May 20, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: "Provide for the common defense". It's right there in the pre-amble. Sure, it sucks that we have to do it in this case, but that's what happens when these radical terrorist elements are still festering. 10 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Yep. It's a shame we have domestic terrorists who want to hang politicians but what are you going to do. It is what it is. With that kind of coin, a whole lot more domestic terrorists and traitors to democracy are gonna die of lead poisoning.
May 20, 20214 yr 28 minutes ago, Kz! said: 1.9 billion with a B. How retarded do you have to be to support something like this? 21 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: It costs money to protect ourselves from terrorists. 13 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: "Provide for the common defense". It's right there in the pre-amble. Sure, it sucks that we have to do it in this case, but that's what happens when these radical terrorist elements are still festering. 12 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Yep. It's a shame we have domestic terrorists who want to hang politicians but what are you going to do. It is what it is. Exactly this retarded.
May 20, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, Kz! said: Exactly this retarded. Take it up with the founders, Commie.
May 20, 20214 yr @Kz!, seeing as you are posting his tweets in the miscellaneous liberal thread, I will post his tweets in this thread. Thanks for hooking me up with a voice of reason like Elijah Schaffer.
May 20, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: Exactly this retarded. Hey man, we know you're cheering for the terrorists. Sorry, you're on the wrong side.
May 20, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Take it up with the founders, Commie. I used to wonder what kind of insane psycho would be despicable enough to fund terrorism. Now I know.
May 20, 20214 yr 12 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I used to wonder what kind of insane psycho would be despicable enough to fund terrorism. Now I know. Kz's emotions on Jan 6th Early in the day, leading into the afternoon . The evening
May 20, 20214 yr 17 minutes ago, Paul852 said: "Hey man, we know you're cheering for the terrorists. Sorry, you're on the wrong side."
May 20, 20214 yr Sounds like the House of Representatives have gone from De-Fund to Re-Fund the Police. Good move by them. Now once they feel safe, they are obligated to spread that safe feeling to every corner of the USA, by ensuring adequate federal subsidies to all under-funded law enforcement agencies. I look forward to that decisive action and the peace of mind it will bring all Americans. I mean, they will do it quickly, right?
May 20, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, PoconoDon said: Sounds like the House of Representatives have gone from De-Fund to Re-Fund the Police. Good move by them. Now once they feel safe, they are obligated to spread that safe feeling to every corner of the USA, by ensuring adequate federal subsidies to all under-funded law enforcement agencies. I look forward to that decisive action and the peace of mind it will bring all Americans. I mean, they will do it quickly, right? Now that's the spirit.
May 20, 20214 yr Just now, PoconoDon said: Sounds like the House of Representatives have gone from De-Fund to Re-Fund the Police. Good move by them. Now once they feel safe, they are obligated to spread that safe feeling to every corner of the USA, by ensuring adequate federal subsidies to all under-funded law enforcement agencies. I look forward to that decisive action and the peace of mind it will bring all Americans. I mean, they will do it quickly, right? Is that the job of the Feds? Or is it up to municipalities and states to raise taxes to pay for it?
May 20, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Is that the job of the Feds? Or is it up to municipalities and states to raise taxes to pay for it? I think it's part of providing for the "common defense" as it was so eloquently referenced earlier. Given the persistent inability to raise sufficient taxes at the municipal and state levels for decades, it's in the public's best interest to ensure proper funding is in place. I'd say yes it is the Fed's job to serve us to the best of their ability.
May 20, 20214 yr along with better pay, the police need more strict hiring requirements and better training once hired.
May 20, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, mr_hunt said: along with better pay, the police need more strict hiring requirements and better training once hired. Truer words were never spoken or written.
May 20, 20214 yr 1 minute ago, PoconoDon said: I think it's part of providing for the "common defense" as it was so eloquently referenced earlier. Given the persistent inability to raise sufficient taxes at the municipal and state levels for decades, it's in the public's best interest to ensure proper funding is in place. I'd say yes it is the Fed's job to serve us to the best of their ability. I have no problem with the Feds doing it from a spending standpoint. Like you point out, I already said it's a fundamental expenditure. But it kind of feels like a bailout for local and state conservatives, who promise law and order and simultaneously lower taxes. Being bailed out by the Feds allows them to hold two contradictory points of view and their constituents never get to see the consequences of their ideology since it's just passed off as liberal big government spending by the very conservatives that benefit from it.
