March 15, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Seriously? Watch it for 4 mins and then let me know if it looks remotely like a conspiracy video. Those two are well respected scholars. The whole conversation was laughable.
March 15, 20214 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: The whole conversation was laughable. The whole conversation in here or in the video?
March 15, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: The whole conversation in here or in the video? Was the video a parody?
March 15, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Was the video a parody? Did you have anything constructive to say about anything in particular or did you just want to pretend you watched it?
March 15, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Did you have anything constructive to say about anything in particular or did you just want to pretend you watched it? Comparing violent white supremacists to "woke culture” (real or imagined) isn’t as smart as you think. It’s actually Ron Johnson level silliness.
March 15, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Comparing violent white supremacists to "woke culture” (real or imagined) isn’t as smart as you think. It’s actually Ron Johnson level silliness. Honestly, these two very smart scholars make far far more sense then you do Dave. Comparing these guys thoughts to flat earth conspiracy theories is far sillier than anything they have said in this video. Happy to read some actual critical assessment of some of their points if you want to take the time to put a few actual together. Or you can just stick to the straw man stuff if you like. btw - Are you calling these two gentlemen dumb/silly? Are you actually putting them in the same boat as Ron Johnson?
March 15, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Honestly, these two very smart scholars make far far more sense then you do Dave. Comparing these guys thoughts to flat earth conspiracy theories is far sillier than anything they have said in this video. Happy to read some actual critical assessment of some of their points if you want to take the time to put a few actual together. Or you can just stick to the straw man stuff if you like. btw - Are you calling these two gentlemen dumb/silly? Are you actually putting them in the same boat as Ron Johnson? Give your doctorate back Mr. Philly.
March 15, 20214 yr Just now, Paul852 said: Give your doctorate back Mr. Philly. That will forever be Dr to you Paul,
March 15, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Honestly, these two very smart scholars make far far more sense then you do Dave. Comparing these guys thoughts to flat earth conspiracy theories is far sillier than anything they have said in this video. Happy to read some actual critical assessment of some of their points if you want to take the time to put a few actual together. Or you can just stick to the straw man stuff if you like. btw - Are you calling these two gentlemen dumb/silly? Are you actually putting them in the same boat as Ron Johnson? You’re the one I compared to Eagle Va for the record. Not the two "scholars.” yes, I think comparing terrorists to the woke culture nuts is Ron Johnson type behavior. If you’re going to compare the insurrectionists to someone there’s John Brown or Nathaniel Bacon or any number of people who have committed acts of terrorism. what’s next: comparing Osama bin Laden to Martin Luther King?
March 15, 20214 yr 13 minutes ago, Gannan said: Another meandering guy with car keys... The amount of economic anxiety given off in that selfie is palpable.
March 15, 20214 yr Just now, Dave Moss said: You’re the one I compared to Eagle Va for the record. Not the two "scholars.” yes, I think comparing terrorists to the woke culture nuts is Ron Johnson type behavior. If you’re going to compare the insurrectionists to someone there’s John Brown or Nathaniel Bacon or any number of people who have committed acts of terrorism. Well ok. I guess you're the authority here. I mean for sure woke Moss is the intellect who we should listen to not these Ron Johnson level silly guys below (details straight from wikipedia). After all Moss lives on a college campus. All hail Moss! Glenn Loury - First African American tenured professor of economics in the history of Harvard and currently Professor of both Social Sciences Economics at Brown. Glenn has a BA from Northwestern and a PhD from MIT. Author of several books, has testified before Congress, etc. etc. John Mcwhorter - Professor of Comp Lit and Linguistics at Columbia. Has a BA Rutgers, MA NYU, and PhD Standford and is an author of countless articles in newspapers and magazines.
March 15, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Well ok. I guess you're the authority here. I mean for sure woke Moss is the intellect who we should listen to not these Ron Johnson level silly guys below (details straight from wikipedia). After all Moss lives on a college campus. All hail Moss! Glenn Loury - First African American tenured professor of economics in the history of Harvard and currently Professor of both Social Sciences Economics at Brown. Glenn has a BA from Northwestern and a PhD from MIT. Author of several books, has testified before Congress, etc. etc. John Mcwhorter - Professor of Comp Lit and Linguistics at Columbia. Has a BA Rutgers, MA NYU, and PhD Standford and is an author of countless articles in newspapers and magazines. Oh, he has an Economics degree? Well, my apologies. He must be an expert then.
