6 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

invaders .... 🤣

yeah....dipsheet is in deep.

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Due process is not the same for illegals as US citizens

You can repeat that lie as often as you'd like, that won't make it true. This has long been held to be the case. The recent supreme court decision is not new. They simply reaffirmed what has been known to be true for decades. And once again, the government has already acknowledged that even illegal immigrants have the right to due process.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

So again that different due process isn't defined clearly

Yes it is. Who is telling you it is not?

7 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes it is. Who is telling you it is not?

The cult leader

15 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

Once again, the very government who's actions you are supporting, has already stated in court that they do have the right to due process. So no, even the government you are cheering on is telling you that you are wrong.

Yeah, and that due process isn't the same as our due process and isn't defined. So again...do some homework

10 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes it is. Who is telling you it is not?

Cool. Spell out exactly what that process is then for illegals. In detail.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

The cult leader

Don’t think I’ve seen anyone say the details aren’t in place. I must not be diving deep enough into the MAGA sewers.

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Don’t think I’ve seen anyone say the details aren’t in place. I must not be diving deep enough into the MAGA sewers.

It's murky as to what actually qualifies in every case as due process. And then the AG can overrule the BIA.

I'm just glad the TDS lunatics in here talking about Jews on trains and this meaning Americans will be deprived of due process were just as outraged when the Jan 6th people were deprived of due process under Biden. Glad there is consistency.

18 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Cool. Spell out exactly what that process is then for illegals. In detail.

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Undocumented immigrants in the US are entitled to due process rights, including the right to a fair hearing, legal representation, and the opportunity to present evidence in their defense. These protections are enshrined in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution. While some immigration court procedures differ from those in criminal courts, undocumented immigrants still have the right to challenge their removal. 

Here's a more detailed look at due process rights for undocumented immigrants:

• Right to a Fair Hearing:

  Undocumented immigrants facing deportation have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge. This hearing allows them to present their case and attempt to avoid removal. 

• Right to Legal Representation:

  Undocumented immigrants have the right to legal representation, and if they cannot afford an attorney, the government is required to provide one. 

• Right to Present Evidence:

  Undocumented immigrants have the right to present evidence, including witnesses and documents, in their defense. 

• Right to Appeal:

  If an immigration judge denies an application for relief from removal, the individual has the right to appeal that decision. 

• Right to Judicial Review:

  In some cases, individuals can also petition for judicial review of a final order of removal, according to LII | Legal Information Institute. 

• Due Process in Detention:

  Individuals in immigration detention are also entitled to certain procedural protections, including the right to be informed of the charges against them and the right to seek judicial review of the detention. 

• Limited Protections:

  While undocumented immigrants generally have due process rights, the extent of those protections may be limited in some cases, such as when the alien has engaged in criminal activity or has been found to be a threat to national security. 

• Exceptions to Due Process:

  There are some exceptions to the general rule that undocumented immigrants are entitled to due process.For example, the government can detain individuals awaiting removal proceedings, and the government may not be required to provide legal representation in all immigration proceedings. 

It's important to remember that immigration law is complex, and undocumented immigrants should seek legal advice to understand their specific rights and options. 

9 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

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Undocumented immigrants in the US are entitled to due process rights, including the right to a fair hearing, legal representation, and the opportunity to present evidence in their defense. These protections are enshrined in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution. While some immigration court procedures differ from those in criminal courts, undocumented immigrants still have the right to challenge their removal. 

Here's a more detailed look at due process rights for undocumented immigrants:

• Right to a Fair Hearing:

  Undocumented immigrants facing deportation have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge. This hearing allows them to present their case and attempt to avoid removal. 

• Right to Legal Representation:

  Undocumented immigrants have the right to legal representation, and if they cannot afford an attorney, the government is required to provide one. 

• Right to Present Evidence:

  Undocumented immigrants have the right to present evidence, including witnesses and documents, in their defense. 

• Right to Appeal:

  If an immigration judge denies an application for relief from removal, the individual has the right to appeal that decision. 

• Right to Judicial Review:

  In some cases, individuals can also petition for judicial review of a final order of removal, according to LII | Legal Information Institute. 

