2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

To defend a wife beating human trafficking member of MS-13? Yeah.

If they rounded this guy up and said "Hey we are deporting this guy because he is a violent gang member" you'd have something. They didn't. They said they made a mistake. Then after this guy likely got killed in prison, they are trying to cover their ass by finding any reason they can to justify it.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No, he was ordered not to be deported there but could have been to other countries. That went out the window after the terror designation.

Dude. Try to keep up. SCOTUS ruled that all individuals must receive the due process they have a right to receive. It really is that simple and whether he was actually in the gang or not has no impact on those rights. The AEA does not change that as ruled on by SCOTUS.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dems, media, people here

It's more about the idea that the president doesn't have to abide by the courts. And the idea that a US citizen could be sent to a foreign gulag with no trial (as Trump is suggesting) is some Soviet Union ish.

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

If they rounded this guy up and said "Hey we are deporting this guy because he is a violent gang member" you'd have something. They didn't. They said they made a mistake. Then after this guy likely got killed in prison, they are trying to cover their ass by finding any reason they can to justify it.

Like showing that he was, in fact, an MS13 gang banger and a wife beater.

27 minutes ago, Kz! said:

The most outrageous part of this entire story is that the judiciary allowed this violent scumbag to stay in the US in the first place. The only reason he wasn't deported years ago is because some scum judge decided he might be murdered by a rival gang if he got sent home. So just release him here and play Russian roulette with the lives of Americans he lives around. That should be the real scandal.

I think if everyone took a step back from partisan politics they'd see the absolute utter absurdity of our government's efforts to keep people like him in the country. We truly have evil, malicious rulers.

LOLOLOLOLOL

You don't have any mirrors in your house do you?

1 minute ago, Kz! said:

Like showing that he was, in fact, an MS13 gang banger and a wife beater.

Then why did they say they made an error? What evidence did they present proving his gang affiliation? They didn't even know about the domestic abuse thing until the guy was already deported.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dems, media, people here

The ones discussing this with you are not doing that. Everyone here is arguing the lack of proper process.

Bring him before an immigration judge, review the evidence, and make a ruling. If that is to deport then deport him somewhere. If that needs to be El Salvador then the immigration courts would also need to rule to reverse the ruling that currently doesn’t allow him to be sent to El Salvador. Follow the rules bad guy or not.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

The ones discussing this with you are not doing that. Everyone here is arguing the lack of proper process.

Bring him before an immigration judge, review the evidence, and make a ruling. If that is to deport then deport him somewhere. If that needs to be El Salvador then the immigration courts would also need to rule to reverse the ruling that currently doesn’t allow him to be sent to El Salvador. Follow the rules bad guy or not.

Everyone on that plane got the same due process.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/04/17/kilmar-abrego-garcia-updates-senator-van-hollen-trump/83135761007/

The Maryland senator who traveled here hoping to meet with Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a sheet metal worker who was living in Maryland when he was wrongly deported a month ago, remained steadfast in his efforts to free the father of three.

"I've been in El Salvador all day fighting for the return of Mr. Abrego Garcia," Democratic Sen. Chris Van Hollen said in a social media post late on April 16. "The Trump Admin can lie all they want, but the Court said they failed to show he was part of MS-13. This is about bringing home a man they ADMIT should've never been abducted. I won't rest until then."

Authorities declined to allow Van Hollen to meet with Abrego Garcia, 29, who is being held in a notorious prison here. Earlier that day, the Trump administration again defended the deportation and appealed a court order to "facilitate" his return to the U.S.

"If he ever ends up back inside the United States, he would immediately be deported again," White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters.

Leavitt also raised a series of domestic violence allegations against Abrego Garcia from his wife, Jennifer Vasquez Sura. Among them was a restraining order following a domestic dispute between the pair. According to the court order from 2021, Abrego "punched and scratched” Vasquez Sura, "ripped off shirt, grabbed and bruised her.”

Vasquez Sura told USA TODAY in a statement that she had acted out of caution after a disagreement in filing the temporary protective order, which was closed a month after she filed it, according to Prince George’s County records.

Not everyone barred from visiting prison

Abrego Garcia was sent to El Salvador's Terrorism Confinement Center − CECOT, which has been criticized for its harsh, dangerous conditions. Van Hollen said he spoke with the vice president of El Salvador, Félix Ulloa, and asked for a meeting but was refused. He also said he hasn't been able to access the infamous prison – or even speak to Abrego Garcia by phone.

Some U.S. lawmakers, however, had no problem touring CECOT. Republicans Rep. Riley Moore of West Virginia, and Rep. Jason Smith of Missouri posted photos on social media from inside the prison on April 15.

"I just toured the CECOT prison in El Salvador. This maximum security facility houses the country’s most brutal criminals, including murderers, rapists, pedophiles, and terrorists," Moore wrote. "Several inmates were extremely violent criminals recently deported from the U.S.

"I leave now even more determined to support President Trump’s efforts to secure our homeland."