March 15, 20214 yr 30 minutes ago, Gannan said: Another meandering guy with car keys... just some very fine people.
March 15, 20214 yr 6 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Oh, he has an Economics degree? Well, my apologies. He must be an expert then. You've compared him/them to Ron Johnson and to flat earth conspiracies and now belittle their degrees and professional achievement. Do tell why I should listen to your judgement instead of their assessments? What gives you the edge in credibility? btw - You've still not actually mentioned one real point of detail. That seems to be your modus operandi. Just agitate with some high level buzz type rhetoric but nothing of any substance.
March 15, 20214 yr 44 minutes ago, Gannan said: Another meandering guy with car keys... I wonder what tipped them off that that guy was a Nautzie sympathizer.
March 15, 20214 yr On 3/14/2021 at 1:35 PM, DrPhilly said: Yep. They are significantly different though they share a few characteristics. Did you watch the vid? Protest movements often share characteristics, yes. It's up to us as individuals to listen and say "Okay, that protest over there is a bunch of people who've historically seen their human rights minimized, seeking equality within their country" and " this other protest seeks to 'take their country back' from those seeking equality because they feel a superior entitlement to exclusive ownership of the country". Both might be carrying signs...both might break windows...but no. Not the same. But honestly, I don't know what the "scholars" say that's so brilliant. I hear the repetition of some half-explained threat to our "intellectual, artistic, and moral culture." by the left. And I hear them say how THAT threat is an equal threat as an armed, insurrectionist right wing movement. Firstly, that's just silly. And secondly, we had decades of conservative-leaning "intellectual, artistic, and moral culture". Just watch any movies, TV, and media up until like, the late 1960's. It's just that we declared that culture to be "correct" and then we declared any culture subsequent to that to be "politically correct". For example here's a paraphrased quote from one of them: "We have this extreme left element that is muzzling major institutions, making people pretend to believe things that they don’t. Of course there are right wing institutions. But are the violent right taking over institutions in a similar way?" Within that line of thinking, he establishes that, yes of course right-leaning institutions exist. But they're normal. When an institution (whatever the F he means by that) is driven left, he attributes it to the "extreme left" - not normal left. Not left-leaning students or organizers. Not the continual momentum of generations of civil rights work. But the "extreme left". Which, to him, is on an equal plane as far right extremists. And right there, you remove the mask of having an unbiased opinion of the matter. Sure, maybe the media coverage of the BLM protests -and any social change that followed- was different from the insurrectionists. But BLM had hundreds, if not thousands of protests that had nothing to do with the mess in Portland. And most of all, BLM didn't assemble at the behest of conspiracy theorists, and didn't riot to shut down an election to install a dictator. These guys dabble in the "both sides" space that you like to play in. And they're not crazy, foaming at the mouth, so I can see why you'd share them. But I don't think they're adding anything new to the conversation that we can't get from....I dunno....The Norseman.
March 15, 20214 yr 36 minutes ago, Lloyd said: Protest movements often share characteristics, yes. It's up to us as individuals to listen and say "Okay, that protest over there is a bunch of people who've historically seen their human rights minimized, seeking equality within their country" and " this other protest seeks to 'take their country back' from those seeking equality because they feel a superior entitlement to exclusive ownership of the country". Both might be carrying signs...both might break windows...but no. Not the same. Right but the thing Ceaser and I were discussing in here was that there were elements (not the main group but the fringe) of the protesters on the West Coast whose aim is/was to essentially dismantle the govt. I put these guys up as a way to offer a different perspective. If you read what I posted I was discussing the Antifa element specifically and not the BLM part of it. 36 minutes ago, Lloyd said: For example here's a paraphrased quote from one of them: "We have this extreme left element that is muzzling major institutions, making people pretend to believe things that they don’t. Of course there are right wing institutions. But are the violent right taking over institutions in a similar way?" Within that line of thinking, he establishes that, yes of course right-leaning institutions exist. But they're normal. When an institution (whatever the F he means by that) is driven left, he attributes it to the "extreme left" - not normal left. Not left-leaning students or organizers. Not the continual momentum of generations of civil rights work. But the "extreme left". Which, to him, is on an equal plane as far right extremists. And right there, you remove the mask of having an unbiased opinion of the matter. Sure, maybe the media coverage of the BLM protests -and any social change that followed- was different from the insurrectionists. But BLM had hundreds, if not thousands of protests that had nothing to do with the mess in Portland. And most of all, BLM didn't assemble at