September 22, 20223 yr 22 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Just so we’re clear here, you realize granting amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants is what Reagan did in 86, right? Plus using executive authority to grant legal status to children, defer deportations, etc… That’s what’s so funny about politics. Things that were done by the GOP’s patron Saint are now viewed as extreme and insane. And don’t worry, I know it goes both ways. Go back and play old Clinton speeches on illegal immigration and he’d be characterized as a far right fascist by liberals today. Yes, Reagan absolutely did that, but it was under the good faith agreement that Democrats would agree to close the borders and enact measures to prevent incentives to come here, which of course they broke because they’re scumbags and instead increased the incentives to come here illegally.
September 22, 20223 yr 28 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Just so we’re clear here, you realize granting amnesty to nearly 3 million illegal immigrants is what Reagan did in 86, right? Plus using executive authority to grant legal status to children, defer deportations, etc… That’s what’s so funny about politics. Things that were done by the GOP’s patron Saint are now viewed as extreme and insane. And don’t worry, I know it goes both ways. Go back and play old Clinton speeches on illegal immigration and he’d be characterized as a far right fascist by liberals today. I dont give a ish about Reagan but nice try Any other excuses for Bidens total disregard for our southern border or illegal immigration?
September 22, 20223 yr 20 minutes ago, TEW said: Yes, Reagan absolutely did that, but it was under the good faith agreement that Democrats would agree to close the borders and enact measures to prevent incentives to come here, which of course they broke because they’re scumbags and instead increased the incentives to come here illegally. LOLOLOLOL oh man I always love that excuse.
September 22, 20223 yr 21 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: I dont give a ish about Reagan but nice try Any other excuses for Bidens total disregard for our southern border or illegal immigration? I just wanted to make sure we were all on the same page here. Who’s making excuses? The illegal crossing into the US is actually a relatively simple issue. If there’s no incentives to come illegally, people won’t come. They come (for the most part) because they can get work here. Go after the people providing them with work, and then the jobs won’t be there anymore. And the incentive to come goes away.
September 23, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: LOLOLOLOL oh man I always love that excuse. It’s not an "excuse.” It’s literally what happened and no one with an iota of a clue disagrees with this fact. From the right wing fascist propaganda outlet, WaPo: Quote Why were the border restrictions ineffective? Poor funding, for one. Congress didn't provide enough money to ramp up Border Patrol hiring until the mid-1990s: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/30/in-1986-congress-tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/ Gee, I wonder who controlled Congress up until the mid 90’s? It’s a Fing mystery!
September 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: It’s not an "excuse.” It’s literally what happened and no one with an iota of a clue disagrees with this fact. From the right wing fascist propaganda outlet, WaPo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/01/30/in-1986-congress-tried-to-solve-immigration-why-didnt-it-work/ Gee, I wonder who controlled Congress up until the mid 90’s? It’s a Fing mystery! I guess you're not a starve the beast guy.
September 23, 20223 yr The insane focus on the border, the lesser, piece-meal avenue for immigration is so bizarre.
September 23, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Toastrel said: The insane focus on the border, the lesser, piece-meal avenue for immigration is so bizarre. Focusing on the insanity of 4+ million illegal aliens crossing a "secure border" in a year and a half is
September 23, 20223 yr 2 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I guess you're not a starve the beast guy. I’m 100% in favor of holding businesses accountable. If they are found to be deliberately using illegal alien workers, I’d be 100% cool with prison time for anyone involved. Of course, starving the beast also means immediate deportation, no bank accounts, no drivers license, etc etc. Guess who is going to fight all of that?
September 23, 20223 yr 6 hours ago, lynched1 said: Focusing on the insanity of 4+ million illegal aliens crossing a "secure border" in a year and a half is I know, what the hell am I thinking? Actually going after the bigger fish. Crazy man.
September 30, 20223 yr No one: Nancy Pelosi: "We have a shortage of workers in our country, and you see even in Florida, some of the farmers and the growers saying, 'Why are you shipping these immigrants up North? We need them to pick the crops down here,'" she said.
September 30, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, lynched1 said: No one: Nancy Pelosi: "We have a shortage of workers in our country, and you see even in Florida, some of the farmers and the growers saying, 'Why are you shipping these immigrants up North? We need them to pick the crops down here,'" she said. Coldly put, but she isn’t entirely wrong. Increasing legal immigration would only help the economy.
September 30, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Coldly put, but she isn’t entirely wrong. Increasing legal immigration would only help the economy. No it wouldn't. Not unless you're looking for a new permanent underclass to support.
September 30, 20223 yr Anyone who ever lived in SoCal knows that the vast majority of Central American immigrants are very capable, hardworking people with a solid work ethic. Philly should import some of these "illegals" and give them abandoned houses, basic tools and materials to fix them up. They'd turn them into model homes, even while holding down other jobs.
September 30, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, lynched1 said: No it wouldn't. Not unless you're looking for a new permanent underclass to support. You must have lots of evidence to support that claim?
September 30, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: You must have lots of evidence to support that claim? Seriously?
September 30, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, lynched1 said: Seriously? What evidence convinced you that immigrant labor hurts the economy and that immigrants have no upward mobility.
September 30, 20223 yr While the evidence that convinced me is more than just a single article here is one. https://www.cato.org/commentary/pro-expand-legal-immigration-boost-economy
September 30, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: immigrants have no upward mobility. No one said "none". The majority are negative attributes for extended periods. Of the ones working billions of dollars are removed from the economy. Recent resurgence of tuberculosis and polio are interesting coincidences as well.
September 30, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, lynched1 said: No one said "none". The majority are negative attributes for extended periods. Of the ones working billions of dollars are removed from the economy. You cannot prove unsubstantiated claims with more unsubstantiated claims. Where are you getting your information?
September 30, 20223 yr 10 minutes ago, lynched1 said: No one said "none". The majority are negative attributes for extended periods. Of the ones working billions of dollars are removed from the economy. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/economy/making-sense/4-myths-about-how-immigrants-affect-the-u-s-economy https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2021/04/01/evidence-mounts-that-reducing-immigration-harms-americas-economy/?sh=17f7680f202c
September 30, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, lynched1 said: No one said "none". The majority are negative attributes for extended periods. Of the ones working billions of dollars are removed from the economy. Recent resurgence of tuberculosis and polio are interesting coincidences as well. https://www.verywellhealth.com/why-some-diseases-are-re-emerging-4151072
September 30, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Tnt4philly said: Coldly put, but she isn’t entirely wrong. Increasing legal immigration would only help the economy. Frozenly put, she is entirely wrong and increasing legal immigration as currently implemented would be a disaster. The average legal immigrant makes about $32,000K a year. They’re, on average, a giant suck on the public treasury and put downward pressure on the wages of already low income Americans. And this while the Fed is trying to raise unemployment. If we want to talk about completely reorienting our immigration system to prioritize high earning, in demand, highly skilled personnel that’s one thing. But simply flooding the country with more of the same would be calamitous.
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