• Due Process in Detention:

  Individuals in immigration detention are also entitled to certain procedural protections, including the right to be informed of the charges against them and the right to seek judicial review of the detention. 

• Limited Protections:

  While undocumented immigrants generally have due process rights, the extent of those protections may be limited in some cases, such as when the alien has engaged in criminal activity or has been found to be a threat to national security. 

• Exceptions to Due Process:

  There are some exceptions to the general rule that undocumented immigrants are entitled to due process.For example, the government can detain individuals awaiting removal proceedings, and the government may not be required to provide legal representation in all immigration proceedings. 

It's important to remember that immigration law is complex, and undocumented immigrants should seek legal advice to understand their specific rights and options. 

Cool so what is a "fair hearing" They aren't actually covered in the 14th Amendment because that doesn't apply to them

There are some exceptions to the general rule that undocumented immigrants are entitled to due process.For example, the government can detain individuals awaiting removal proceedings, and the government may not be required to provide legal representation in all immigration proceedings. 

See...what defines that? It's murky.

55 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

If it weren't for the fact that Trump, and his entire administration, is breathtakingly stupid, I'd actually think this whole thing with Garcia is a purposeful distraction. Everyone is up in arms about this one person, and that means no one is really talking about the hundreds of others that were rounded up and flown to a foreign prison with zero due process. So we are tacitly accepting that people can be sent to a foreign jail on the suspicion of being an illegal immigrant. That's absolutely insane and terrifying, and we have basically accepted it and are fighting over one person.

Anyone who claims to be an American or love this country or the Constitution should be up in arms about all of this. Even the NSDAPs had to prove someone was Jewish before putting them on the trains.

I think anyone who claims to be an American or love this country should have been up in arms about the open border we've had for the last 4 years. I know they kept saying the border was secure, but I think they were lying. Maybe if this administration just says they aren't deporting anyone the same people that believed the borders were secure will believe that as well. It will take some work because they'll have to get mainstream media to go along with this lie like they did the border lie or just not cover it.

How many were flown in with no process? How many were captured and then let go with no due process? We just accepted that people can come in for asylum with no proof that it's warranted.

They are both terrible policies but one isn't worse than the other. People's outrage, for the most part, just goes with the party they align with.

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Yeah, and that due process isn't the same as our due process and isn't defined. So again...do some homework

It is defined. They have the right to judicial review of their deportation order. It’s rather simple. Again, our government has been deporting people for decades. This isn’t something new.

Don’t know why you try to keep arguing that the government hasn’t broken the law here when they’ve already admitted in court that they did.

10 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm just glad the TDS lunatics in here talking about Jews on trains and this meaning Americans will be deprived of due process were just as outraged when the Jan 6th people were deprived of due process under Biden. Glad there is consistency.

I'm actually loving this story staying in the forefront of the news cycle for as long as it has. Normies recognize the absurdity of the story that we have a political party and judicial system fighting tooth and nail to bring an illegal MS13 gangbanger back into the states after he was deported to his native country. As I pointed out earlier, even other dems are pointing out what awful optics this story is for the party now:

Our resident TDSers will scream and cry about whatever the TV tells them to, but, let's face it, they would be crying about some other "constitutional crisis" like Trump taking away USAIDs programs that deprive Middle Easterners of transgender theory or something. Doesn't take away that this is huge win for Trump.

13 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

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Undocumented immigrants in the US are entitled to due process rights, including the right to a fair hearing, legal representation, and the opportunity to present evidence in their defense. These protections are enshrined in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments of the Constitution. While some immigration court procedures differ from those in criminal courts, undocumented immigrants still have the right to challenge their removal. 

Here's a more detailed look at due process rights for undocumented immigrants:

• Right to a Fair Hearing:

  Undocumented immigrants facing deportation have the right to a hearing before an immigration judge. This hearing allows them to present their case and attempt to avoid removal. 

• Right to Legal Representation:

  Undocumented immigrants have the right to legal representation, and if they cannot afford an attorney, the government is required to provide one. 

• Right to Present Evidence:

  Undocumented immigrants have the right to present evidence, including witnesses and documents, in their defense. 