May 20, 20214 yr the issue that people won't agree on is where the f the money comes from. good luck getting a consensus on that.
May 20, 20214 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: I have no problem with the Feds doing it from a spending standpoint. Like you point out, I already said it's a fundamental expenditure. But it kind of feels like a bailout for local and state conservatives, who promise law and order and simultaneously lower taxes. Being bailed out by the Feds allows them to hold two contradictory points of view and their constituents never get to see the consequences of their ideology since it's just passed off as liberal big government spending by the very conservatives that benefit from it. Provide proper oversight (not road blocks but effective oversight) to the spending and your worries should evaporate. Make sure the spending goes where it's intended to go. I've seen the impact of differing political ideologies on law enforcement over the years. Generally, from the Officers' perspective, they tend to do better under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Ultimately though, I don't see professional law enforcement and the safety it provides as a partisan issue. Everyone should benefit.
May 20, 20214 yr 15 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Provide proper oversight (not road blocks but effective oversight) to the spending and your worries should evaporate. Make sure the spending goes where it's intended to go. I've seen the impact of differing political ideologies on law enforcement over the years. Generally, from the Officers' perspective, they tend to do better under Republican administrations than Democratic ones. Ultimately though, I don't see professional law enforcement and the safety it provides as a partisan issue. Everyone should benefit. Right, and that's fine, but I'm not talking about oversight, I'm talking about specifically where the funds come from. It's an easy out for municipalities/states to ask the Feds for more money out of one side of their mouths and then use Federal spending/big government as the boogyman that helps them politically out of the other side of their mouths. Basically, they reap all of the political reward with none of the risk. Meanwhile, if they actually raise taxes to pay for it, their constituents are forced to see a direct 1-to-1 comparison of their money and what they're getting for it.
May 20, 20214 yr 10 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Right, and that's fine, but I'm not talking about oversight, I'm talking about specifically where the funds come from. It's an easy out for municipalities/states to ask the Feds for more money out of one side of their mouths and then use Federal spending/big government as the boogyman that helps them politically out of the other side of their mouths. Basically, they reap all of the political reward with none of the risk. Meanwhile, if they actually raise taxes to pay for it, their constituents are forced to see a direct 1-to-1 comparison of their money and what they're getting for it. You raise a fair point regarding how subsidies may be used from a political perspective, but that shouldn't have any effect. Whatever side you're on, make an effective counter argument and you're fine. That's politics and that game should be played in the political arena. Those subsidies have been around for a long time and aren't going anywhere. I'm just suggesting that the House do for everyone else what they've done for themselves. On this subject, I think it's important to put down the party flag and do what's in everyone's best interest. Communities with inadequate, unprofessional, and/or just plain poor police services deserve better. In fact, they deserve the same peace of mind that the House of Representatives enjoys.
May 20, 20214 yr Author It should be clear to anyone right now, that the Capitol security is all but non-existent. Museum security at a third rate museum in Hoboken. When you can take away LE gear, use it to break in windows, and shirtless jagoffs with horned hats (that only eats organic, vegan meals) can chant and bellow freely while other turdflakes, mostly LE or military wannabees, walk around zip cuffs and bear spray, and it is only through the slimmest of margins that the "meandering tourists" did not catch say the person they came to hang, or a liberal, especially Pelosi, you can't say you really have any security at all. Kudos to the poor **** on duty confronting that mob, some of them are dead now and you can't pretend this had nothing to do with it. A USAF, active non-comm was shot and killed, violating her oath as she climbed through a broken window to stop a constitutional process of election vote certification. The election was over. The votes were cast and duly counted. The states turned over results. It was over. It just had to be processed. There was no legal way for Mike Pence to block Biden's win. None. He knew it. Looking at that mob of angry losers managing to make it into the rotunda waving flags to things beside the United States of America, the police standing there, Ds in their hands, because they were hung out to dry. No response. And yet here will still have pathetic, low life, traitor loving, insurrection licking, seditionist scumbags defending it and the bloated POS that urged them to do it while he cut and run, like a puss. Pathetic. You make me sick. I'm a veteran that loves the USA, despite the flaws.
May 20, 20214 yr 6 hours ago, jsdarkstar said: These Trumplicans should all be arrested and charged with Sedition. 7 rural counties in Oregon that voted for Trump have voted to secede from the blue state and join Idaho Let em do it. Idaho is a right to work state. The minimum wage for a tipped employee is $3.25 per hour. I am sure they will regret it quickly.
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