March 13, 20241 yr 3 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's just politics. You get the things you want through based on leverage. Reps have leverage on this right now but they won't have any the next time there's a Republican president. And based on the type of candidates you guys have been putting up lately, that president will undoubtable be an incompetent disaster that won't know how to reach across the aisle. If Trump just reimplemented the EO's Biden reversed on day one of his presidency it would far exceed any dubious benefit the lol "border bill" would theoretically bring. Hell, Biden could reimplement them right now. But he won't and we all know why. I know, I know, "but have you considered both sides are equally responsible?"
March 13, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It's just politics. You get the things you want through based on leverage. Reps have leverage on this right now but they won't have any the next time there's a Republican president. And based on the type of candidates you guys have been putting up lately, that president will undoubtable be an incompetent disaster that won't know how to reach across the aisle. Yes, it’s the politics of the Democrats to hold the country hostage to mass illegal immigration, then not solve illegal immigration in any meaningful way when they are in power, and then sabotage it when they are not in power. And yet, even after admitting this, you will continue to claim that both sides are equally responsible.
March 13, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: I hate it because it doesn’t solve anything for our border. If all the Democrats wanted in return for a bill which was actually effective was Ukraine funding, sure, easy trade is enthusiastically support. Instead the bill is really an Ukraine funding bill pretending to be a border security bill. It’s completely bad faith and ineffective. It doesn’t even force anything to be done until an average of 5,000 daily encounters. Thats over 1,800,000 encounters before the law even forces anything to be done. "Any bill that doesn't allow for the mass execution of migrants by machine gun fire doesn't actually solve anything!"
March 13, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, TEW said: Yes, it’s the politics of the Democrats to hold the country hostage to mass illegal immigration, then not solve illegal immigration in any meaningful way when they are in power, and then sabotage it when they are not in power. You just described what Republicans are doing right now to a tee.
March 13, 20241 yr 1 minute ago, VanHammersly said: You just described what Republicans are doing right now to a tee. He's literally is too stupid to process the fact that the "border bill" doesn't do anything to significantly curtail crossings and actually incentivizes them in some cases. That's why you shouldn't argue with him. Just call him an idiot and move on.
March 13, 20241 yr 25 minutes ago, TEW said: The bill didn’t even allow the "emergency measures” to be enacted until daily "encounters” at the border reach an average of 4,000. That means we could have 1,459,635 "encounters” in a year and the bill’s emergency measures wouldn’t even come into effect. 14 minutes ago, TEW said: It doesn’t even force anything to be done until an average of 5,000 daily encounters. Thats over 1,800,000 encounters before the law even forces anything to be done. Oh man, it already went up 25% in the past 12 minutes? At this rate the threshold will be 75k daily encounters by tomorrow morning. We need to address this immediately!
March 13, 20241 yr On 3/12/2024 at 3:15 PM, mikemack8 said: Average IQ of 67? They'll fit right in with the liberals who are begging for them to come in Consider this with the appropriate regard its academic rigor deserves, which is reviewing the first three google results for IQ by country but only one has a result for Haiti, and it’s showing it at 96. That’s good enough to raise the average in a few states:
March 13, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: 100% false. The reforms to asylum, getting people out faster, funding of border agents, etc, happen regardless of the emergency measures. And in December there were over 8K encounters a day, so we'd hit the 4K threshold likely on day 1. I realize you have to pretend like it sucks but it was a gift to the hardline immigration right (and largely written by them) and Trump squashed it to try and desperately keep himself out of prison. You freaks should hate the dude for it but you don't because you're willing to cut off your nose to spite your face. It "processes” people faster. If they are deported or allowed to stay is an open question, which is exactly the problem. Processing them and giving them legal asylum status faster is bad, not good.
March 13, 20241 yr Just now, TEW said: It "processes” people faster. If they are deported or allowed to stay is an open question, which is exactly the problem. Processing them and giving them legal asylum status faster is bad, not good. It makes the threshold they need to clear to be approved for asylum higher. It would undoubtably get more people out and get them out faster. Add in more funding for border agents, ICE, and the emergency measures and there's absolutely no reason, outside of a political one, that anyone who held a hardline on immigration wouldn't want this bill.
March 13, 20241 yr Just now, TEW said: It "processes” people faster. If they are deported or allowed to stay is an open question, which is exactly the problem. Processing them and giving them legal asylum status faster is bad, not good. It's a damn shame that no Republicans have tried to propose any bills that would change the laws regarding seeking aslyum to your satisfaction. Even when they controlled the both chambers of congress, the white house and had a majority of conservatives on the SCOTUS. There must be a reason for this, surely!
March 13, 20241 yr 13 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Oh man, it already went up 25% in the past 12 minutes? At this rate the threshold will be 75k daily encounters by tomorrow morning. We need to address this immediately! no, you moron. The bill "allows” the emergency measures to be enacted at 4,000 daily encounters and "requires” the emergency measures at 5,000. If you weren’t a blithering idiot and actually knew what you were talking about, you might understand this.
