March 11, 20214 yr Author A 35-year-old Capitol riot suspect is a Marine Corps veteran who served in the presidential helicopter squadron https://news.yahoo.com/35-old-capitol-riot-suspect-103618763.html Keep on rounding up these low life POS. Lock them all up.
March 12, 20214 yr Author Florida Man With Alleged Links To Oath Keepers Charged Over Capitol Riot https://www.npr.org/2021/03/11/976206037/florida-man-with-alleged-links-to-oath-keepers-charged-over-capitol-riot Keep rounding them up and locking them up.
March 12, 20214 yr Oof setting an occupied federal building on fire! Good thing they weren't right wingers or this could have been scary!
March 12, 20214 yr Author 10 minutes ago, Kz! said: Oof setting an occupied federal building on fire! Good thing they weren't right wingers or this could have been scary! I think they should be punished. Arson is a crime. Unless the fire happened during some meandering. Then it is fine, right smacked ass?
March 12, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Toastrel said: I think they should be punished. Arson is a crime. Unless the fire happened during some meandering. Then it is fine, right smacked ass? The question is, did they do a sedition? Are they insurrecting? I don't know, I'm just putting it out there.
March 12, 20214 yr Author 23 minutes ago, Kz! said: The question is, did they do a sedition? Are they insurrecting? I don't know, I'm just putting it out there. Not at all, if they were just meandering, the fires and any police killed are not really important. What were the TV ratings? How big were the crowds?
March 12, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Kz! said: The question is, did they do a sedition? Are they insurrecting? I don't know, I'm just putting it out there. Meandering with zippos
March 13, 20214 yr 20 hours ago, Kz! said: The question is, did they do a sedition? Are they insurrecting? I don't know, I'm just putting it out there. So in your mind -- A Federal courthouse in Portland (which was not running trials at the time due to the unrest in the city) is equivalent to the U.S. Capitol building where legislators were in session attempting to conduct the nation's business? What initiated and what was the purpose of the capitol riot? What initiated and what was the purpose of the Portland standoff? Was the Portland standoff inspired by a gigantic big lie told by the President and his minions, repeatedly for months; or was it a general groundswell of protest in response to police violence across the country? They are not equivalent: During 57 consecutive nights of protests, demonstrators have squared off first with the Portland police and then with federal agents in what at times have been pitched battles, with protesters throwing water bottles or fireworks and agents responding with frequent volleys of tear gas. The arrival of the federal agents caused the protests to swell and focused the ire of protesters onto the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, across from a park shaded by mature trees. What began as a movement for racial justice became a broader campaign to dislodge the federal forces from the city.
March 13, 20214 yr 3 hours ago, caesar said: So in your mind -- A Federal courthouse in Portland (which was not running trials at the time due to the unrest in the city) is equivalent to the U.S. Capitol building where legislators were in session attempting to conduct the nation's business? What initiated and what was the purpose of the capitol riot? What initiated and what was the purpose of the Portland standoff? Was the Portland standoff inspired by a gigantic big lie told by the President and his minions, repeatedly for months; or was it a general groundswell of protest in response to police violence across the country? They are not equivalent: During 57 consecutive nights of protests, demonstrators have squared off first with the Portland police and then with federal agents in what at times have been pitched battles, with protesters throwing water bottles or fireworks and agents responding with frequent volleys of tear gas. The arrival of the federal agents caused the protests to swell and focused the ire of protesters onto the Mark O. Hatfield U.S. Courthouse, across from a park shaded by mature trees. What began as a movement for racial justice became a broader campaign to dislodge the federal forces from the city. That’s true, they’re not equivalent. The vast majority of capitol "insurrectionists” didn’t do anything violent, walked around the building, and left. It went on for a couple of hours before they peacefully dispersed. The Portland kids have been violently rioting since late May lmfao
March 14, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Kz! said: That’s true, they’re not equivalent. The vast majority of capitol "insurrectionists” didn’t do anything violent, walked around the building, and left. It went on for a couple of hours before they peacefully dispersed. The Portland kids have been violently rioting since late May lmfao Yes - but you still miss the larger point (or pretend to miss it). The Rodney King rioters; Martin Luther King rioters, etc. - yes, all much worse damage and destruction - from a purely economic or health perspective. But an attack on the very seat of our government to stop a legitimate ministerial function (certifying an election) -- due to repeated false claims/lies by the guy currently in charge - the President and his minions -- is a billion times worse looked at from the political context and is a threat to our very system of government. Sure riots in poor urban areas (which is where many riots happen) -- result in more property damage and/or deaths from the violence. But the long-term political damage and threat to our democracy are not nearly as significant. It's still the essentially powerless people expressing rage/anger the only way some of them feel they know how. That