blatant issue for us.  For WR he bypassed trading for an available DeAndre Hopkins and Stefon Diggs or signing any sort of free agent and instead deciding to depend solely on the rookie WRs he would draft especially given his historic track record at drafting WRs.  Terrible! 

For CB their top target signed with Miami and they had no FA backup plan and instead he trades for Slay.  Now I like Slay and he is probably the best CB on the Eagles since Asante (except nowhere near as good as Asante) but he is obviously past his peak prime and he is 30 years old and he cost a 3rd and a 5th round pick.  Now of course if the rest of the offseason and subsequent season weren't such a disaster and the team was competitive this season then it's not that bad of a trade.  But in retrospect with where the team is both in the draft and with the long term outlook that now isn't the best trade in the world.  Then he did nothing at all for the 2nd CB spot.  In fact he even straight up cut Sydney and Rasul instead of just keeping them for the final year of their contracts.  Not like they brought anyone good to take their place.  Terrible!

Then the big one that had the biggest impact on the season was the 2nd round pick.  I like Hurts and I think we are at the point where is probably a better QB for the short term than Wentz even though he doesn't have as high of a ceiling.  But taking a QB in the 2nd round was so bad.  This team had so different areas it could have used a potential quality starting player at and they took a backup QB.  And then of course it had the predictable outcome of completely shaking Wentz's confidence.  It's undeniable that Wentz is a mentally weak individual when it comes to his insecurity as the starting QB of this team.  They kept Foles around a year too long when they could have got a high second round pick for him from the Browns.  When Foles was gone we saw this exciting finish to the 2019 season where it seemed like Wentz had finally assumed leadership again with this new cast of young practice squad guys.  And then Howie said nope and just threw a handful of dog crap right into Wentz's face.  I still to this day cannot make sense of the Hurts pick.  Terrible!

 

And that brings us to Wentz at 30%.  For those that remember I was a massive supporter of Wentz.  I will always maintain that he was the right choice over Foles.  That Wentz wasn't just great in 2017 but he was in 2018 as well outside of one awful game against the Saints and he was really good in 2019 with what he was able to do with such nonexistent talent around him for much of the season.  And he looked great this year too in the first half of that Redskins game.  He looked like he was going to be in the conversation for MVP again.  No Dillard, no Brooks, No Lane & lineman are dropping like flies throughout the game.  The entire first half he is getting the crap hit out of him every single drop back.  But he is making plays and he was looking amazing getting the Eagles to a 17-0 lead.  Then he threw the interception on 1st down right near the end of the 1st half and he was never the same again.  Just terrible the entire season.  One of the worst QBs in the league.  There will be theories for years as to what happened and what was the cause.  I think for that Redskins game at least he just took too many shots.  Every QB will break down for the game after they get hit consistently enough.  Even Brady as we saw vs the Giants in the Super Bowls.  Every QB has their limit.  Despite having the lead in that game I think Wentz hit his limit during the course of building it.  The protection actually wasn't too bad the rest of the game but Wentz was already spooked.

The odd thing though is why it carried over the rest of the season.  Did he fracture his back again in that first half but never brought it up and just played through it the whole season this time?  I think he was in his head.  I think Howie with that 2nd round pick for Hurts got in his head.  Once he started struggling his mind immediately went to #2 on the bench.   That boogie man chased him all season long.  That also isn't acceptable though.  He should have been benched at halftime of that first Cowboys game if not earlier in the season.  That is mental weakness to let it get to you so much that you become that bad.  Terrible!  Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Joe Montana & Tom Brady looked at the talented backup and they said I'm not giving this up without a fight.  Wentz gave it up without a fight.  Tripping all over himself he couldn't handle that pressure, not again so soon after Foles.  It is interesting to think if Wentz might have been able to overcome his early season struggles if Doug didn't elevate Hurts in Game 2 and start using him then.  Maybe he doesn't allow Hurts to get in his head and overwhelm him to the point that he can't play QB anymore at a high level.  Or maybe he still ends up being awful.  Who knows, we may never know.  

