7 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Than your argument is dismissed

good day sir

omg, TJ dimissed my argument, what will i ever do. 

the real issue is, you have already done the research and you know im right. 

10 hours ago, lynched1 said:

 

A homeless coordinator in Martha's Vineyard, the latest destination where migrants are being sent by Republican governors in an effort to bring attention to the southern border, said that the island doesn't have the resources to help them long-term and that they will eventually have to move 'somewhere else."

Perhaps they should call the border states and see how they do it.

They called Abbott and DeSantis, who told them the solution is to just bus and plane them all out to other destinations. Curious plans if they have political aspirations, to take their problems and ship it off to somebody else.... At least it seems Massachusetts can meet their needs and figure it out.  LINK 

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"We are meeting their needs for food, shelter, and we are definitely supplying them with a lot of love,” said Lisa Belcastro, the manager of the only homeless shelter on the island. "They need to be off island. Their immigration appointments are not here.”

On Thursday, Mr. Nazareth expressed gratitude for the warm reception that he and his brethren had received in Martha’s Vineyard. "They’re treating us super well,” he said. "We’re getting food, clothing, all our needs met. I love Massachusetts!” His plan: "I want to start working as soon as possible.”

Immigrants were not getting anything from Florida. DeSantis has no clue how to lead.

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Triggered

 

Sucks when liberals have to confront their hypocrisy and bull ish

Triggered? Both sides are Fing wack but the religious right are the biggest bunch of hypocrites. 

 

32 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

the laws says these immigrants are here illegally. Nothing immoral about enforcing said law

 

Is lying to immigrants and putting them on planes to other parts of the country enforcing a law?

2 hours ago, sameaglesfan said:

Love how you focused your outrage. 

When in doubt blame Christian values.  He's sending them to liberal paradise - you should be completely on board.

If the Tsar won't come to the border...

So Christians are putting more importance on a border than they are on their religious values? Hmmm makes you wonder if they even they read that piece of trash 

"Contribute to the needs of God’s people, and welcome strangers into your home"

"The crowds asked him, 'What then should we do?' He answered, 'Whoever has two shirts must share with the one who has none, and whoever has food must do the same.'"

"Be kind, compassionate, and forgiving to each other, in the same way God forgave you in Christ."

 

 

But sure they follow this one

"Do not with- hold discipline from your son; if you beat him with a rod, he will not die" (Prov 23:13 

 

heard this morning that one of the migrants shipped to martha's vineyard already had an immigration court date set for next week in los angeles. nice of desatan to fly him to the opposite part of the country. very christian of him. 

26 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

So Christians are putting more importance on a border than they are on their religious values? Hmmm makes you wonder if they even they read that piece of trash 

"Contribute to the needs of God’s people, and welcome strangers into your home"

"The crowds asked him, 'What then should we do?' He answered, 'Whoever has two shirts must share with the one who has none, and whoever has food must do the same.'"

"Be kind, compassionate, and forgiving to each other, in the same way God forgave you in Christ."

 

 

But sure they follow this one

"Do not with- hold discipline from your son; if you beat him with a rod, he will not die" (Prov 23:13 

 

Fix the border. Implement proper immigrant procedures to get families and individuals into the country LEGALLY and this becomes a nonexistent issue.

Instead we’re watching republicans exacerbate the problem in petty manners, while liberals pretend to be okay with the ever present immediate problems and consequences that come with having virtually no border security.

For the record - if you think it’s racist or xenophobic to have proper border policy enforced for a modern nation, you’re a complete and utter moron.

3 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Fix the border. Implement proper immigrant procedures to get families and individuals into the country LEGALLY and this becomes a nonexistent issue.

Instead we’re watching republicans exacerbate the problem in petty manners, while liberals pretend to be okay with the ever present immediate problems and consequences that come with having virtually no border security.

For the record - if you think it’s racist or xenophobic to have proper border policy enforced for a modern nation, you’re a complete and utter moron.

I'm not sure the border can be fixed. Obviously the simple solution of "build a big wall" doesn't do anything. I think we need to get tougher with the countries where these people are coming from. Withholding foreign aid would be a good start. 

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I'm not sure the border can be fixed. Obviously the simple solution of "build a big wall" doesn't do anything. I think we need to get tougher with the countries where these people are coming from. Withholding foreign aid would be a good start. 

Annex mexico and seal that southern border

12 minutes ago, Blazehound said:

Fix the border. Implement proper immigrant procedures to get families and individuals into the country LEGALLY and this becomes a nonexistent issue.

Instead we’re watching republicans exacerbate the problem in petty manners, while liberals pretend to be okay with the ever present immediate problems and consequences that come with having virtually no border security.

For the record - if you think it’s racist or xenophobic to have proper border policy enforced for a modern nation, you’re a complete and utter moron.