is, the protestors in urban riots are trying to assert their rights for democracy to participate more in the democratic process -- granted, they are doing so badly and in a disorganized, incoherent fashion (or they are trying to obtain rights they feel they have been denied). The capitol riot was about thwarting the lawful operation of the democratic process and our election - and keeping someone in power due to that person's lies, treachery and disinformation. That's like a 3rd world country - where the dictator sics his minions on others, to stay in power. That's the difference. Although you like to compare -- it is not about comparing dollars of damage or deaths -- its WHO instigated it and WHAT is the purpose. Attempting to draw attention to complaints about police violence (R. King; Floyd); or to perceived police violence/racism (BLM riots) - and injuring, killing or destroying things in the process is bad. BUT it's not nearly as bad as trying to subvert our entire form of government and how power is transferred in the friggin' presidential election. Do you see the difference now? It's not about dollars, deaths and injuries -- it's about the goal, purpose, aims and cause (ie. Trump's big lie and attempt to remain in power; abusing his bully pulpit and the election process; misleading the uneducated masses and resulting in the capitol riot). The Portland guys have no real goals or aims other than generally sowing chaos/anarchy. At the end of the day -- it won't really matter that much and isn't an attack on the foundational aspects of our system of government. One final point -- since you seem to harp on the majority of people in the capitol riot not behaving badly. I agree that's true -- BUT you can say the same thing in Portland and other violent riots. Usually there is a minority of dozens to hundreds that are doing most of the "bad" stuff. The rest of the people "in attendance" are not -- it is pretty much the same in just about any riot. There is a group of "bigger troublemakers" - the rest are watching or chanting or whatever. Then a dozen guys peel off and start lighting fires and stuff - which creates more havoc. Is it 100% of the riot attendees? -- no.
March 14, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, caesar said: Yes - but you still miss the larger point (or pretend to miss it). The Rodney King rioters; Martin Luther King rioters, etc. - yes, all much worse damage and destruction - from a purely economic or health perspective. But an attack on the very seat of our government to stop a legitimate ministerial function (certifying an election) -- due to repeated false claims/lies by the guy currently in charge - the President and his minions -- is a billion times worse looked at from the political context and is a threat to our very system of government. Sure riots in poor urban areas (which is where many riots happen) -- result in more property damage and/or deaths from the violence. But the long-term political damage and threat to our democracy are not nearly as significant. It's still the essentially powerless people expressing rage/anger the only way some of them feel they know how. That is, the protestors in urban riots are trying to assert their rights for democracy to participate more in the democratic process -- granted, they are doing so badly and in a disorganized, incoherent fashion (or they are trying to obtain rights they feel they have been denied). The capitol riot was about thwarting the lawful operation of the democratic process and our election - and keeping someone in power due to that person's lies, treachery and disinformation. That's like a 3rd world country - where the dictator sics his minions on others, to stay in power. That's the difference. Although you like to compare -- it is not about comparing dollars of damage or deaths -- its WHO instigated it and WHAT is the purpose. Attempting to draw attention to complaints about police violence (R. King; Floyd); or to perceived police violence/racism (BLM riots) - and injuring, killing or destroying things in the process is bad. BUT it's not nearly as bad as trying to subvert our entire form of government and how power is transferred in the friggin' presidential election. Do you see the difference now? It's not about dollars, deaths and injuries -- it's about the goal, purpose, aims and cause (ie. Trump's big lie and attempt to remain in power; abusing his bully pulpit and the election process; misleading the uneducated masses and resulting in the capitol riot). The Portland guys have no real goals or aims other than generally sowing chaos/anarchy. At the end of the day -- it won't really matter that much and isn't an attack on the foundational aspects of our system of government. One final point -- since you seem to harp on the majority of people in the capitol riot not behaving badly. I agree that's true -- BUT you can say the same thing in Portland and other violent riots. Usually there is a minority of dozens to hundreds that are doing most of the "bad" stuff. The rest of the people "in attendance" are not -- it is pretty much the same in just about any riot. There is a group of "bigger troublemakers" - the rest are watching or chanting or whatever. Then a dozen guys peel off and start lighting fires and stuff - which creates more havoc. Is it 100% of the riot attendees? -- no. I generally agree but let’s be honest that some of the Portland types are absolutely trying to subvert the govt. That’s the entire point and long term goal with the anarchy guys. They simply saw an opportunity to jump on the BLM train and use it to their own benefit. As you say, they are totally disorganized, etc. and essentially not a real significant risk at the strategic general level. The right wing groups are much more dangerous in that regard. Here are some guys talking about this topic. They mix in the softer stuff as well (political correctness, wokeness, etc.).