the behest of conspiracy theorists, and didn't riot to shut down an election to install a dictator. These guys dabble in the "both sides" space that you like to play in. And they're not crazy, foaming at the mouth, so I can see why you'd share them. But I don't think they're adding anything new to the conversation that we can't get from....I dunno....The Norseman. First, the discussion went further to discuss which of these groups were wielding more power given the types of institutions they were taking over. They concluded that it was the left but of course one can debate that. He/they never once said anything that would lead one to think "right leaning institutions" are "normal" as far as I remember. Please point out here if I'm wrong. As for the institutions he is talking about universities and media in large part and yes their argument is that it is the far left that is leading that charge and I agree 100%. It isn't biased to say that the activists are the ones driving the takeover instead of them just setting the agenda as was the case earlier. Second, the entire point with putting these guys in here was so that you could see and hear it from a credible source and not The Norseman who by the way mixes in 90% of pure ridiculousness with whatever 10% he might push out that is worth reading. The new part is that you get to listen to people represent a view with obvious credibility and legitimacy. I don't agree with everything that they say but we can at least stay away from attacking them personally. These are some real sharp guys. They have long discussions with people like Nehisi Coates and Sam Harris that one can watch if one is interested. They aren't dopes. Far from it. They are some of the people out there really thinking deeply and discussing various views with lots of others in an open and professional manner. Yet in here we throw up a one sentence response putting them in the same boat as a person like Ron Johnson.
March 15, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Lloyd said: Protest movements often share characteristics, yes. It's up to us as individuals to listen and say "Okay, that protest over there is a bunch of people who've historically seen their human rights minimized, seeking equality within their country" and " this other protest seeks to 'take their country back' from those seeking equality because they feel a superior entitlement to exclusive ownership of the country". Both might be carrying signs...both might break windows...but no. Not the same. But honestly, I don't know what the "scholars" say that's so brilliant. I hear the repetition of some half-explained threat to our "intellectual, artistic, and moral culture." by the left. And I hear them say how THAT threat is an equal threat as an armed, insurrectionist right wing movement. Firstly, that's just silly. And secondly, we had decades of conservative-leaning "intellectual, artistic, and moral culture". Just watch any movies, TV, and media up until like, the late 1960's. It's just that we declared that culture to be "correct" and then we declared any culture subsequent to that to be "politically correct". For example here's a paraphrased quote from one of them: "We have this extreme left element that is muzzling major institutions, making people pretend to believe things that they don’t. Of course there are right wing institutions. But are the violent right taking over institutions in a similar way?" Within that line of thinking, he establishes that, yes of course right-leaning institutions exist. But they're normal. When an institution (whatever the F he means by that) is driven left, he attributes it to the "extreme left" - not normal left. Not left-leaning students or organizers. Not the continual momentum of generations of civil rights work. But the "extreme left". Which, to him, is on an equal plane as far right extremists. And right there, you remove the mask of having an unbiased opinion of the matter. Sure, maybe the media coverage of the BLM protests -and any social change that followed- was different from the insurrectionists. But BLM had hundreds, if not thousands of protests that had nothing to do with the mess in Portland. And most of all, BLM didn't assemble at the behest of conspiracy theorists, and didn't riot to shut down an election to install a dictator. These guys dabble in the "both sides" space that you like to play in. And they're not crazy, foaming at the mouth, so I can see why you'd share them. But I don't think they're adding anything new to the conversation that we can't get from....I dunno....The Norseman. Yeah, the point those guys seem to miss is that the extremists on the Right don’t have to violently overthrow institutions... ...unless of course they lose an election. The fringe left that Dr. Philly is so scared of isn’t impacted in the same way.
March 15, 20214 yr Author Two minutes into the video, we have have, riots and the autonomous zone being compared to insurrection as if they are equivalent situations. Do you people miss that breaking into Congress to stop them from counting the votes is the frigging crime? The damage, the violence and death was frigging incidental. Horrific, in cases, but not the real heart of the crime. Attempting to topple the government because a whiny bish and his idiot followers can't accept that they lost.
March 15, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, paco said: Two men arrested and charged for assaulting Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick yeah, but thank god they weren't BLM activists.
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