Actually, some of us believe the border is not the problem.

 

It is allowing companies to hire illegals without realistic consequences that cost more than hiring legals.

 

That will solve the problem. I love how you supposed patriots always demean our armed forces and border patrol, as if they are incompetent and unfunded.

 

Where do most illegals cross? Legal checkpoints.

Where do most illegal drugs cross? Legal checkpoints.

 

You have invented an imaginary crisis and pretend the only way to stop people is a wall. Idiots pretend you can seal the border. Idiots who apparently, have no idea how big it is, or how much that would cost.

10 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Actually, some of us believe the border is not the problem.

 

It is allowing companies to hire illegals without realistic consequences that cost more than hiring legals.

 

That will solve the problem. I love how you supposed patriots always demean our armed forces and border patrol, as if they are incompetent and unfunded.

 

Where do most illegals cross? Legal checkpoints.

Where do most illegal drugs cross? Legal checkpoints.

 

You have invented an imaginary crisis and pretend the only way to stop people is a wall. Idiots pretend you can seal the border. Idiots who apparently, have no idea how big it is, or how much that would cost.

the border is absolutely part of the problem, as are the countries sending these people and the companies here that hire them. also, BH never mentioned a wall in that post. maybe in the past ? 

20 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Actually, some of us believe the border is not the problem.

 

It is allowing companies to hire illegals without realistic consequences that cost more than hiring legals.

 

That will solve the problem. I love how you supposed patriots always demean our armed forces and border patrol, as if they are incompetent and unfunded.

 

Where do most illegals cross? Legal checkpoints.

Where do most illegal drugs cross? Legal checkpoints.

 

You have invented an imaginary crisis and pretend the only way to stop people is a wall. Idiots pretend you can seal the border. Idiots who apparently, have no idea how big it is, or how much that would cost.

This. Everyone should stop and listen to the immigrants that Florida and Texas are shipping across the country. They all give the same reason for crossing into United States; they want jobs. There is so much work in this country for migrant workers: picking crops, packaging stuff, handyman/construction, housekeeping, nanny/au pair, etc. The visa system provides a legal pathway, but it is so controlled it doesn't support the demand for workers, nor does it support the amount of workers willing to come here. So people come here illegally. Our economy supports it.

So we can shore up the border, but it's not going to solve the problem of demand.

22 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

the border is absolutely part of the problem, as are the countries sending these people and the companies here that hire them. also, BH never mentioned a wall in that post. maybe in the past ? 

The people are generally not sent. They come because it beats the hell out of where they are.

Again, the bulk of the PROBLEM comes through legal checkpoints.

 

The idea that "Implement proper immigrant procedures" will do anything is a crock.

There are two options; Berlin wall. Constantly guarded and monitored, above and below ground. This is insanely expensive to do.

Or PUNISH THOSE WHO HIRE ILLEGALS AND HURT THEM FINANCIALLY TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS CHEAPER TO HIRE LEGALS. This is also cost-effective.

Nothing in this situation will ever change until this door is closed.

3 minutes ago, toolg said:

This. Everyone should stop and listen to the immigrants that Florida and Texas are shipping across the country. They all give the same reason for crossing into United States; they want jobs. There is so much work in this country for migrant workers: picking crops, packaging stuff, handyman/construction, housekeeping, nanny/au pair, etc. The visa system provides a legal pathway, but it is so controlled it doesn't support the demand for workers, nor does it support the amount of workers willing to come here. So people come here illegally. Our economy supports it.

So we can shore up the border, but it's not going to solve the problem of demand.

I would go even further that certain demographics believe that they are above working at a fast food restaurant or being a waiter or most jobs that require physical labor. 

43 minutes ago, Gannan said:

I'm not sure the border can be fixed. Obviously the simple solution of "build a big wall" doesn't do anything. I think we need to get tougher with the countries where these people are coming from. Withholding foreign aid would be a good start. 

Or ending this failure that is the war on drugs. Cartels are thriving because of it and decimating countries where these people are coming 

41 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

Actually, some of us believe the border is not the problem.

 

It is allowing companies to hire illegals without realistic consequences that cost more than hiring legals.

 

That will solve the problem. I love how you supposed patriots always demean our armed forces and border patrol, as if they are incompetent and unfunded.

 

Where do most illegals cross? Legal checkpoints.

Where do most illegal drugs cross? Legal checkpoints.

 

You have invented an imaginary crisis and pretend the only way to stop people is a wall. Idiots pretend you can seal the border. Idiots who apparently, have no idea how big it is, or how much that would cost.

I agree with this, but there is a second part. On top of cracking down HARD on employers that use illegal immigrants, we need to stop the insanity of providing government benefit and resources to illegals. Why are we giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants? Welfare? Anything. Remove all incentive for people to come here illegal -- no jobs, no government benefits.

