https://insight.kellogg.northwestern.edu/article/immigrants-to-the-u-s-create-more-jobs-than-they-take/amp

We all came from the children of immigrants. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/07/11/opinion/immigrants-success-america.html

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

We all came from the children of immigrants. 
 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/07/11/opinion/immigrants-success-america.html

We might have all come from immigration, but that doesn’t mean all immigration is good. The fact is that current immigrant demographics are lower earning, less educated, and use more public resources than the native population. We don’t need more poor people.

I’m all for immigration that improves the country. The current paradigm ain’t it though.

46 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

No one said "none". 

The majority are negative attributes for extended periods. Of the ones working billions of dollars are removed from the economy.

Recent resurgence of tuberculosis and polio are interesting coincidences as well.

Complete BS.

Go visit a library sometime.

45 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

You cannot prove unsubstantiated claims with more unsubstantiated claims. Where are you getting your information? 

Unsubstantiated claims......

Why do you think they are dispersing them? To bless the domestic population with their presence? 

Want some? Get your *** down there grab a few to help out around the house. You don't even go south. Martha's Vineyard had more than they could support and they're right here in the north east.

Unsubstantiated.......

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

We might have all come from immigration, but that doesn’t mean all immigration is good. The fact is that current immigrant demographics are lower earning, less educated, and use more public resources than the native population. We don’t need more poor people.

I’m all for immigration that improves the country. The current paradigm ain’t it though.

https://immigrationimpact.com/2022/04/14/immigrants-as-taxpayers-2022/
 

 

6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Complete BS.

Go visit a library sometime.

No it's not. There isn't a lie you can tell that would be convincing enough 

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

https://immigrationimpact.com/2022/04/14/immigrants-as-taxpayers-2022/
 

 

I wonder how accurate that is with all of the fake identification floating around.

Just now, lynched1 said:

Unsubstantiated claims......

Why do you think they are dispersing them? To bless the domestic population with their presence? 

Want some? Get your *** down there grab a few to help out around the house. You don't even go south. Martha's Vineyard had more than they could support and they're right here in the north east.

Unsubstantiated.......

Where are you getting your information. It’s a simple question that you keep avoiding. 

1 minute ago, Tnt4philly said:

Where are you getting your information. It’s a simple question that you keep avoiding. 

It's in the news. All day. Everyday.

That said. You are pissing up a rope. You have no path of a successful conversion. 

 

1 minute ago, lynched1 said:

I wonder how accurate that is with all of the fake identification floating around.

If you have conflicting data, let’s see it. 

Just now, lynched1 said:

It's in the news. All day. Everyday.

Then you shouldn’t have an issue citing a source. 

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

Then you shouldn’t have an issue citing a source. 

Take what you got an be happy or not. I don't care either way how you take it.

6 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

https://immigrationimpact.com/2022/04/14/immigrants-as-taxpayers-2022/
 

 

  
 

The article’s argument is largely based entitlements, glossing over the fact that what they pay in now becomes a liability to the country. Add in those liabilities and see how it pans out.

1 minute ago, TEW said:

  
 

The article’s argument is largely based entitlements, glossing over the fact that what they pay in now becomes a liability to the country. Add in those liabilities and see how it pans out.

I'd settle for dropping 1000 off in that neighborhood and see how that pans out. 😉

I'm sure we'll see localized, record breaking prosperity 

5 minutes ago, TEW said:

  
 

The article’s argument is largely based entitlements, glossing over the fact that what they pay in now becomes a liability to the country. Add in those liabilities and see how it pans out.

If you have data that suggests that immigrants are a net drain on the economy then let’s see it. 

4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

If you have data that suggests that immigrants are a net drain on the economy then let’s see it. 

You can't even prove it does. 🤣

"I got data"!

That and a dime gets you a dime.

8 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

You can't even prove it does. 🤣

Right or wrong, I have provided information that I have used to come to my conclusions. You have provided nothing. 