 

Which brings us to Doug at 10%.  I like Doug but Doug also infuriates me with some of his decisions at times.  Perhaps Doug should get a higher percent because he definitely plays a part in the blame but I just don't think as much as the other two.  I just don't know how much say he has in who plays and who starts and who sees however many snaps.   I think Howie has him by the balls with the power he holds over the gameday roster and game planning to an extent.  So Doug is very limited as a HC here and I think the time has come for that to change.  He is a Super Bowl winning HC.  If this is the sink or swim season for his time here in Philadelphia then give him the keys the team.  Let him decide who he plays, let him build his own coaching staff and give him final say on roster acquisitions.  Anyway, he didn't have a good year but he was a dealt an awful roster that somehow managed to ramp up the level of injuries even higher than the previous 3 seasons and his QB was one of the worst starting QBs in the league.  You aren't winning games in the NFL with one of the worst QBs in the league unless you have a dominant defense.   And that trashcan of a GM Howie has left our present and future on defense extremely bare.  

@RememberTheKoy is this a new you bud? So far you're posts seem more balanced, more reasonable. Keep it up because this new you talks a whole lot of sense! 😁

I agree with everything you've said. 

I wonder though what happened to Wentz? Because you're right he was great down the stretch last year and then was great in the first half (well nearly all of it) against Washington. So I wonder what happened there? Because from the end of that first half onwards it was just a complete ish show. 

70% THIS GUY:

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

@RememberTheKoy is this a new you bud? So far you're posts seem more balanced, more reasonable. Keep it up because this new you talks a whole lot of sense! 😁

I agree with everything you've said. 

I wonder though what happened to Wentz? Because you're right he was great down the stretch last year and then was great in the first half (well nearly all of it) against Washington. So I wonder what happened there? Because from the end of that first half onwards it was just a complete ish show. 

In the Washington game, I think Wentz went gung-ho trying to establish the deep pass. We had gone 2 years with that really not being a part of the offense and he tried too hard to get back to that. With our patchwork line blocking against a stout pass rush, the pressure took it's toll. Over the rest of his starts, Wentz continued to try to force things and the results rarely went our way. All in all, it was a bad year by him, but it was probably a lesson that he needed to learn in order to move forward in his career. 

32 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

In the Washington game, I think Wentz went gung-ho trying to establish the deep pass. We had gone 2 years with that really not being a part of the offense and he tried too hard to get back to that. With our patchwork line blocking against a stout pass rush, the pressure took it's toll. Over the rest of his starts, Wentz continued to try to force things and the results rarely went our way. All in all, it was a bad year by him, but it was probably a lesson that he needed to learn in order to move forward in his career. 

Wentz tries to press too often. It was a problem in 2018 and 2019 and it was a problem this year. That's who he is and I don't think that's going to change. Wentz isn't learning he's shown that.

Howie has delivered a grand total of ZERO All pro players.

Not one Eagle is either 1st team or 2nd team All-Pro.

Howie sucks!!!

https://www.nfl.com/news/2020-all-pro-team-donald-kelce-highlight-roster

15 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

@RememberTheKoy is this a new you bud? So far you're posts seem more balanced, more reasonable. Keep it up because this new you talks a whole lot of sense! 😁

I agree with everything you've said. 

I wonder though what happened to Wentz? Because you're right he was great down the stretch last year and then was great in the first half (well nearly all of it) against Washington. So I wonder what happened there? Because from the end of that first half onwards it was just a complete ish show. 

 

It's the big mystery.  I think his psyche just broke in week 1 and he was shook from the first half pressure and was seeing ghosts the rest of that game.  But that doesn't explain why it carried over the rest of the season.  Maybe he has just taken too many hits and suffered too many injuries that he just isn't capable of remaining calm and focused in games anymore.  That added with him fearing the shadow of Hurts all season.  I think it is entirely mental but I don't think that means he will be able to correct it, at least not on this team.  For the sake of his career I think he needs a fresh start in a new city on a new team and I think he and his agent know that as well.  The only other chance he could have had is if the Eagles moved on from Roseman and Doug, two people he likely has no trust in anymore but the Eagles chose to keep Howie and Doug so Wentz will be the odd man out.  

 

I will root for him to succeed elsewhere but it would be awful if he was able to turn it around to the point that he is back in the MVP conversation meanwhile Hurts never really pans out as the guy here.  But that is a risk the Eagles will have to take at this point because there is no other realistic alternative with the path they have chosen with retaining Doug and Howie.  

On 1/4/2021 at 4:37 AM, Portyansky said:

McNabb.

My exact post... but I scanned through to see if someone else had already done it lol