February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Distinction without a difference Ok. Carry on...
February 20, 20214 yr 13 hours ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Opinions, not lies opinions you don’t like And I just wanted to make sure we got the facts straight. I was never for thinking violence is "ok” Okay, we need to discuss this (see bolded part). Seriously. I'm curious. Why do you think we are talking about Trump's opinions? It seems to me to be quite obvious that Trump was emphatic that he won "by a lot". He didn't seem to be expressing his opinion. He didn't say "I think" or "maybe" or "there possibly could have been fraud" -- he consistently claimed there was election fraud and that there was "evidence" -- yet his lawyers simply failed to produce that evidence when they had the chance. (As it did not exist). So where is the opinion? In fact, BEFORE the election even happened he said the only way he would lose would be by "fraud". AND, on election night he said this: "This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. We did win this election." This was on election NIGHT for christ's sake, while votes were still being counted. He was upset because he couldn't have the big party he had planned that evening and had to wait for votes to be counted (because of REPUBLICAN rules in states like PA - -where they said you can't start counting absentee/mail-in votes until the polls close). Look, Trump isn't quite that dumb -- and you know it. He knew that there were votes remaining to be counted and he knows that it is virtually impossible to have massive election fraud to overcome millions of votes (EVER). So he then embarked on a crusade to disparage those votes and the counting of votes in states where (because of what he said about mail-in votes), there were lots of mail-in votes to be counted. So why do you think this was merely opinion being expressed? Do these tweets look like opinions?: Lawyers now on @newsmax, @OANN & maybe @FoxNews. An open and shut case of voter fraud. Massive numbers! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2020 I won the Election! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 16, 2020 In Detroit, there are FAR MORE VOTES THAN PEOPLE. Nothing can be done to cure that giant scam. I win Michigan! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 18, 2020
February 20, 20214 yr 59 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: We don’t know how he died He was fine the night of the brawl He died the following night it is unlikely anyone intended him to die there are no suspects The zip tie guy did not bring the zip ties to the protest, he found them inside the capitol these are all just facts that don’t fit your narrative Did someone throw a fire extinguisher at an officer? Did a group of people drag an officer down steps and beat him with weapons? Did an officer get thrown off a ledge? Did an officer get crushed by a mob of people until he was bleeding from his mouth? How about those facts? 52 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Ok. Carry on... Are you second guessing not flat out calling him stupid?
February 20, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Did someone throw a fire extinguisher at an officer? Did a group of people drag an officer down steps and beat him with weapons? Did an officer get thrown off a ledge? Did an officer get crushed by a mob of people until he was bleeding from his mouth? How about those facts? Are you second guessing not flat out calling him stupid? I beleive all of those facts, even if each and every one of them is true, have been more then well enough discussed by the likes of you i just wanted to add to that those facts which get very little mention
February 20, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, caesar said: Okay, we need to discuss this (see bolded part). Seriously. I'm curious. Why do you think we are talking about Trump's opinions? It seems to me to be quite obvious that Trump was emphatic that he won "by a lot". He didn't seem to be expressing his opinion. He didn't say "I think" or "maybe" or "there possibly could have been fraud" -- he consistently claimed there was election fraud and that there was "evidence" -- yet his lawyers simply failed to produce that evidence when they had the chance. (As it did not exist). So where is the opinion? In fact, BEFORE the election even happened he said the only way he would lose would be by "fraud". AND, on election night he said this: "This is a fraud on the American public. This is an embarrassment to our country. We were getting ready to win this election. Frankly, we did win this election. We did win this election." This was on election NIGHT for christ's sake, while votes were still being counted. He was upset because he couldn't have the big party he had planned that evening and had to wait for votes to be counted (because of REPUBLICAN rules in states like PA - -where they said you can't start counting absentee/mail-in votes until the polls close). Look, Trump isn't quite that dumb -- and you know it. He knew that there were votes remaining to be counted and he knows that it is virtually impossible to have massive election fraud to overcome millions of votes (EVER). So he then embarked on a crusade to disparage those votes and the counting of votes in states where (because of what he said about mail-in votes), there were lots of mail-in votes to be counted. So why do you think this was merely opinion being expressed? Do these tweets look like opinions?: Lawyers now on @newsmax, @OANN & maybe @FoxNews. An open and shut case of voter fraud. Massive numbers! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 19, 2020 I won the Election! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 16, 2020 In Detroit, there are FAR MORE VOTES THAN PEOPLE. Nothing can be done to cure that giant scam. I win Michigan! — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) November 18, 2020 Opinion Judges don’t say "maybe the law says this” or "I think the law” The write in more certain terms, they don’t use hedging language But their writings are called opinions
February 20, 20214 yr 7 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: I beleive all of those facts, even if each and every one of them is true, have been more then well enough discussed by the likes of you i just wanted to add to that those facts which get very little mention That this is all overblown despite multiple attacks on our police force? Thanks for that.
February 20, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Paul852 said: That this is all overblown despite multiple attacks on our police force? Thanks for that. That some have blown it beyond its normal proportions, yes
February 20, 20214 yr 53 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Are you second guessing not flat out calling him stupid? No
February 20, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: No So why do you start pointless circular arguments about these things? So you can divert attention away from substance and facts
February 20, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, Paul852 said: More power to you. Are you flat out calling him stupid?
February 20, 20214 yr 23 minutes ago, Seventy_Yard_FG said: That some have blown it beyond its normal proportions, yes You're certainly allowed to have your opinion
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: So why do you start pointless circular arguments about these things? So you can divert attention away from substance and facts Dude, I put the facts up there. Some of those supported you. Some of those don't.
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: Are you calling him flat out stupid? This argument is flat out stupid, yes.
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: This argument is flat out stupid, yes. Yes, that's true. I agree with that 100%.
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Facts Now you don't know the difference between facts and opinions?
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: Dude, I put the facts up there. Some of those supported you. Some of those don't. You tried to argue pointlessly about whether you called me stupid and a terrorist
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: You tried to argue pointlessly about whether you called me stupid and a terrorist I never called you either one. I did say one of your posts was stupid.
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: Now you don't know the difference between facts and opinions? Yes and you have them reversed
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: I never called you either one. I did say one of your posts was stupid. Think you need to adjust that number.
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, DrPhilly said: I never called you either one. I did say one of your posts was stupid. Even if that’s true it doesn’t make a difference to my point and you wasted pages quibbling
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Seventy_Yard_FG said: Yes and you have them reversed You THINK the reaction is overblown compared to other attacks on the Capitol. Noted.
February 20, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: Think you need to adjust that number. Well I only commented on one in this back in forth where I used that term.. I'm sure plenty of my posts (and your posts) in here are pretty stupid as well.
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