• Right to Appeal:

  If an immigration judge denies an application for relief from removal, the individual has the right to appeal that decision. 

• Right to Judicial Review:

  In some cases, individuals can also petition for judicial review of a final order of removal, according to LII | Legal Information Institute. 

• Due Process in Detention:

  Individuals in immigration detention are also entitled to certain procedural protections, including the right to be informed of the charges against them and the right to seek judicial review of the detention. 

• Limited Protections:

  While undocumented immigrants generally have due process rights, the extent of those protections may be limited in some cases, such as when the alien has engaged in criminal activity or has been found to be a threat to national security. 

• Exceptions to Due Process:

  There are some exceptions to the general rule that undocumented immigrants are entitled to due process.For example, the government can detain individuals awaiting removal proceedings, and the government may not be required to provide legal representation in all immigration proceedings. 

It's important to remember that immigration law is complex, and undocumented immigrants should seek legal advice to understand their specific rights and options. 

Didn't the person who the Senator is going to 'bring back' have a couple hearings where both immigration judges declared that he should be deported but it just wasn't followed through until now?

2 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said:

It is defined. They have the right to judicial review of their deportation order. It’s rather simple. Again, our government has been deporting people for decades. This isn’t something new.

Don’t know why you try to keep arguing that the government hasn’t broken the law here when they’ve already admitted in court that they did.

You are talking about something different than I am today.

17 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

I think anyone who claims to be an American or love this country should have been up in arms about the open border we've had for the last 4 years. I know they kept saying the border was secure, but I think they were lying. Maybe if this administration just says they aren't deporting anyone the same people that believed the borders were secure will believe that as well. It will take some work because they'll have to get mainstream media to go along with this lie like they did the border lie or just not cover it.

How many were flown in with no process? How many were captured and then let go with no due process? We just accepted that people can come in for asylum with no proof that it's warranted.

They are both terrible policies but one isn't worse than the other. People's outrage, for the most part, just goes with the party they align with.

There are only a few in here that thought it was a good policy by border. Everyone else, including the people engaged here now on this topic, were very much opposed to the Biden border policies.

Yep, both sides suck.

32 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm just glad the TDS lunatics in here talking about Jews on trains and this meaning Americans will be deprived of due process were just as outraged when the Jan 6th people were deprived of due process under Biden. Glad there is consistency.

They were charged, tried and convicted in a court of law.

I realize you're trolling, but be better at it.

13 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You are talking about something different than I am today.

No, I am not. An illegal immigrant who is given a deportation order has the right to judicial review of their case. Period. End of story.

14 minutes ago, GreenReaper said:

Didn't the person who the Senator is going to 'bring back' have a couple hearings where both immigration judges declared that he should be deported but it just wasn't followed through until now?

I can explain the details later if someone else doesn't. The simple answer is that when you put it all together he was not afforded proper due process before he was taken into custody and deported. SCOTUS has ruled unanimously on this point 9-0.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

What did he do this time?

he's proven himself to be part of the radical judiciary, along with the other eight supreme court justices.

obviously KBJ got to them.

33 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm just glad the TDS lunatics in here talking about Jews on trains and this meaning Americans will be deprived of due process were just as outraged when the Jan 6th people were deprived of due process under Biden. Glad there is consistency.

LOLOLOL what? What January 6th rioter was deprived of their due process? What on earth are you talking about? Starting to think you don't even know what due process is.....

Any of the January 6th rioters who were sentenced to prison were first:

1) Arrested and charged with a crime.

2) Informed of what those crimes were

3) Provided an attorney if they couldn't afford one themselves

4) Given their day in court to defend themselves against the charges brought upon them by the government

5) Convicted of the charges by a jury of their peers.

WTF are you talking about.

24 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

There are some exceptions to the general rule that undocumented immigrants are entitled to due process.For example, the government can detain individuals awaiting removal proceedings, and the government may not be required to provide legal representation in all immigration proceedings. 

https://www.americanimmigrationcouncil.org/research/expedited-removal

Read this and you'll see the exception situation.

My problem with immigration/border policy, with both parties, is the inaction by Congress to do their jobs and pass laws, instead of passing it off to the POTUS.