Smith was dismissive of Van Hollen's efforts to free Abrego Garcia: "It is unconscionable that Democrats in Congress are urging the release of more foreign criminals back into our country."

8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Dems, media, people here

Maybe someone in here but I don’t know who that might be. The only people talking about Garcia and his actions that I see are you and the other TBots.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Everyone on that plane got the same due process.

Which was zero

30 minutes ago, Kz! said:

The most outrageous part of this entire story is that the judiciary allowed this violent scumbag to stay in the US in the first place. The only reason he wasn't deported years ago is because some scum judge decided he might be murdered by a rival gang if he got sent home. So just release him here and play Russian roulette with the lives of Americans he lives around. That should be the real scandal.

I think if everyone took a step back from partisan politics they'd see the absolute utter absurdity of our government's efforts to keep people like him in the country. We truly have evil, malicious rulers.

So ICE knew he was a violent scumbag MS-13 member in 2019, and yet didn't appeal the withholding of removal order. Strange..... It's almost as if they knew that the "evidence" they had of him being a gang member was flimsy at best, written up by a detective who was suspended shortly afterwards. And nothing was stopping them from deporting him to another country. If he was the dangerous person the administration claims he is, then why wasn't he deported in 2019?

5 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

The ones discussing this with you are not doing that. Everyone here is arguing the lack of proper process.

Bring him before an immigration judge, review the evidence, and make a ruling. If that is to deport then deport him somewhere. If that needs to be El Salvador then the immigration courts would also need to rule to reverse the ruling that currently doesn’t allow him to be sent to El Salvador. Follow the rules bad guy or not.

Why is it so hard for some people to understand this very simple concept?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Everyone on that plane got the same due process.

Yeah and SCOTUS ruled that they all had a right to it. They can all claim habeas now. Garcia is special due to the admin error made by the WH on top of the lack of due process plus he wasn’t deported under AEA.

btw - You are aware that Garcia was NOT deported under AEA, right?

Just now, Diehardfan said:

It sure seems whomever it was at the DOJ who said they made a mistake was as incompetent as the guy they fired last week. Maybe it was the same person I don't know, but they sure seemed to drop the ball. At the end of the day he got the same due process as the others on that plane and they got it correct despite the efforts of some like Gannon who say they have no proof.

Because MS-13 gang members are generally cool with people wearing their colors who aren't members and hanging with them just before being arrested with drugs. The story from TN about trafficking is also something that happens to people who aren't in gangs.

for the sake of arguments, i'm going with the thought that this guy should be shipped out. again, just do it the right way and we wouldn't be here right now dealing with this nonsense.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Yeah and SCOTUS ruled that they all had a right to it. They can all claim habeas now. Garcia is special due to the admin error made by the WH on top of the lack of due process plus he wasn’t deported under AEA.

btw - You are aware that Garcia was NOT deported under AEA, right?

Someone is going to have to define what due process means because we do not have a defined process and it will not be nor should it be everyone getting a court hearing with 20 to 30 million illegals here. Honestly, this all BS to keep them here.

8 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Which was zero

Good. Do it 20-30 million more times.

5 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Why is it so hard for some people to understand this very simple concept?

Anytime something like this comes around I think of this quote which I think explains it pretty well.

In this instance, Garcia is the "people", the deportation is the "event", and the concept of due process rights is the "ideas".

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Someone is going to have to define what due process means because we do not have a defined process and it will not be nor should it be everyone getting a court hearing with 20 to 30 million illegals here. Honestly, this all BS to keep them here.

There are well defined processes with the details based on the specific situation of the person in question. Citizenship, resident status, etc. all play a part in determining exactly what rights apply to any specific case.

What you call "BS" is what protects everyone in the US from the potential tyranny of the state.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Someone is going to have to define what due process means

Just now, DrPhilly said:

There are well defined processes with the details based on the specific situation of the person in question. Citizenship, resident status, etc. all play a part in determining exactly what rights apply to any specific case.

What you call "BS" is what protects everyone in the US from the potential tyranny of the state.

No, there really isn't past Congress decides according to SCOTUS. They do not have the same rights as US citizens.

1 minute ago, Gannan said:

Yeah, because it isn't the same for illegals. It's up to Congress.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Someone is going to have to define what due process means because we do not have a defined process and it will not be nor should it be everyone getting a court hearing with 20 to 30 million illegals here. Honestly, this all BS to keep them here.

What do you mean someone is going to have to define what due process means? It's long been defined. And the supreme court reaffirmed that in a recent 9-0 decision. If someone is subject to deportation, they must be afforded the opportunity for judicial review of their deportation order. This isn't new.

Just now, Phillyterp85 said:

What do you mean someone is going to have to define what due process means? It's long been defined. And the supreme court reaffirmed that in a recent 9-0 decision. If someone is subject to deportation, they must be afforded the opportunity for judicial review of their deportation order. This isn't new.

It's not actually

Just now, Diehardfan said:

It's not actually

so, you think the radical SC got it wrong at 9-0?