Just now, Tnt4philly said:

Right or wrong, I have provided information that I have used to come to my collusions. You have provided nothing. 

Neither have you.

The "Steele Dossier" was provided as "evidence" too. 

If anyone needs data to prove a point all they have to do is fund it. 

26 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

If you have data that suggests that immigrants are a net drain on the economy then let’s see it. 

 

Quote

The SSA averages the 35 highest earning years of a person’s career to determine retirement benefits. Because of this, a native-born citizen who receives an average wage and works for 45 years can expect to pay approximately $282,000 into the program over the course of their career.[6] Throughout retirement, based on the current average lifespan in the United States, the same worker can expect to receive back about $271,000 in benefits, or 96 percent of what they paid into the program.

However, since immigrants typically do not spend their entire careers in the United States, and earn an average annual salary that is slightly less than U.S.citizens, they end up paying considerably less into the program. For example, a foreign-born worker who has a working career that is just 5 years shorter than average native-born citizen can expect to pay approximately $250,000 into the  Social Security program. However, despite paying $32,000 less in Social Security taxes than the average native-born citizen who worked 45 years, this foreign-born worker can expect to receive only about $2,000 less in retirement benefits – or 108 percent of what they paid into the program.

With the average age of new immigrants increasing from 26 in 2000, to 31 in 2017, assuming a 40-year career is extremely generous.[7] Based on this data, the average career for migrants is closer to 30-35 years. This means they will receive approximately 110-120 percent of what they paid into the program.

https://www.fairus.org/issue/publications-resources/mass-immigration-wont-save-social-security

As always, the devil is in the details.

And you can look at their average household income of native born Americans at $67K and compare it to average household income of $63K, then you realize that they have higher birth rates which means more kids in public schools draining tax dollars…

Sorry bud, they’re a net drain. I’m not against immigration if it benefits us, but this idea that they’re the answer to our economic problems is laughable. Now, if we restructure our policy to prioritize high earners, that’s a different story…

4 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

Neither have you.

The "Steele Dossier" was provided as "evidence" too. 

If anyone needs data to prove a point all they have to do is fund it. 

I have, whether you choose to read it or not. I never claimed that it was evidence that prove I am right. It’s just some of the information I have used to base my opinions on. If you have conflicting information then educate me. 

7 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

I have, whether you choose to read it or not. I never claimed that it was evidence that prove I am right. It’s just some of the information I have used to base my opinions on. If you have conflicting information then educate me. 

I did not choose to. 

6 minutes ago, TEW said:

 

Good article if I made the claim that immigration would save SS  I’m not even making the claim that immigration would save our economy, only that it would improve it, as it has our entire history. 
 

It’s actually the illegals that pay billion more into SS without ever receiving benefits that will help save it. Not really, I don’t believe SS can be saved, it should be replaced with something else. 

5 minutes ago, lynched1 said:

I did not choose to. 

Really? I couldn’t tell. I thought you were more secure in your beliefs and not afraid of conflicting information. 

9 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

Good article if I made the claim that immigration would save SS  I’m not even making the claim that immigration would save our economy, only that it would improve it, as it has our entire history. 
 

It’s actually the illegals that pay billion more into SS without ever receiving benefits that will help save it. Not really, I don’t believe SS can be saved, it should be replaced with something else. 

Did you read the article you posted? It cited social security. I responded by saying they factored immigrant contributions without immigrant liabilities.

You wanted to know how they’re a net drain, that’s an example, and it directly refuted a claim made by an article you posted.

I agree that SS can’t be saved, but realistically it’s not going anywhere. It’ll get monetized, and so the surplus liabilities created by legal immigrants will require extra monetization.

Do we really want to get into illegal immigration? Because if we are counting them, then we can get into court costs, crime, lack of insurance, use of public goods, etc. Ask yourself how illegals are paying billions into SS? The answer is simple really: identity theft!  

The bottom line here is that our current immigration system is not beneficial. That’s not to say we should have no immigration, but it needs to be radically altered for the US to get a benefit from it.