September 16, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Only one 24-news station, every talk radio station and half of the internet talk about it non-stop! It's a cover up! Do you think they really show the true number of people coming across and how bad things are? The number of children being assaulted and trafficked? I seriously doubt it.
September 16, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: Yes, WGB's post was more efficacious But he is not. You voted for the biggest Rino in the history of the party, I'd think you would know what one is.
September 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: Do you think they really show the true number of people coming across and how bad things are? The number of children being assaulted and trafficked? I seriously doubt it. Gee, I wonder if these governors could, you know, raise awareness and demand action by speaking out? Nope. Only option is to fly some people to MA. That'll solve it.
September 16, 20223 yr Just now, vikas83 said: I understand fine. I'd rather politicians fix the problem as opposed to pursue useless stunts that won't accomplish a thing, and I'll call out morons who do these things AND idiots that applaud it. If DeSantis and Abbott are serious, then do something to fix the problem. Talk to their Senators and representatives and demand they introduce legislation to fix the problem. Hell, sue the federal government in court for failing to fulfill its obligations. There's a million useful things they could do, but morons like you wouldn't clap like seals for actual progress. Better to pull a useless stunt and trend on Twitter. Congrats on being part of the national decline. We agree and I'm not saying these stunts will fix things. What would you like them to do to fix things though? They aren't allowed to stop people coming across. There are literally millions of people coming across and children are being hurt in the process in horrific ways. What you are saying would be great, but isn't going to happen anytime soon because of agendas on both sides. 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Gee, I wonder if these governors could, you know, raise awareness and demand action by speaking out? Nope. Only option is to fly some people to MA. That'll solve it. Basically, yeah.
September 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Diehardfan said: Do you think they really show the true number of people coming across and how bad things are? The number of children being assaulted and trafficked? I seriously doubt it. Who? The massive media conglomerates that talk about illegal immigration 24/7 in order to help elect Republicans? I don't know, I don't watch or listen to them.
September 16, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Boogyman said: But he is not. You voted for the biggest Rino in the history of the party, I'd think you would know what one is. I sure did.
September 16, 20223 yr After DeSantis little stunt, is anyone talking about any of the issues at the border? No. They're talking about whether or not they support the stunt, if DeSantis is a hero or the devil. SPOILER ALERT: It accomplished exactly what Ron wanted -- we're talking about him again. He'd lost airtime to Donnie, and now he found a way to get it back. That's all this is. A plea for attention.
September 16, 20223 yr Just now, VanHammersly said: Who? The massive media conglomerates that talk about illegal immigration 24/7 in order to help elect Republicans? I don't know, I don't watch or listen to them. Most people get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. Just now, vikas83 said: After DeSantis little stunt, is anyone talking about any of the issues at the border? No. They're talking about whether or not they support the stunt, if DeSantis is a hero or the devil. SPOILER ALERT: It accomplished exactly what Ron wanted -- we're talking about him again. He'd lost airtime to Donnie, and now he found a way to get it back. That's all this is. A plea for attention. Valid point that is probably true.
September 16, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Gee, I wonder if these governors could, you know, raise awareness and demand action by speaking out? Nope. Only option is to fly some people to MA. That'll solve it. ILLEGALLY fly them at a very high tax-payer expense.
September 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: Most people get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. LOL -- most people get their news from Facebook at this point. Except for that one poster who says he gets all his news from CVON...
September 16, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: Ya, I get that. People seem to think the problem is people coming across the wilderness. They come in truck loads across legal checkpoints, like the drugs. None of the things people have been talking about to fix the issue addresses this fact, or the fact that if the jobs were not there, they would not come. well for the record when i say stricter border policy, i mainly mean checkpoints and shipping points of entry. its a broad issue, that could have big consequences if not handled right. for instance, i wonder how bad california's economy would suffer if all illegals were suddenly rounded up and deported. how much would produce go up ? vikas brought up legaliztion drug use, while i have always been worried about opening that up beyond pot & alcohol, i've come around on the idea.
September 16, 20223 yr Just now, Diehardfan said: Most people get their news from ABC, CBS, NBC, and CNN. There are endless right wing media outlets that anyone's free to access and millions of people exclusively get their news from there. But please, cry more about conspiracies.
September 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: LOL -- most people get their news from Facebook at this point. Except for that one poster who says he gets all his news from CVON... Decent point that is probably true. FB and Twitter. Just now, VanHammersly said: There are endless right wing media outlets that anyone's free to access and millions of people exclusively get their news from there. But please, cry more about conspiracies. But people going to those sources aren't in the middle or the left unless the latter likes being pissed off and are looking for a fight. Nobody is crying. Just my belief.
September 16, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: LOL -- most people get their news from Facebook at this point. Except for that one poster who says he gets all his news from CVON... This. Old people sit down and watch a news show. Everyone else gets it from social media. I, on the other hand, get all my news from Greenskeeper memes, which is why I'm so well informed.
