January 14, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, Kz! said: Spell "my daddy" B-O-O-G-Y-M-A-N Kz, if I were your daddy you would be much more successful and definitely not so pathetic.
January 14, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Boogyman said: Kz, if you were my daddy I would be much more successful and definitely not so pathetic. For the last time, I'll mentor you, but I'm not adopting you.
January 14, 20223 yr 39 minutes ago, Kz! said: For the last time, I'll mentor you, but I'm not adopting you. But I already lapped you man.
January 15, 20223 yr The Oath Keepers believed they were going to be called up as a militia under the Insurrection Act by President Trump. Where did they get such a crazy idea?
January 15, 20223 yr 11 hours ago, SPIDER-MAN said: Watch the Pete Navarro interview on MSNBC. He detailed the whole plan on live tv. This has been reported over and over different ways. Navarro confirms his plan: the "Green Bay sweep". By contesting the election in battleground states, they were seeking a no majority winner in the Electoral College. Then Congress holds a contingent election, each state getting one vote. The Trump regime recruited legislators to create challenges. Only it was a failed hail mary attempt, and the clock had already run out. I believe the riot was planned to create a diversion. To give them more time. Maybe they thought that the rally was going to attract even more people to join the effort to overturn the election result. They held events in DC and state capitals around the country on Jan 6. It all backfired. All of their challenges failed. The election was certified. In the end, the same mechanisms that elected Trump President in 2016, elected Biden in 2020. In the United States, we elect our leaders. There is peaceful transfer of power. We the people don't want our leaders elevated by violent coup, or by politicians in some backdoor attempt.
January 16, 20223 yr Rioters called the Capitol after Jan. 6 looking for the Lost and Found, seeking to find car keys and other stuff they left behind. Not the best and brightest.
January 16, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, toolg said: Not the best and brightest. They aren't sending their best
January 17, 20223 yr Author 23 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: wtf is that crap? It isn't sedition, so I am guessing D-Baggery?
January 18, 20223 yr Cool. Quote Florida governor proposes special police agency to monitor elections No state has such a force, which Gov. Ron DeSantis wants empowered to arrest voters and others who allegedly violate election laws https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/01/18/florida-governor-proposes-special-police-agency-monitor-elections/
January 18, 20223 yr On 1/16/2022 at 12:31 AM, toolg said: Rioters called the Capitol after Jan. 6 looking for the Lost and Found, seeking to find car keys and other stuff they left behind. Not the best and brightest. "What’s a good phone number for you?”
January 18, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: "What’s a good phone number for you?” "And please give me your name, address..." No wonder the coup didn't work. Not only did the rioters leave clues behind, they called right into the Capitol identifying themselves.
January 18, 20223 yr I honestly think some of them didn’t think they would get in trouble because they really bought into the idea that the election would be overturned. Strange times.
January 20, 20223 yr Author On 1/18/2022 at 2:11 PM, Dave Moss said: I honestly think some of them didn’t think they would get in trouble because they really bought into the idea that the election would be overturned. Strange times. They had the president and quite a lot of the GOP on their side, as well as media like Fox News, reporting, as news, a cascade of big lies not seen since a certain group of Germans spread them like fertilizer.
January 20, 20223 yr Uh oh. We probably haven't heard the last of the story about those thugs from Trump's campaign showing up at an elected official's house pressuring them to change vote counts.
January 21, 20223 yr Author Rudy Giuliani oversaw state effort to send fake electors to declare Trump victory in 2020, report says https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-rudy-giuliani-fake-electors-b1997683.html Hmm, march on the Capitol, putting up fake electors. . .it is really starting to sound like MAYBE Trump was trying to overturn the election results for some reason.
January 21, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, Toastrel said: Rudy Giuliani oversaw state effort to send fake electors to declare Trump victory in 2020, report says https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-rudy-giuliani-fake-electors-b1997683.html Hmm, march on the Capitol, putting up fake electors. . .it is really starting to sound like MAYBE Trump was trying to overturn the election results for some reason. I think this case will definitely put some people behind bars.
