The penalties for failing to verify employees can be very severe. They can range from $110.00 to $1100.00 per technical violation. Remember, employers have a duty to verify employment authorization for ALL of their workers.

 

This is WHEN enforced, which rarely happens.

24 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

No one is blaming the immigration problem on one thing except you and your ilk. 

Right. It's the availability of jobs and it's purposely incentivized by liberal politicians. Good talk. 

5 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Please name them and loop hole that allows an ILLEGAL immigrant to receive them.

Stolen socials. Same way they "legally” work and pay taxes. 
 

Any other brain busters?

9 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Please name them and loop hole that allows an ILLEGAL immigrant to receive them.

Loop hole? What loop hole dies fake identification fall under?

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

Loop hole? What loop hole dies fake identification fall under?

I’m sure it happens but any chance you have a link that shows how much illegals get in public benefits by using stolen ids? 

45 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said:

I’m sure it happens but any chance you have a link that shows how much illegals get in public benefits by using stolen ids? 

Probably not. Mostly because they are getting away with the crime. 

3 hours ago, Tnt4philly said:

I’m sure it happens but any chance you have a link that shows how much illegals get in public benefits by using stolen ids? 

I keep it in the file that has the list if illegal immigrants totaling 11 million for the last 25 years.

1 hour ago, lynched1 said:

I keep it in the file that has the list if illegal immigrants totaling 11 million for the last 25 years.

So nothing then. 

On 12/22/2022 at 12:30 PM, 20dawk4life said:

Stolen socials. Same way they "legally” work and pay taxes. 
 

Any other brain busters?

So you think stolen socials, aka identity theft and fraud, are exclusively illegal immigrants? 😆

Pedro had to hike 1000 miles with his family from South America to enter the country illegally, but also has the skills to hack identifications. 😂

Here’s a clue for you… there’s an entire network of low wage worker trafficking done within our borders for farming, food processing and construction jobs that promise and sell tax identification numbers and fraudulent social security numbers to immigrants.

4 minutes ago, MidMoFo said:

there’s an entire network of low wage worker trafficking done within our borders for farming, food processing and construction jobs that promise and sell tax identification numbers and fraudulent social security numbers to immigrants.

Do they have an ETF?

2 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

So you think stolen socials, aka identity theft and fraud, are exclusively illegal immigrants? 😆

Pedro had to hike 1000 miles with his family from South America to enter the country illegally, but also has the skills to hack identifications. 😂

Here’s a clue for you… there’s an entire network of low wage worker trafficking done within our borders for farming, food processing and construction jobs that promise and sell tax identification numbers and fraudulent social security numbers to immigrants.

First part I never said. That’s you assuming. 
 

second part makes no sense. 
 

third part we agree on and explains how, Pedro(tad racist there), obtains the social security number you dipsheet. 

6 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

First part I never said. That’s you assuming. 
 

second part makes no sense. 
 

third part we agree on and explains how, Pedro(tad racist there), obtains the social security number you dipsheet. 

Well that’s my whole point dipsheet!!!

Punish the people hiring them. If no one is providing them fake info and cash jobs they will come here legally or not at all.

7 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

Well that’s my whole point dipsheet!!!

Punish the people hiring them. If no one is providing them fake info and cash jobs they will come here legally or not at all.

It’s not fing Home Depot and Checkers giving them fake IDs and socials. Holy sheet you don’t understand what you’re talking about. You really are a dipsheet. 

On 12/22/2022 at 10:27 AM, TEW said:

Incentives matter. Would they come here if they were immediately deported when found instead of finding home in "sanctuary cities?” If they would be homeless because sheltering them would be illegal instead of a tax funded affair?

How about if they had to do hard labor for a few years before deportation? If they were forbidden from getting drivers licenses? Or using banks? Or getting medical treatment?

We all know the left wants them to come here and stay here.

Why even pretend otherwise. You know it, I know it, we all know it. Stop with the stupid games.

If there was a bill that would throw every business owner in jail who hired illegals, but would also deport every illegal in the country, the democrats would vote unanimously against it.

The United States of America was founded by immigrants, we’re a melting pot of other nations for people looking to be free and have opportunity. There’s this whole big statue on the east coast standing as a symbol of welcome to immigrants. This isn’t a new thing for the US, dreamt up by Democrats to get more votes. 
 

Our pathway to citizenship is a mess and there’s no INCENTIVE for immigrants to navigate it. They can get a 3 year work visa for next to nothing, live legally for three years then work as a 1099 independent contractor for cash for several more years until they save enough money to go back home and live like a king/queen. There’s no enforcement on I-9’s, no taxes, no social security, no Medicaid… just cash.

Why would they spend $5,000-$8,000 to become a citizen?

You can’t make it nearly impossible to become a citizen, extremely easy to work the system illegally with no enforcement on the few laws in place then arrest and deport everyone who does exactly what the system incentivizes them to do?

Why pay for thousands of new government workers to go around arresting and deporting illegal immigrants when we can fix the system and cut off the hands feeding work to them illegally? That’s just poor management.

On 12/24/2022 at 5:41 AM, 20dawk4life said:

It’s not fing Home Depot and Checkers giving them fake IDs and socials. Holy sheet you don’t understand what you’re talking about. You really are a dipsheet. 

I say food processing and construction industry and you think Home Depot and Checkers…. Does your mom know you’re posting here?… 😂

2 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

The United States of America was founded by immigrants, we’re a melting pot of other nations for people looking to be free and have opportunity. There’s this whole big statue on the east coast standing as a symbol of welcome to immigrants. This isn’t a new thing for the US, dreamt up by Democrats to get more votes. 
 