September 16, 20223 yr Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: well for the record when i say stricter border policy, i mainly mean checkpoints and shipping points of entry. its a broad issue, that could have big consequences if not handled right. i wonder how bad california's economy would suffer if all illegals were suddenly rounded up and deported. how much would produce go up ? vikas brought up legaliztion drug use, while i have always been worried about opening that up beyond pot & alcohol, i've come around on the idea. Honestly, the idea of rounding up the people here is a pipe dream. Enforcing employment rules and ending all government services for illegals will lead to some level of self-deportation. The honest answer is likely that some kind of process for legalization needs to be part of the conversation for those already here, but citizenship needs to be off the table. Basically, we need people to sit down, talk, compromise and problem solve...so, we're totally effed.
September 16, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Honestly, the idea of rounding up the people here is a pipe dream. Enforcing employment rules and ending all government services for illegals will lead to some level of self-deportation. The honest answer is likely that some kind of process for legalization needs to be part of the conversation for those already here, but citizenship needs to be off the table. Basically, we need people to sit down, talk, compromise and problem solve...so, we're totally effed. We agree, but unfortunately we are way past that. Does picking a side and going with it help? No, but at this point both sides are drifting so far apart there won't be compromising anytime soon. It's pick your poison. We are totally effed. I totally agree with making them legal but no citizenship and no voting right and secure the freaking border.
September 16, 20223 yr I feel like it once again needs to be pointed out to the right that the leader of your party claimed he would solve the immigration problem "so fast our heads would spin". He had 2 years of a majority to solve the problem.. he didn't. Then he diverted funds to build a wall, and it isn't helping either. Only morons with an IQ around plant life would think it's a good idea to put him back in the white house for his failures, which is of course what they want to do.
September 16, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, vikas83 said: Honestly, the idea of rounding up the people here is a pipe dream. Enforcing employment rules and ending all government services for illegals will lead to some level of self-deportation. The honest answer is likely that some kind of process for legalization needs to be part of the conversation for those already here, but citizenship needs to be off the table. Basically, we need people to sit down, talk, compromise and problem solve...so, we're totally effed. this ...see here we are talking and tossing ideas around, hoping to find something that can actually help. you're right though, this won't happen in d.c.
September 16, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, Diehardfan said: I sure did. So you are team Rino. So what's the issue here, or did you just decide to go full **** yet again?
September 16, 20223 yr 12 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: This. Old people sit down and watch a news show. Everyone else gets it from social media. I, on the other hand, get all my news from Greenskeeper memes, which is why I'm so well informed. Was watching Shane Gillis stand up and he said Fox News is black church for old white dudes. It's so true haha
September 16, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: Was watching Shane Gillis stand up and he said Fox News is black church for old white dudes. It's so true haha
September 16, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: this ...see here we are talking and tossing ideas around, hoping to find something that can actually help. you're right though, this won't happen in d.c. My one proposal to try and fix things would be to end all primaries. The most radical people vote in primaries, so we get people like MTG and AOC in Congress. Beyond just being complete idiots, they are also so far on the fringes that they can't possibly compromise one inch or they will be challenged in a primary by some new whacko. Just let the party leaders choose candidates. Would help to end gerrymandering as well -- this is why the total lunatics struggle in state wide Senate general elections (Oz, Herschel, etc.).
September 16, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, vikas83 said: I understand fine. I'd rather politicians fix the problem as opposed to pursue useless stunts that won't accomplish a thing, and I'll call out morons who do these things AND idiots that applaud it. If DeSantis and Abbott are serious, then do something to fix the problem. Talk to their Senators and representatives and demand they introduce legislation to fix the problem. Hell, sue the federal government in court for failing to fulfill its obligations. There's a million useful things they could do, but morons like you wouldn't clap like seals for actual progress. Better to pull a useless stunt and trend on Twitter. Congrats on being part of the national decline. There is zero possibility of a political solution. There can’t be a political solution to a problem that one party sees as morally virtuous and a way to bolster political power. We both know that legislation will go no where, that even if there were legislation it wouldn’t be enforced by the federal government, and that suing the federal government is a dead end. We are beyond the point of "fixing” illegal immigration because illegal immigration is one party’s political strategy.
September 16, 20223 yr 30 minutes ago, vikas83 said: There's a million useful things they could do, but morons like you wouldn't clap like seals for actual progress. Better to pull a useless stunt and trend on Twitter.
September 16, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, vikas83 said: After DeSantis little stunt, is anyone talking about any of the issues at the border? No. They're talking about whether or not they support the stunt, if DeSantis is a hero or the devil. SPOILER ALERT: It accomplished exactly what Ron wanted -- we're talking about him again. He'd lost airtime to Donnie, and now he found a way to get it back. That's all this is. A plea for attention. DeSantis' issue is that he's got zero likability. The minute he steps on a stage with anybody he's going to look like an ornery, less likable, more socially awkward Gore.
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