January 21, 20223 yr Quote Rudy Giuliani Is in Trouble... American history is full of people who cultivated a "law and order" image, and yet concluded that they themselves were above the law. Rudy Giuliani, who first rose to power by busting mobsters and then promising to clean up New York City, is clearly in that group. And yesterday, The Washington Post published a report that makes clear how very deep the hole has gotten, documenting his central role in a scheme to manipulate the 2020 electoral vote tally through the use of false electors. Bits and pieces of this story have been floating around for about a week, and we were holding back a bit, so as to work them into the discussion of a possible "slow-moving coup" in 2024, a discussion that will resume next week. However, the news is now too big to wait. The Giuliani scheme was really quite simple, and really quite stupid. In short, he arranged for slates of "Trump electors" to be submitted from seven close states: Pennsylvania, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, Wisconsin, Nevada and New Mexico. When the scheme was first put into motion, Giuliani—who was in regular contact with the Trump campaign—was probably on the right side of the law. Recall that when voting for president, people are actually voting for electors who are pledged to that particular candidate. If the candidate wins, that candidate's electors cast their votes for that candidate (unless they decide to be faithless). If the candidate loses, that candidate's electors don't do anything. Usually. In this case, the Trump electors met, as if the 45th president had been reelected, to cast their electoral votes. That's probably ok, since it's really just a protest statement. If a group of, say, Green Party members want to get together and loudly cast their "electoral votes" for the Green Party candidate, they can do it. However, more than a dozen Trump electors were leery that they were being used for purposes beyond protest, and so bailed on the scheme. This is where we start to get into lawbreaking, since the defectors were replaced by fiat, meaning that the new "electors" were representing themselves as something they were not. After these "electoral votes" were cast, then Giuliani (and several associates) went from "probably breaking the law" to "full-blown felony." They cooked up fraudulent electoral certificates, got signatures from the highest-profile person willing to play along, and sent those to the archivist of the United States. To quote Michigan AG Dana Nessel (D), that is "an open-and-shut case of forgery of a public record." The fraudulent certificates were rejected, of course. The conspirators did have a legal justification for their actions. However, it is a justification whose quality is consistent with Giuliani's current level of intellect and legal skill. Their claim is that the Trumpers were following a precedent set in 1960s, when the state of Hawaii submitted two sets of electors after a close election. There are two enormous problems with this justification, however. The first is that the two situations are not especially similar. In 1960, Hawaii initially went for Richard Nixon by about 200 votes. That was close enough to trigger a recount, but—given that it was an all-paper election—the recount took time. So, both sets of electors met and cast their votes. The governor signed the Nixon certificate and kept the John F. Kennedy certificate in his desk drawer. When the recount declared Kennedy the winner, the governor sent in the Kennedy certificate along with a letter of explanation and a request to withdraw the previous certificate. In this case, of course, there was no reason to believe that the election results might change in any of these seven states. None of them were close enough to be affected by a recount, and the claims of fraud were unsupported by evidence. More importantly, in Hawaii, both election certificates came from the official who was duly authorized to sign that paperwork. And there was never a time when both were presented as the "true" result. The Nixon certificate was the "true" result while the voting tally supported that, and then the Kennedy certificate was the "true" result once the recount was done. The Giuliani-created certificates, by contrast, were not signed by the correct officials, and were not held until more information was known. They were sent in at the same time as the legitimate certificates. And that brings us to the second problem with Team Giuliani's justification. On two of the seven certificates, the ones for Pennsylvania and New Mexico, it specifies that they are only to be considered if the Trump campaign's legal challenges are successful. The other five do not contain that caveat. It is hard to convey how monumentally stupid this choice was. If the statement had been in all seven certificates, then it would have decreased the odds they would be taken seriously, but it would also have covered Giuliani's rear end fairly well. And if the statement had been in none of the certificates, then Giuliani & Co. could at least have claimed they didn't think that clarification was necessary. But to have some with the statement and some without? It's the worst of both worlds. You have five certificates—enough to swing the election, not coincidentally—that are falsely presented as entirely valid and legitimate. And you have two certificates proving that the Trumpers knew they were misrepresenting the facts. Anyhow, what we have is a near-slam-dunk case of fraud (the phony electors) and forgery (the fake certificates), and that's before we get into things like conspiracy, racketeering, or sedition. Oh, and there are at least 100 people who have some legal exposure here: the 82 "electors," Giuliani and his fellow ringleaders, the folks who signed the fake certificates, and any members of the Trump campaign who were part of the scam. There is no way 100 people maintain a conspiracy of silence; these are some heavy crimes, and the time has come for the small fish to save themselves. Indeed, at least a few of them have already had a chat with the authorities. Finally, note that all of the information in The Washington Post article was based on information that is publicly available. The 1/6 Committee must know more, over and above the Post's reporting. Keeping in mind that Giuliani, in particular, is also exposed in terms of the 1/6 plotting at the Willard Hotel, not to mention the various mega-lawsuits from Dominion Voting Systems and Smartmatic, as well as other sundry matters, "America's Mayor" is going to be spending a lot of time in courtrooms in the next couple of years. And very possibly a lot of time in rooms with iron bars. In other words, he's going to learn about "law and order" from the other side. (Z)
January 21, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, EaglesRocker97 said: Very few people in this country that have earned their spot in prison more than Rudy. Dude went from one of the more revered public figures in America to someone on par with Benedict Arnold. Pathetic.
January 21, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Very few people in this country that have earned their spot in prison more than Rudy. Dude went from one of the more revered public figures in America to someone on par with Benedict Arnold. Pathetic. (anecdote) I know some folks who are from New York City. They will admit he handled 9/11 appropriately, more or less... But even back in 2001 they convinced me he wasn't all that he was cracked up to be. Surprised not surprised.
January 21, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, toolg said: (anecdote) I know some folks who are from New York City. They will admit he handled 9/11 appropriately, more or less... But even back in 2001 they convinced me he wasn't all that he was cracked up to be. Surprised not surprised. I remember some stories from when I lived up there a few years after 9/11. Him putting the emergency headquarters in the World Trade Center despite it already having been hit in '93 was a huge mistake. There was some no-bid contract equipment that got emergency personnel killed in the towers as well. But those are mistakes, even if the results were catastrophic. I don't think anyone would have guessed he'd end up as a traitor.
January 25, 20223 yr Author Fort Worth man is latest to be charged for deadly riot at US Capitol https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/fort-worth-man-is-latest-to-be-charged-for-deadly-riot-at-us-capitol/ar-AAT7HBJ?ocid=BingNews Quote The latest from the Dallas Fort Worth area to be indicted and arrested is 26-year old Jason Blythe. He faces charges of civil disorder, assaulting officers with a deadly weapon and carrying on violence on the Capitol grounds. In this case, prosecutors say the deadly weapon was a part of a crowd control fence. The indictment says Blythe and four others used that section of fence to attack two officers, injuring one. Blythe, the feds say, was arrested based on pictures from the scene. To date more than 20 people from the Dallas - Fort Worth area have been arrested. Two are currently serving prison terms after pleading guilty. So many people charged with things that don't sound at all like meandering. Weird, huh?
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