7 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Or ending this failure that is the war on drugs. Cartels are thriving because of it and decimating countries where these people are coming 

This is the most impactful thing we could do, so of course it will never happen.

9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

I would go even further that certain demographics believe that they are above working at a fast food restaurant or being a waiter or most jobs that require physical labor. 

Well, get rid of government benefits and make the decision work or starve. Suddenly, people won't be too proud to work at McDonald's.

In a perfect world, here's the 4 part plan to end illegal immigration.

1. Massively increase penalties for those that employ illegal immigrants -- make the monetary penalties significant, and ramp up enforcement. Put the onus on the employer to properly verify immigration status. Now, I know people will complain that this will impact legal Latino immigrants -- employers may stay away from them fearing the risk. Maybe a compromise is to make sure that employers all complete the e-Verify process, and doing so absolves the employer unless they knowingly defraud the system. But make the risk associated with hiring illegals massively larger than the potential benefit.

2. Terminate all government benefits and services for illegal immigrants -- No driver's licenses. No food stamps. No welfare. It doesn't help that morons want to try and let them vote in local elections. Make them leave in the shadows and in fear -- they are here ILLEGALLY. 

3. End the drug war already -- People are leaving countries that have been turned over to narcotic producers and gangs. Stop fighting a war we have been losing for over 50 years and legalize recreational use of drugs. Legitimize the business and annihilate the power of those criminals in countries in Latin America.

4. Stop subsidizing able bodied Legal US Residents -- terminate all transfer payment programs for those of working age. Employers will find plenty of workers willing to take the hard jobs if we remove the option to survive simply off government largesse.

None of this will ever happen of course. 

10 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I agree with this, but there is a second part. On top of cracking down HARD on employers that use illegal immigrants, we need to stop the insanity of providing government benefit and resources to illegals. Why are we giving driver's licenses to illegal immigrants? Welfare? Anything. Remove all incentive for people to come here illegal -- no jobs, no government benefits.

This is the most impactful thing we could do, so of course it will never happen.

I have zero objection to denying benefits to non-taxpayers.

33 minutes ago, Toastrel said:

The people are generally not sent. They come because it beats the hell out of where they are.

Again, the bulk of the PROBLEM comes through legal checkpoints.

 

The idea that "Implement proper immigrant procedures" will do anything is a crock.

There are two options; Berlin wall. Constantly guarded and monitored, above and below ground. This is insanely expensive to do.

Or PUNISH THOSE WHO HIRE ILLEGALS AND HURT THEM FINANCIALLY TO THE POINT WHERE IT IS CHEAPER TO HIRE LEGALS. This is also cost-effective.

Nothing in this situation will ever change until this door is closed.

you do know that those checkpoints are located at the "border", right? im not sure why you seem to separating the two.

 

 

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

you do know that those checkpoints are located at the "border", right? im not sure why you seem to separating the two.

Ya, I get that.

People seem to think the problem is people coming across the wilderness.

They come in truck loads across legal checkpoints, like the drugs. None of the things people have been talking about to fix the issue addresses this fact, or the fact that if the jobs were not there, they would not come.

Liberals: We need to welcome them all!! Just not in our towns because we are rich...let other people deal with it.

50 people of color show up and the go calls up the national guard 🤣

 

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Massachusetts gov calls up National Guard over 50 Martha’s Vineyard migrants

125 Mass National Guard members are being activated to assist.

Baker said removing the migrants to Cape Cod was necessary because "the island communities are not equipped to provide sustainable accommodation, and state officials developed a plan to deliver a comprehensive humanitarian response.”

https://nypost.com/2022/09/16/marthas-vineyard-migrants-sent-to-cape-cod-mass-calls-national-guard/?utm_source=nypost&utm_campaign=android_nyp

 

 

They don't play when poor people show up and they want them off their lawns.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Liberals: We need to welcome them all!! Just not in our towns because we are rich...let other people deal with it.

50 people of color show up and the go calls up the national guard 🤣

 

 

They don't play when poor people show up and they want them off their lawns.

the gov is a republican. 

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Liberals: We need to welcome them all!! Just not in our towns because we are rich...let other people deal with it.

50 people of color show up and the go calls up the national guard 🤣

 

 

They don't play when poor people show up and they want them off their lawns.

You could read what you post, nincompoop.

 

The guard will be assisting in this sort of thing. The hysteria, is the pathetic right wing dewshberries, like DeSeantis, who probably broke laws flying illegals around the USA.

The people of Martha's Vineyard, stepped up and are being cool. That A-HOLES sent immigrants to an ISLAND that can't support them, is the story, but you don't like that, so you make one up.