March 13, 20241 yr 8 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: It makes the threshold they need to clear to be approved for asylum higher. It would undoubtably get more people out and get them out faster. Add in more funding for border agents, ICE, and the emergency measures and there's absolutely no reason, outside of a political one, that anyone who held a hardline on immigration wouldn't want this bill. It changes the language of the threshold, but does not impose an objective threshold. The interpretation of such language is subjective and not objective. So, for instance, someone can claim asylum and the bill might say if moving to a different location in your own country would satisfy your safety then you don’t get asylum. But it’s still at the discretion of bureaucrats to make that determination. Which means it will inevitably be rubber stamped by democrat bureaucrats.
March 13, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, TEW said: It changes the language of the threshold, but does not impose an objective threshold. The interpretation of such language is subjective and not objective. So, for instance, someone can claim asylum and the bill might say if moving to a different location in your own country would satisfy your safety then you don’t get asylum. But it’s still at the discretion of bureaucrats to make that determination. Which means it will inevitably be rubber stamped by democrat bureaucrats. Quote The bill raises the standard for being able to claim asylum as decided at the initial screening interview stage when an asylum officer determines whether an individual can progress to making an asylum claim. Instead of being required to establish a "significant possibility” that their asylum claim would prevail, asylum seekers would need to establish a "reasonable possibility,” which is a higher bar to meet. This standard is already used for other forms of humanitarian relief, in what’s known as a "reasonable fear interview.” In 2023, 65 percent of people passed their "credible fear interviews” for asylum, while 44 percent passed "reasonable fear interviews” subject to the "reasonable possibility” standard. https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/analysis-senate-border-bill#:~:text=What This Bill Would Do&text=The "trigger” authority—called,them to apply for asylum. Less people would be approved. And faster. You can want more in subsequent bills, but being against this bill is pure self-defeating politics.
March 16, 20241 yr Americans losing their jobs to this crap in Iowa and other places. Screw Tyson. A freaking job fair for illegals... .
March 16, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Americans losing their jobs to this crap in Iowa and other places. Screw Tyson. A freaking job fair for illegals... . The meat processing industry is beyond F'ed up in so many ways.
March 16, 20241 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: The meat processing industry is beyond F'ed up in so many ways. It is and those are jobs many don't want but there are factories in Iowa and such where the small towns depend on them.
March 16, 20241 yr 4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: It is and those are jobs many don't want but there are factories in Iowa and such where the small towns depend on them. Agreed. Just the safety records are atrocious. I believe these companies keep the safety and employee working conditions low on purpose so they attract the type of laborers that are willing to work for low wages, in addition to the capital savings of not improving these conditions.
March 16, 20241 yr where are all these Americans racing to work in meat packing plants? personally I'd be fine paying more for chicken/etc if that was what it took to get these plants safe and its employees appropriately compensated, but look at the political atmosphere out there: people are apoplectic over food prices already, and with bird flu and chicken shortages seeing chicken price increases outpace other foodstuffs it would become the primary driver. lots of people want to keep jobs "filled by Americans" and to improve the quality of the jobs in places like this, but they also want cheap chicken. you can have one or the other. not both. if you want "Americans" to have "good jobs" in places like Tyson food plants, you also need to be ok with chicken breasts at *gasp* $3.99/lb or more. to me, it seems like most people are all about "buy American" and "keep Americans working" until it costs them at the register, then they're ready to start a revolution and storm the Capitol.
March 16, 20241 yr 7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: where are all these Americans racing to work in meat packing plants? personally I'd be fine paying more for chicken/etc if that was what it took to get these plants safe and its employees appropriately compensated, but look at the political atmosphere out there: people are apoplectic over food prices already, and with bird flu and chicken shortages seeing chicken price increases outpace other foodstuffs it would become the primary driver. lots of people want to keep jobs "filled by Americans" and to improve the quality of the jobs in places like this, but they also want cheap chicken. you can have one or the other. not both. if you want "Americans" to have "good jobs" in places like Tyson food plants, you also need to be ok with chicken breasts at *gasp* $3.99/lb or more. to me, it seems like most people are all about "buy American" and "keep Americans working" until it costs them at the register, then they're ready to start a revolution and storm the Capitol. For me it's not about people racing to work there so much as those who already depend on it. https://www.weareiowa.com/article/news/local/tyson-foods-pork-plant-employee-layoffs-closure/524-f73a51ba-6aed-4fc6-90b7-7b971cf345a7 "The Tyson Foods closure announcement took many in Perry by surprise, with one employee telling Local 5: "It all happened very suddenly." We agree on the safety measures issues. We also agree businesses are in a tough spot. Supporting this isn't something I can get on board with, though.
March 16, 20241 yr Unfortunately small towns with a single dominant employer are especially vulnerable to things like this. Pork demand is falling off while chicken demand is increasing. Towns need to diversity a bit. I'm not blaming anybody, it's hard for small towns to truly diversify, but it's the way it's always been with places like this.
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