March 14, 20214 yr 10 hours ago, DrPhilly said: I generally agree but let’s be honest that some of the Portland types are absolutely trying to subvert the govt. That’s the entire point and long term goal with the anarchy guys. They simply saw an opportunity to jump on the BLM train and use it to their own benefit. As you say, they are totally disorganized, etc. and essentially not a real significant risk at the strategic general level. The right wing groups are much more dangerous in that regard. Here are some guys talking about this topic. They mix in the softer stuff as well (political correctness, wokeness, etc.). Also what's missing in Portland is the leader of the country (the president) egging them on and inciting them (as well as US Senators). That's the difference. And the Portland subversion is more general/opaque -- it's not about keeping a specific leader in power or putting someone else in power. It is just against everything - well, because.
March 14, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, caesar said: Also what's missing in Portland is the leader of the country (the president) egging them on and inciting them (as well as US Senators). That's the difference. And the Portland subversion is more general/opaque -- it's not about keeping a specific leader in power or putting someone else in power. It is just against everything - well, because. Yep. They are significantly different though they share a few characteristics. Did you watch the vid?
March 15, 20214 yr Author Capitol rioter boasted he could access powerful weapons to 'take back' country, prosecutors say https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/13/capitol-rioter-weapons-475744 Quote Guy Reffitt, who drove from Texas to Washington, D.C., also said in recorded conversations that he and others were carrying firearms during the siege of the Capitol. He also encouraged his two associates to join the "Texas Three Percenters" militia, according to the messages posted to Telegram. "I have a new security business to circumvent the 2nd Amendment issue," Reffitt told the pair. "Website is under construction but business is licensed with Secretary of State, Texas DPS, and Texas Board of Private Security. We can get ammo and weapons available to law enforcement. We have an interior certified training officer. Join us and lets take back our country. The fight has only just begun." Powerful words from a simple meanderer.
March 15, 20214 yr On 3/13/2021 at 9:58 PM, Kz! said: TLDR Yes, Trump loves the uneducated. Congrats!
March 15, 20214 yr 22 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Yep. They are significantly different though they share a few characteristics. Did you watch the vid? Once you start asking people to watch your b.s. videos, then you sound like Eagle Va FWIW
March 15, 20214 yr 22 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Once you start asking people to watch your b.s. videos, then you sound like Eagle Va FWIW Seriously? Watch it for 4 mins and then let me know if it looks remotely like a conspiracy video. Those two are well respected scholars.
March 15, 20214 yr Author Two men arrested and charged for assaulting Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/15/politics/brian-sicknick-capitol-riot-charges/index.html Quote Julian Elie Khater, 32, of Pennsylvania, and George Pierre Tanios, 39, of West Virginia, are alleged to have worked together to spray police, including Sicknick, with a toxic chemical spray during the Capitol riot. Khater called what was in the cannister "bear ****," according to court records, but the Justice Department on Monday said the spray is unknown. Lock 'em up!
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