Our pathway to citizenship is a mess and there’s no INCENTIVE for immigrants to navigate it. They can get a 3 year work visa for next to nothing, live legally for three years then work as a 1099 independent contractor for cash for several more years until they save enough money to go back home and live like a king/queen. There’s no enforcement on I-9’s, no taxes, no social security, no Medicaid… just cash.

Why would they spend $5,000-$8,000 to become a citizen?

You can’t make it nearly impossible to become a citizen, extremely easy to work the system illegally with no enforcement on the few laws in place then arrest and deport everyone who does exactly what the system incentivizes them to do?

Why pay for thousands of new government workers to go around arresting and deporting illegal immigrants when we can fix the system and cut off the hands feeding work to them illegally? That’s just poor management.

The big Statue in NY has nothing to do with immigration. It was designed to strengthen the relationship between France and the US as international partners since, at the time, these were the only major powers that were not monarchies.

The words about giving us tired masses were added two decades later and were written by a socialist nut job. They have nothing to do with historic American immigration policy.

As usual, the left was using something that better people than themselves made and wore it as a skin suit for their own propaganda purposes.

Why would someone spend $8K to become a citizen? Supposedly because they value American citizenship above simple economic parasitic purposes. And if not, why should we allow them to be here in the first place?

I think the Melting Pot analogy is mostly b.s.  

Not because the U.S. isn’t a country of immigrants.  It is.  Because the U.S. doesn’t really have a record of being hospitable to immigrants.  I think movies like Gangs of New York (Irish vs. nativists) tend to overdo it, but the Know-Nothing party was essentially a nativist political party that formed in the 1850s.  And right around the time the Statue of Liberty arrived in NY Harbor Congress was severely restricting immigration in the 1890 immigration bill.

43 minutes ago, TEW said:

The big Statue in NY has nothing to do with immigration. It was designed to strengthen the relationship between France and the US as international partners since, at the time, these were the only major powers that were not monarchies.

The words about giving us tired masses were added two decades later and were written by a socialist nut job. They have nothing to do with historic American immigration policy.

As usual, the left was using something that better people than themselves made and wore it as a skin suit for their own propaganda purposes.

Why would someone spend $8K to become a citizen? Supposedly because they value American citizenship above simple economic parasitic purposes. And if not, why should we allow them to be here in the first place?

Maybe it wasn’t the original purpose, but whether you like it or not, or whether you think some liberal nut job is to blame… it became a symbol to immigrants due to its proximity to Ellis Island.

Would you fork out an extra $8k on principle just to pay state and federal taxes, ss and Medicaid if you didn’t have to? It’s too easy not to, which is my point.

45 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I think the Melting Pot analogy is mostly b.s.  

Not because the U.S. isn’t a country of immigrants.  It is.  Because the U.S. doesn’t really have a record of being hospitable to immigrants.  I think movies like Gangs of New York (Irish vs. nativists) tend to overdo it, but the Know-Nothing party was essentially a nativist political party that formed in the 1850s.  And right around the time the Statue of Liberty arrived in NY Harbor Congress was severely restricting immigration in the 1890 immigration bill.

Existing citizens haven’t always been welcoming to new immigrants, but for the most part government policy has been. Not always pleasantly and often for cheap labor. There’s always been nationalist factions who want to "build a wall” or close the door to immigrants.

1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

Maybe it wasn’t the original purpose, but whether you like it or not, or whether you think some liberal nut job is to blame… it became a symbol to immigrants due to its proximity to Ellis Island.

Would you fork out an extra $8k on principle just to pay state and federal taxes, ss and Medicaid if you didn’t have to? It’s too easy not to, which is my point.

OK, so they’re criminals and should face harsh punishment with intense enforcement so it’s not easy. Glad you see it my way.

1 hour ago, MidMoFo said:

Existing citizens haven’t always been welcoming to new immigrants, but for the most part government policy has been. Not always pleasantly and often for cheap labor. There’s always been nationalist factions who want to "build a wall” or close the door to immigrants.

No, the government has not for the most part been welcoming to new immigrants. For most of our history we were not. American immigration policy did not begin in 1965.

4 hours ago, MidMoFo said:

I say food processing and construction industry and you think Home Depot and Checkers…. Does your mom know you’re posting here?… 😂

That’s just a few places I know hire illegals not a correlation with your pathetic attempt to make a point that you can’t. 

17 hours ago, TEW said:

No, the government has not for the most part been welcoming to new immigrants. For most of our history we were not. American immigration policy did not begin in 1965.

Hmm… my family ancestors migrated to the US mostly between 1840-1860. When did yours?

17 hours ago, TEW said:

OK, so they’re criminals and should face harsh punishment with intense enforcement so it’s not easy. Glad you see it my way.

Yes, they are criminals. Navigating the system exactly how it’s set up for them to do…

It’s easy to get a work visa. It’s easy to over stay that work visa and find work for cash. It’s administratively difficult and expensive to gain citizenship.

Why are you surprised so many take the easiest route? Especially if they don’t plan to stay forever?

Interesting discussion I stumbled into here.  The US is not alone in immigration issues; the vast majority of sovereign nations are not and have not been hospitable to immigrants.  

I think the immigration debate needs to follow and complement social welfare.  Do you want high taxes, free university, socialized and universal healthcare, food stamps for lobster dinners, complete food security, etc?  No country can afford to finance that with an open door immigration policy.  

Do you want low taxes, more of a ruthless capitalist government, private education, private healthcare, don't mind looking the other way at poverty...then you should favor a more lenient immigration policy in a country that presently has a labor shortage.  

The irony is that the vast majority of rank and file partisan politicians want it both ways.